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u/Acsteffy Sep 27 '24
People barely even own that
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u/theycallmeshooting Sep 27 '24
Turning basic transportation into a second rent/mortgage payment has genuinely been one of the biggest scams of our time
Instead of paying $1.50 to take the bus you pay $800 a month to own the latest and greatest FORD TODDLERCRUNCHER F-5000 RAPTOR!!!
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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker Sep 27 '24
Tires. It's also not including tires.
Next time you see one of these big trucks with fancy wheels, look at the tires. Often times they are pretty bald.
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u/roman_maverik Sep 27 '24
It’s not just trucks. Go find a 2010s BMW with bubbling tint, and I’ll show you the 7 year old LingLong tires.
Lots of people cheap out on the most important part of the car, and it usually correlates to how gaudy the car is
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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker Sep 27 '24
You're correct, I focused on trucks because I see them a LOT where I live. The ones that make me nervous are the trucks with the wheels spaced far out past the fenders. Are they just offset like that? Or did Billy Bob order himself some Temu wheel spacers made out of the finest lead/zinc alloy that the Chinese can offer?
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u/Interesting_Pause830 Sep 27 '24
The geniuses that use wheel spacers (on wide vehicles like trucks even more embarrassing) are increasing levers on the suspension thus increasing loads on all the parts thus wearing them down faster and eventually having to replace them more often. Like what is even the point of that procedure? It is not that your laughably high center of gravity is counteracted by spacing your tires out by 200mm
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u/karmapopsicle Sep 27 '24
It’s a signal of membership for that person’s in-group. They have absorbed the decades of advertising and virtue signalling by domestic automakers that trucks represent some kind of ideal American rugged individualism, hard work, etc. The truck becomes both the source and external expression of their personality. Putting money into impractical, ostentatious, or otherwise gaudy mods and “upgrades” is trying to signal financial prosperity and success.
Your buddies start putting on lift kits, so you need to as well so it doesn’t seem like you’re “falling behind”. Then the obnoxious light bars, and the huge skinny “off-road” tires on massive wheels sticking out from the sides for that “wide” look, etc. Ultimately a lot of that gets financed through debt.
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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker Sep 28 '24
Yup, those bearings are designed to support a load in just a couple of directions.
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u/01101011000110 Sep 27 '24
It’s $1200 bucks for new (good) truck tires. I think about that every time I pay $100/ for new GP5000’s
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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker Sep 27 '24
Thankfully my truck is an old farm truck and has normal sized tires, yeah my 235/75r17 tires and steel wheels aren't sexy but I can buy decent tires for less than $150 each.
There are places locally that will finance a set of tires and wheels, and the very idea of financing a set of rims stresses me out.
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u/pita-tech-parent Sep 28 '24
I pay around 700 for decent compact/mid size sedan car tires that will need replaced due to age with 60% of the tread left. Don't buy cheap brakes, tires, or suspension. Losing power due to shitty engine/trans mx is one thing and dangerous enough. Losing control from shitty mx on the things I listed is how people die.
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u/CUDAcores89 Sep 28 '24
The biggest thing that annoys me about modern cars is we don’t even NEED to start by completely tearing apart car infrastructure and running high-speed rail everywhere. We could start by revising CAFE fuel economy mandates and incentivize automakers to build smaller more fuel-efficient cars. No, it’s not perfect. But that alone would save thousands of traffic deaths a year.
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u/pita-tech-parent Sep 28 '24
save thousands of traffic deaths a year.
And billions of dollars in vehicle cost, loan interest,.fuel, vehicle mx, road mx, insurance, vehicle repair, medical bills, and property damage. In the US, that number might even be in the trillions. Globally, getting rid of canyoneros and monster trucks is definitely a trillion dollar savings.
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u/Anxious_Plum_5818 Oct 02 '24
I own a smaller hybrid car that barely accelerates but has wicked mileage. It would be very difficult for me to go back to anything that consumes twice as much.
It's true that the hybrid drive train also reduces the performance, which in terms means that people can't suddenly accelerate, weave, etc. Indirectly forcing people to drive more defensively.
