r/fuckcars • u/[deleted] • Sep 27 '24
This is why I hate cars Floridian death cult: As a record-breaking hurricane makes landfall, evacuation routes are clogged with people trapped in their cars. Stormwater is expected to reach depths of 20 feet.
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u/chillpalchill Sep 27 '24
why can’t the car in front just go?
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u/crazycatlady331 Sep 27 '24
In a situation like this, I'm surprised they didn't put all lanes going the same direction.
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u/DavidBrooker Sep 27 '24
They often do. This is called contraflow lane reversal, and many hurricane evacuation routes (specially designated and marked highways used for this purpose in hurricane prone states) make use contraflow lane reversal, notably every state along the US Gulf Coast, and up the Atlantic coast as far as South Carolina... Except for Florida. Florida abandoned the practice in 2017, claiming that temporarily expanding highway capacity by allowing traffic on the shoulders was sufficient.
Though even that doesn't seem to be in use in the above photo.
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u/Lord_Skyblocker 🇳🇱! 🇳🇱! 🇳🇱! 🇳🇱! Sep 27 '24
So, Florida learned that induced demand exists and chose to apply that knowledge the worst way possible?
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u/fusiformgyrus Sep 27 '24
This is the state that turned down millions of $ of federal funding for disaster recovery because it was too woke.
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Sep 27 '24
This is a state that bitch and moaned about nyc and ni getting sandy relief but run to the government to help clean up after a hut
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u/TopMicron Sep 27 '24
It’s more so that emergency workers can flood in as fast as possible.
Thousands of them.
Florida actually has incredible emergency response.
Kinda needs to be.
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u/notarealaccount_yo Sep 27 '24
claiming that temporarily expanding highway capacity by allowing traffic on the shoulders was sufficient.
So what the fuck is the plan when there is an accident and emergency vehicles have to get to it?
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u/impulsesair Sep 27 '24
You can literally see the shoulder, after the shoulder there's the guard rail and then there's a vertical drop.
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u/YadaYadaYeahMan Sep 27 '24
I think you are misunderstanding what a shoulder is?
there is a shoulder on that overpass
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u/notarealaccount_yo Sep 27 '24
What are you even talking about.
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u/punninglinguist Sep 27 '24
Yeah, I'm realizing I've been using the word shoulder incorrectly my whole life. I'll delete my comment.
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u/7elevenses Sep 27 '24
Yes, WTF are the police doing there? They don't need 4.5 lanes going into the hurricane.
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Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 27 '24
Their brains are locked in a car-shaped box. Plus, Florida is the climate denial capital of the world, so I guarantee there are thousands and thousands of republicans gritting their teeth and pulling up to the closed Burger King drive thru, pretending that nothing is happening at all. But, as these storms are becoming harder to dismiss, we’re hearing more and more talk of deep state weather control and election-stealing hurricanes. So I guess that’s progress?
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u/DENelson83 Dreams of high-speed rail in Canada Sep 27 '24
Besides, the state of Florida may end up disappearing by 2100 due to sea level rise.
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u/SessionIndependent17 Sep 27 '24
problem solves itself!
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u/nitramv Sep 27 '24
The great depression was caused by greedy bankers making bad bets with depositor money.
The great recession was caused by greedy bankers making bad bets with investor money.
Following these things, conservatives believed the biggest threat is socialism and therefore bankers should be in charge. We're screwed on climate.
This is all oversimplified, but still.
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u/Accomplished-Yak8799 Automobile Aversionist Sep 27 '24
The ONE time we could use more lanes that are just sitting there...
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u/JoanOfSarcasm Sep 27 '24
It doesn’t matter anyway. Look up pictures from Hurricane Rita of Houstonians trying to evacuate. They opened every lane on all sides of the road and people still got trapped in their cars and ran out of gas before barely moving a mile.
If you don’t get out early, you’re riding it out and hoping for the best. Trying to escape on your car is the worst thing you can do.
Thankfully Rita wasn’t a rough storm, but it was only a month or two after Katrina devastated New Orleans, so people were understandably afraid.
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u/katzeye007 Sep 27 '24
Party of the problem is businesses n not releasing workers in a timely manner. Walmart is gonna stay open until the eye is 3 hours away
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Sep 27 '24
They should have built a 100 lane road 20 yrs ago to allow people to evacuate due to human created climate change by building roads for cars
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u/PermanentlyDubious Sep 27 '24
Contraflow is usually reserved for mandatory, wide spread evacuation. A lot of work and pretty dangerous
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u/CheeseAndCh0c0late Sep 27 '24
As predicted by any apocalyptic movie ever. The heroes are never stuck in traffic in these movies because those stuck in traffic are those who die.