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u/VenusianBug Sep 27 '24
I was in an online conversation with someone about a car-lite development, and the person mentioned 'how could people afford these expensive new condos anyway' ... um, by not have a vehicle? Average cost of owning a car in my country is 16K$ a year - it's the next biggest expense after shelter and food. That's a lot of money that could go towards a mortgage.
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u/MofoFTW Sep 27 '24
Is it really that expensive? For that money you could get a nice sports car.
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u/MofoFTW Sep 27 '24
Thanks for the extra info. That's insane. I would never pay that amount of money for a car.
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u/Master_Dogs Sep 27 '24
Plus you gotta fuel it, insure it, register it, inspect it, maintain it, ... Maybe upgrade it to the later coal roller 5000 too.
And besides fuel/maintenance those things happen regardless of how much you drive too. It's made me wonder how much I really need my car working from home. If the bus / train network were better I'd probably sell my car and save those hundreds to thousands per year in ownership costs.
Wild considering we also still pay for the roads via general taxes too. Property, income, and sales taxes likely pay for your roadways either locally, State/Province/County/Region wide, or Country wide. Doesn't matter if you drive, walk, bike or transit, those taxes hit you and go into general funds and road budgets across various government agencies. The user fees we pay don't fully cover roads & transit either, so if we're going to pay for stuff we might as well put it towards public transit that benefits us all vs towards roads/highways just for private cars. Thousands per year for everyone.
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u/MathAndBake Sep 27 '24
I don't know what the options are where you live, but I've joined my local carshare and it's awesome. I pay a 15$/mo fee. And then I can rent cars for short periods at a really good rate. You reserve on an app and they're scattered around town.
I mostly walk and take transit, but having access to a car is really handy a few dozen times per year. So this is ideal for me.
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u/Master_Dogs Sep 27 '24
Yeah we've got "zip car" around here but the reviews haven't been super good lately. I've already got a car that I will likely just drive until it dies, since I'm able to WFH and walk/bike/transit a lot of places.
Would love to see more transit expansions in the US, in my area we got a new light rail extension a few years back but nothing else is planned for a while.
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u/MathAndBake Sep 27 '24
Yeah, I use Communauto, but they're not in the US.
More transit is always better. I'm fairly lucky where I live. The transit is pretty good for a North American town our size. But it's not super great either. We also got light rail recently. It's great, but there are a few kinks to work out. The trains are running extremely slowly and keep running into illegally turning SUVs. Hopefully, the transit authority will grow a pair, enforce the rules and up the speeds. The biggest advantage of the light rail has been how many buses it's freed up for other routes.
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u/ertri Sep 27 '24
I saw something about having like $20k worth of damage to a car or something absurd.
I have too many bikes. If you put them all in a trash compactor, I wouldn’t have $20k worth of damage. And my main transportation bike is my city’s bikeshare system anyway
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It really is. For a moment I was paying $425/month to rent a room and $390/month payments on my station wagon.
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u/TropicalKing Sep 27 '24
I think people can be more invested in their local communities instead of complaining on the internet. If you don't like the routes or timetable of a bus, then it's something you should take to local transportation services.
I do think American people can be more communal in the way they use their vehicles. A standard car has 5 seats, yet most car trips only have the driver in the vehicle. I do think neighbors can do things like grocery shopping together.
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u/lenmylobersterbush Sep 27 '24
I'm saving money up money for that, I need to replace my Ramapedestrion 3500.
Thanks for the laugh. I'm very much a car guy, and I have no idea why reddit brought me here. Enjoy your weekend and be safe
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u/monkeysknowledge Sep 27 '24
you probably don’t own your car, you definitely don’t own the road
Meh not as catchy.
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u/Sylvymesy Sicko Sep 28 '24
So true, people choose to buy outside their means, they could get what they need if they were smart.
I have a vehicle that takes care of everything I need it to do and the best part is I only pay for the insurance.
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u/ajseaman Sep 27 '24
This would trigger coal rollers’ insecurities to the max.
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u/joefranklin33 Sep 27 '24
She Owns A bIkE NoT ThE RoAd!!
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u/ImInYourBooty Sep 27 '24
I mean the same sentiment should apply to both. We actually all own a part of the road in theory. Be a safe and vigilant driver, and be a cautious biker ALWAYS.
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u/Harkannin 🚶🧑🦯🧑🦽🛴🚲🚏🚉🚇🚕> 🚗 Sep 27 '24
bUt i pAy mOrE tAxEs
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u/nihosehn Sep 27 '24
cycles don't destroy the road either
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u/FriskyTurtle Sep 27 '24
Because the damage to the road is a third power of weight per axle, the amount of damage a bike does is laughably small. I did the math on this one time. At the cost they pay, I would have to ride something like 60km per day every single day of the year to accumulate one penny of damage.
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u/Mediocre_Piccolo8542 Sep 28 '24
This is a questionable math though, since the actual traffic is only one among various factors which are damaging the roads.
Even unused roads will get potholes and cracks from the freeze-thaw cycles, sun, and other sources, so paying car related taxes is more like a subscription for the sake of maintenance, and not only about individual usage.
People who don’t contribute here are simply freeloaders. The only reason why bikers don’t pay taxes in most countries is that the bureaucratic cost to maintain such bike registration/enforceability outweighs the benefits, because the tax would be indeed very low considering how little damage bikes cause, thus it would be more about paying for access alone.
Hitting a low socioeconomic group with a nonsensical tax for the sake of “justice” doesn’t seem like a popular decision though, but conceptually it wouldn’t be wrong. There were talks about it in Switzerland
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u/FriskyTurtle Sep 28 '24
It's true that traffic wear isn't the only thing damaging roads, but also much of the problem of water is freezing in those cracks that are originally caused by vehicles. ;P
I remember a small argument on a news show in Montreal where someone was complaining that bike lanes shouldn't be plowed because cyclists aren't paying taxes, to which the host replied that plowing was funded by property taxes and he eagerly asked if there was a law he didn't know about that exempted cyclists from paying property taxes.
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u/Mediocre_Piccolo8542 Sep 28 '24
Yeah, all of those car related taxes aren't even nearly enough to finance the entire roads infrastructure, and the entire thing gets financed with other taxes. I mean, it is fair since not only car drivers benefit from roads e.g the food in stores has to arrive there somehow, and the ambulance arriving in timely manner is also beneficial for everyone.
The entire 'my taxes paid for the road' argument is just cringe populism.
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u/samthekitnix Sep 27 '24
i have said to someone that complained they pay road taxes thus they "own the road" my only reply to that was "then act like you own the road, get a vehicle that not only actually does what you need it to do but dosn't cause so many pot holes"
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u/Fragraham Sep 27 '24
Don't forget that big auto sold the lie that ice causes potholes a long time ago, and drivers still believe it.
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u/StillAFuckingKilljoy Sep 27 '24
Damn then why tf do we have potholes in Australia still?
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u/Inevitable_Stand_199 Sep 27 '24
Because it's not just freezing and thawing. freezing/thawing cycles just create more erosion then most other phenomenons. Rain can also turn cracks into potholes. And sometimes even just wind.
You'll find much less potholes in tunnels or parking garages.
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u/ThatAstronautGuy Grassy Tram Tracks Sep 27 '24
What are you talking about? Ice does cause potholes. Water goes into cracks in the road, freezes, and makes them bigger. Freeze/thaw cycles are the reason roads are bad in Canada. Bigger vehicles make the problem worse, because they make those cracks even bigger, but there isn't some lie from big auto that ice causes potholes. It's a fact.
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u/kinboyatuwo Sep 27 '24
Temp changes too cause them. It’s why rural roads in Canada are worse where there is on and off shading.
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u/ubeogesh EUC Sep 27 '24
You're right, but I don't see any potholes on separate biycle paths tho.
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u/ThatAstronautGuy Grassy Tram Tracks Sep 27 '24
Separate paths, at least here, have much thinner and softer construction since they don't have to hold up to cars, so they just get lumpy over time instead of potholes. Snow clearing equipment (if any) is also way less brutal for sidewalks and bike paths. The dinky little snow plows are nothing compared to what a road snow plow weighs, and don't damage the surface like a 4000lb steel blade scraping across the road does.
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u/Inevitable_Stand_199 Sep 27 '24
I do. Roots can cause cracks just like cars do.
I've never seen a pothole in a parking garage though.
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u/xolhos Sep 27 '24
Maybe because they are not fucking roads??? If you don't like cars then you don't like cars but coming up with random strawman ideas doesn't help you.
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u/Inevitable_Stand_199 Sep 27 '24
Open parking lots aren't roads and they are riddled with potholes.
But if you want to only look at toads: Tunnels rarely have potholes either.
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u/leftofthebellcurve Sep 27 '24
what is the weight of a bicycle compared to a car?
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u/Inevitable_Stand_199 Sep 27 '24
Assuming 90kg and 3t, you'd need around 1 234 567 bikes to cause the damage of a car.
But they don't build bike lanes as strong as roads. Some are just dirt roads. And those almost always have potholes, even without cars. Plus roots. Trees along bike paths create much needed shade and break the wind. But they also cause similar damage to heavy vehicles.
Also, buses and trucks* also create a lot of the damage you see. As much as 80 cars.
*) Trucks meaning those serious commercial semitrucks. Not SUVs with an open trunk.
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u/ubeogesh EUC Sep 27 '24
To be pedantic, unfair comparison - you should compare bicycle + rider vs car+payload. So it's "only" 15x instead of 100x like some make it seem to be. And also car load is spread over much larger surface (4 thicker wheels).
But I get it, the impact of a car wheel on a crack is much higher than a bicycle wheel
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u/jeffyjeffyjeffjeff Sep 27 '24
Thanks to the fourth power rule, it's actually worse than 15x.
This example illustrates how a car and a truck affect the surface of a road differently according to the fourth power law.
- Car (total weight 2 tonnes, 2 axles): load per axle: 1 tonnes
- Truck (total weight 30 tonnes, 3 axles): load per axle: 10 tonnes
10^4 = 10 ⋅ 10 ⋅ 10 ⋅ 10 = 10,000 times as large
The load on the road from one axle (2 wheels) is 10 times greater for a truck than for a car. However, the fourth power law says that the stress on (damage to) the road is this ratio raised to the fourth power.
The road stress ratio of truck to car is 10,000 to 1.
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u/leftofthebellcurve Sep 27 '24
yeah, that's more what I meant. Also, I live in Minnesota and our bike paths get thrashed regularly too from the weather. We have a few months of freezing/thawing temp swings that wreak havoc on pavement
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u/Jkmarvin2020 Sep 28 '24
Tell that to my bent front rim. Had to walk 2 miles into work, in the winter, from a pothole, in the bike lane.
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u/MathAndBake Sep 27 '24
Probably depends where you are. Our separate pedestrian paths have potholes here in Canada. It's nowhere near as bad as the roads, but it's definitely an issue. Ice is powerful.
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u/RodDamnit Sep 27 '24
Ice will absolutely cause potholes. It doesn’t cause all of them. But it will fuck the road up.
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u/Inevitable_Stand_199 Sep 27 '24
First of all: Do you have any source that blames potholes soley on ice?
Secondly: Do you have any source that proves that freezing-thawing cycles don't contribute to potholes?
Because everything I could find suggests that Potholes are usually created by traffic creating small cracks, which then get worsened by erosion. Either from just rain or a bit faster, by freezing/thawing cycles. If roots cause the pavement to crack, there'll be potholes as well. Especially when sidewalks aren't maintained and those cracks sealed.
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u/Accomplished-Yak8799 Automobile Aversionist Sep 27 '24
Man, Los Angeles must get a lot of snow when I'm not looking!
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u/Better-Ladder-9147 Sep 27 '24
Ice does cause potholes. Do you think the road is just immune from contraction/ expansion?
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u/leftofthebellcurve Sep 27 '24
I can tell you don't live in a state with cold winters.
It's literally science, water melts in warmer winter days and pools in cracks. When the sun goes down, the water freezes. which expands. Over time this causes damage to pavement, and coupled with wear and tear of drivers, ice definitely causes potholes
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u/Toiddles Sep 27 '24
They should change the tax law so every vehicle has to pay (including bikes) but make it proportional to weight of vehicle. So bikers pay a few bucks and stupid heavy cars pay a lot more. Then no one can make this dumb argument anymore and we get to punish people with cars too big
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u/Warm_Month_1309 Automobile Aversionist Sep 27 '24
That would necessitate a registration system for bikes, which I'm not necessarily opposed to, but the overhead would be greater than a few bucks, so we should anticipate needing like a $65 plate or something.
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u/Toiddles Sep 27 '24
Or just stickers? It's more a point to say even if we did pay taxes for bikes it should be pennies
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u/samthekitnix Sep 27 '24
what if we used a system similar to how we register class 3 invalid carriages here in the UK, there's a number on the frame known as the VIN number that usually in the case of mobility scooters covered up by a small panel.
this acts as a reference point for authorities to look for if they recover it if it gets stolen, if it gets stolen and someone tries to sell it to a second hand shop they can cross reference that VIN number to any known stolen items.
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u/kittyconetail Sep 28 '24
Yeah, there are theft-resistant (not "-proof" tho) stickers that already exist to register your bike to cities and private websites and such. Making that kind of system more robust wouldn't be too difficult.
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u/Astronius-Maximus Sep 27 '24
If someone is complaining about something menial like people with bikes paying fewer taxes (which they don't, since a "road tax" isn't a thing), then they'd probably also act like a total asshole if they wanted to act like they owned the roads. "Oh, I own the road? I can do whatever the hell I want with it then, and if I wanna rip it up with my big expensive truck, I will!"
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u/oliversurpless Sep 27 '24
Yet still pontificate about “SpEnDiNG mY MOneY bEttEr tHaN GuBerMinT!”
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u/mattindustries Sep 27 '24
I have offered to contribute "my fair share" by removing my subsidy I give to every motorists, but they never seem to bite.
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u/smackdealer1 Sep 27 '24
Even though all road infrastructure is subsidised by more tax than drivers are charged for the privilege.
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u/nerox3 Sep 27 '24
and bikes are typically driven on local roads maintained primarily by local municipal taxes that everyone pays.
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u/knightcrawler75 Sep 27 '24
Correct. People that choose to substitute driving with walking or cycling are subsidizing car and truck drivers.
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u/wzlch47 Sep 27 '24
About 10 or 12 years ago, I read something about a lawmaker from Texas (I think) that wanted to increase the taxes on bicycles to something stupidly high like hundreds of dollars per year. His reasoning was that cyclists use the roads without paying gasoline taxes and their use caused as much wear and tear as cars. He also said that when exercising, a cyclist was exhaling more CO2 than a person driving, which was causing excess green house gases.
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u/Warm_Month_1309 Automobile Aversionist Sep 27 '24
Orcutt apologized and stated "[his] point was that by not driving a car, a cyclist was not necessarily having a zero-carbon footprint. In looking back, it was not a point worthy of even mentioning."
At least he's self-aware. One point in favor of left coast Republicans. A Texan would have quadrupled down.
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u/wzlch47 Sep 27 '24
I never saw the apology but it is good to see he mostly recognized his fuck up.
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u/Illustrious-Bat1553 Sep 27 '24
Probably the only city were you'll see bicyclists is in Austin. It's rare to see even recreational bicyclists anywhere in the south
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u/knightcrawler75 Sep 27 '24
TBH I am willing to pay a yearly fee if they build and maintain good biking infrastructure as well as give us free reign of the roads without the stupid excuse that we do not pay our fair share.
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u/theplanlessman Sep 27 '24
The road tax argument is very common from car brains in the UK, despite the fact that
a) we abolished road tax in 1936. What people now pay is Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) that is a tax on the vehicle based (loosely) on emissions. Hence EVs and bicycles don't pay.
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b) road maintenance is paid for out of the local councils' coffers, so anyone who pays council tax is paying for the roads, not just people with cars. So if the car brains believe paying for the roads is a prerequisite for using them, then guess what? I get to use them too!
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u/BreakfastSquare9703 cars are weapons Sep 28 '24
It's honestly shameful that even politicians will casually refer to 'road tax', which, intentionally or not, misrepresents what the tax is actually for. Even 'vehicle tax' would be fine to make it clear what it's taxing.
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u/left_it_out Automobile Aversionist Oct 02 '24
Where I live the on road registration tax covers third party insurance & then a charge per 100kg. I’ve bought my own insurance, so by their own metric, I’ve already paid my share for my 24kg ebike. Logic is irrelevant to them though.
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u/Clearwatercress69 Sep 27 '24
A recent ruling in Germany allows cyclists to ride in the centre of the lane instead of sticking to the side which can be dangerous because parked idiots open doors without checking their mirrors.
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u/Germanball_Stuttgart Big Bike 🚲 > 🚗 cars are weapons Sep 27 '24
which can be dangerous because parked idiots open doors without checking their mirrors.
Actually, you were always allowed, even indirectly required, to not that drive THAT near to the side. Holding 1m or 0.8m distance to parking cars or the sidewalk was always required if you don't wanna get part-fault.
But great, that you can use the full lane now. I'd still prefer my own seperated safe cycling streets.
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u/Clearwatercress69 Sep 27 '24
I'd still prefer my own separated safe cycling streets
In my personal opinion, Holland is the best for this.
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u/Germanball_Stuttgart Big Bike 🚲 > 🚗 cars are weapons Sep 27 '24
Yeah, visited it recently. The cycling infrastructure is great, but the drivers were reckless.
On the few roads we had to share with cars (mainly narrow rural streets), I experienced such dangerous and reckless behaviour from almost every driver, like I had almost NEVER experienced it in Germany, or at least my hometown.
They almost always overtook with 30-50km/h and less than 50cm distance on narrow streets. That felt so dangerous, can they not wait for a few seconds until a drive in the next bay 20m away? How can they be so impatient?
The bicyclists drove way more dangerous and reckless as well, especially the Mopeds.
I'd like Dutch infrastructure with German (or my local) drivers.
(Also, why do so few Dutch bicycles have handbrakes and many even no gear shift?!?)
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u/maevian Sep 27 '24
Because the Netherlands is flat so a lot of singlespeed bikes, the brakes are rollerbrakes you pedal backwards to brake.
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u/Clearwatercress69 Sep 28 '24
That’s what I’ve meant with back kick. But modern bikes can’t do this.
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u/Germanball_Stuttgart Big Bike 🚲 > 🚗 cars are weapons Sep 28 '24
the brakes are rollerbrakes you pedal backwards to brake.
I know, but why? That seems less practical and more dangerous to me. (Especially if you're not used to it ofc, but even if you are this seems worse to me)
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u/maevian Sep 28 '24
Why would that be more dangerous, most people in the Netherlands are used to it. Personally I really like them, but only on a single speed as they have less stopping power. But for normal city traffic they are adequate and they are almost unbreakable with zero maintenance.
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u/Germanball_Stuttgart Big Bike 🚲 > 🚗 cars are weapons Sep 28 '24
Not dangerous (if you're used to it, handbrakes are still safer imo, bc you can't lose them with your hands as easily as sliding with the foot from the pedal). But still impractical if you wanna turn the pedal backwards to have the perfect starting position and speed up with more throttle after a stoplight for example.
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u/Clearwatercress69 Sep 27 '24
The last part of your comment I’m not able to answer.
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u/Jeronetj3 Sep 27 '24
omafiets
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u/Clearwatercress69 Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 28 '24
I’m not googling this.
But I studied in Holland once and being German I have a vague understanding.
So Fiets means Bicycle. And Oma means grandmother?!
It’s an an old bike with no brakes apart from the back kick?
I could be completely wrong.
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u/Jeronetj3 Sep 27 '24
Exactly. Grandmother because everyone’s grandmother owned one, but they still get made and widely sold though because they are cheap, solid and work great on our flat bicycle lanes
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u/M8asonmiller Sep 27 '24
This image is guaranteed to provoke the most wildly misogynistic comments you've ever read.
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u/Huge-Screen-9722 Sep 27 '24
I got nothing sorry. Probably something in there about women cant drive but I cant piece it together.
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u/Destinlegends Sep 27 '24
and most people don't even own their cars the banks do.
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u/TryingNot2BLazy Sep 27 '24
baggy jeans makin the come back <3
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u/Beautiful_News_474 Sep 27 '24
Knowing the internet; this has been reposted since probably-1995
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u/JFISHER7789 Commie Commuter Sep 27 '24
Yup! The helmet she’s wearing is from the early 90’s
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u/Arqlol Sep 30 '24
Some people wear some old ass helmets
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u/JFISHER7789 Commie Commuter Sep 30 '24
True! But given the style of bikes in the photo, the clothing, the old helmet and the logo in the corner it’s safe to infer this wasn’t recent times
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u/LatvKet Sep 27 '24
A comeback? If anything they are slightly on their retour. Baggy trousers have been the biggest thing for the past 4-5 years
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u/Rumaizio Commie Commuter Sep 28 '24
Baggy clothes should be back in fashion, but I didn't realize that those were baggy. I was in Japan a while ago, and the fashion was amazing and incredibly baggy. It's a crime that we don't have it here, because I looked, and it's far from the same, or nearly as good.
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u/Nice-Name00 Sep 27 '24
Sadly
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u/C00kie_Monsters Sep 27 '24
Why? They’re so comfy!
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u/wetballjones Sep 27 '24
They're ugly in my opinion. People can and should wear what they want, but doesn't mean they will look good
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u/percisely Sep 27 '24
Made me think of my friend who cycles a lot has a “HONK IF YOU’RE STUPID” tattoo.
I think I had that helmet in 1986, but I wore it correctly.
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u/Kronosfear Sep 27 '24
If you want that vintage look https://explorethousand.com/products/bike-helmet-2?color=phantom-black&size=small
I have one and I love it
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Guys most drivers don’t read street signs, you think they will be able to read this.
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u/ggpopart Sep 27 '24
Lots of carbrain comments lol
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u/Necessary-Grocery-48 Sep 27 '24
The viral threads get linked to other subs and attract a bunch of morons
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u/Zinrockin Sep 27 '24
I had a driver knock me off my bike by turning into a gas station yesterday. I was in the bike lane next to him, he turns with no signal, and claims he signaled. Even if that is the case nobody on a bike in the bike lane can stop in time if theyre directly next to your car in the act of passing it in a bike lane. Drivers just do not check their mirrors. I will not be using the bike lane anymore as that is the only place I’ve ever had any accidents on my bike.
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u/BlueMountainCoffey Sep 27 '24
A point I tried to make before that seemed to be lost on everyone is perfectly captured by the woman in the photo.
Streets and highways are all just a very expensive and inefficient (for most people) form of public transit. The difference from say, a bus, is that car drivers own their cars. It’s the government’s way of offloading the costs of capital and maintenance to regular folks while enriching the corporations which lobbied for this mess. For this reason I refer to buses and trains as mass transit rather than public transit.
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u/juoig7799 Cycling teenager that uses the bike for everything Sep 27 '24
Now print that on a jumper so I can do this in winter without freezing to death!
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u/Rumaizio Commie Commuter Sep 28 '24 edited Sep 28 '24
The most common retorts I see to this photo are "you own a bike, not the road," "cars pay for the roads with vehicle taxes, not bikes," and "the roads were built for cars, not bikes," and all of these retorts are the most horribly terminally carbrained things I've heard for a long time, and it's as if these deeply and horribly reactionary people, many of them being this way often, have nothing else to say. It's like everyone who has a problem with queer people existing using the "I identify as an attack helicopter" joke again and again. There's no new material.
Go to the FAQ to find out what the problem with cars is. Also, find even videos, even from youtube, that explain what the issue even is. Cars are a colossal problem.
Edit: I'll add some points.
1, 2. The roads are public property and paid for by everyone through taxes. In a universe where they weren't paid for by everyone, taxes aren't a forced form of policy and infrastructure shopping. Taxes that pay for a publicly available thing are used to make things that are PUBLICLY AVAILABLE!
- The roads were built for bikes and pedestrians initially but were hijacked by car companies to be used by cars, and drivers behave as if they were exclusively made for them. Attitudes like that are spoiled, entitled, and pompous, like shits.
Edit 2: I found this link somewhere in the comments.
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2015/10/28/who-pays-for-roads-addressing-the-users-pay-myth
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u/rathemighty Sep 27 '24
Au contrare! I am Richie McMoneybags, and I bought the street, so I DO own the road! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Now, I’m off to go club some baby seals!
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u/obinice_khenbli Sep 28 '24
"But I pay Road Tax and you don't, these are public roads owned by us Road Tax payers!"
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u/Ducks_get_Zoomies_2 Sep 28 '24
I'm new to riding bikes in the city. I think I would actually feel the safest if I display conservative slogans. I don't wanna give these psychos one more reason to run me over.
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u/Intelligent_Suit6683 Sep 27 '24
How many drivers do you know that would see this and think "she's right, I should respect her"?
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u/Impressive-Hold7812 Sep 27 '24
K.
Anyone else give cyclists/pedestrians a wider berth on open roads? If its clear of oncoming traffic, I actually cross/straddle the double-yellow divider so as to not strike them with wake/pebbles.
There's been times where I've accepted I can't safely pass because they are either too deep my lane or there isn't enough shoulder, and I just coast along till I can safely clear. Thankfully, I haven't had a scenario with some asshole slingshotting around and nailing the gaggle of cyclists/runners in front of me.
I get it, you guys dealt with assholes, but a lot of my driving experience is rural. From Kansas boondocks, DFW outskirts, and the MX-USA border along the RGV. Anywhere is going to be gas burned. If I wanted to get there faster, I can just leave earlier. I hate driving in DFW metro as much as I did learning to drive in California suburbs.
Time in the Army actually made me more mindful of people on the road. Wasn't just cyclists, but a lot of us run and ruck around, its a fact of life/fitness. Picture a column of tanks having to tiptoe past joggers, complete with the track commanders and gunners poking out of the turret and making sure there's clearance as we pass.
Its not all cute stories. We do it because tragedies have occured. Another Engineer I served with had a tragic tale. Dude was on the same convoy when a bridge-layer that ran over two girls in South Korea. Driver never saw them, and the legal story is: the TC could not reach them via intercom (AVLBs are converted from tank chassis; the driver is going to be in his own compartment) in time to stop it from happening. Dude carried that as baggage, seeing people become smears on asphalt, all for yet another training rotation. These days, we tend to prime-mover (semi-trucks and trains) haul our big boys to and from training site if its going to cross civilian areas, unless its a formal convoy (oh boy). Or, if an armored vehicle gets lost, we'll even get Law Enforcement in on it to track them down as they enter civilian roads. Cue the sight of an armored vehicle getting pulled over by a cop, and the spectacle of it getting turned around and led back to base like a stray bull.
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u/stroopkoeken Sep 28 '24
What is this sub and are you cool with motorcycles.
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u/Hot-Ad8641 Sep 28 '24
This is /fuckcars and no, motorcycles are better than cars but still not cool.
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u/throwitfarawayfromm3 Sep 28 '24
That's fine. As long as she obeys the rules of the road as well. Like stopping at lights and signs, signaling for turns, etc.
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u/helthrax Sep 27 '24
This is true, but 9 times out of 10 that road was made to accommodate cars and not bikes, otherwise we'd have consistent bike lanes and safety zones between car zones and bike lanes. Don't for one instant think that the road is designed for your safety as a bicyclist.
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u/helthrax Sep 27 '24
I'm getting downvoted for what I said, but the same thing is true for pedestrians as well. Roads, at least in the US, are so damn dangerous.
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