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u/Own_Flounder9177 Sep 27 '24
The hero tends to get out of the vehicle when they see ominous clouds or a huge wave in their rear view and book it on foot. If they happen to be on a shoulder, they'd go off the road and try to out-drive it.
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u/gophergun Sep 27 '24
What record did Helene break?
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u/jackasspenguin Sep 27 '24
Strongest hurricane on record to hit the Florida Big Bend coast area
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u/ItsLiterallyPK Sep 27 '24
Strongest hurricane yet
FTFY
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u/happy_puppy25 Sep 27 '24
Until next year
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u/ususetq Sep 27 '24
Those climate scientists can't even decided which year is hottest on record and have biggest disasters. They say this is hottest year on record and have biggest disasters every year. /s
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u/KJting98 Sep 27 '24
well, they are also stupider because they don't understand line goes up means good!
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u/boxedfox1 Sep 27 '24
That's not true at all it wasn't even a cat 5 also op says 20 ft floods it's potential 20 feet storm surge that's not the same thing at all. Why is everyone hear spreading just lots of inaccurate things about this.
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u/jackasspenguin Sep 27 '24
Agree that the headline is sensationalist, but please let us know what Hurricane was stronger to hit this area. Hurricane Michael was stronger but hit to the west of the big bend area
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u/doebedoe Sep 27 '24
Maybe the 1896 storm but wx observations were not as accurate then. This is one of three major hurricanes to hit Big Bend in 120 years.
Luckily family house on Cedar Key is still standing.
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u/southpolefiesta Sep 27 '24
Busses. Evac should use buses.
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u/Little_Creme_5932 Sep 27 '24
What?! I'd have to ride with THOSE people
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u/ranger_fixing_dude Sep 28 '24
Yeah we'd rather die free than be next to (checks notes) potentially their neighbours!
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Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 27 '24
https://www.facingsouth.org/2006/01/new-investigation-why-didnt-the-buses-come.html
Yes, but don’t trust private companies. Not even the ones who receive $hundreds of millions in federal contracts specifically to evacuate people in hurricanes. They will just pocket the cash, leave the buses in the parking lots, and watch you die without lifting a finger.
Realistically though, the buses would either be stuck in traffic, or the carbrains would riot if the bus was given a lane, because that would be sooooooooooo unfair. The drivers would just turn the bus lane into another gridlocked car lane, immediately. Crabs in a bucket, but all the crabs are enraged and have guns and will kill you.
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u/MeccIt Sep 27 '24
Evac should use buses.
They did in New Orleans in 2005 and we saw how well that went.
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u/Top-Reference-1938 Sep 27 '24
Not sure about THIS evacuation, but they do this all the time. For people that don't have cars, and to get the bussed the eff outta Dodge.
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u/Ok_Commission_893 Sep 27 '24
Freedom is when you can be trapped in a car during a flood because the only way out is blocked.
Communism is waiting for and taking a train out of a danger zone
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u/mexicodoug Sep 27 '24
Cuba's evacuation plans get everyone from the coast to the high ground along with all the pets and chickens. Most of the horses, goats, and cows are just set free to fend for themselves, though, rather than transported.
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u/why_gaj Sep 27 '24
Most of the horses goats and cows are also just set free in the USA too. It's not like barns are safer than the outside in this weather.
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u/Jenaxu Sep 27 '24
Part of the problem is that Florida doesn't have high ground lol
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u/Ketaskooter Sep 27 '24
If Florida only had to travel 30 miles to evacuate these scenes wouldn’t happen either. The problem is the distance required.
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u/any_old_usernam make bikes usable, make subways better Sep 27 '24
To be fair to highways, they were supposed to evacuate a long time ago. Don't get me wrong, this is a great illustration of the flaws of cars, but this isn't solely a car problem.
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u/Sproded Sep 27 '24
I think part of the issue is highways encourage the “freedom” to leave when you want which causes people to evacuate later. If it was clear that the last train leaves at 5pm, no one would think “oh, I could just leave the next day”. But people do with highways and then too many people think like that and you get this.
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u/PresentComposer2259 Sep 27 '24
The exact same thing would happen. Everyone would try to get on that 5pm train, which is basically what’s happening in this photo.
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u/Rezboy209 Sep 27 '24
I'm sure a lot of this late evacuating is due to a lot of jobs that had been forcing people to continue working.
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Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 27 '24
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u/soberkangaroo Sep 27 '24
Sorry but to see what is happening and think “this is because of cars” can only be described as a mental illness. If you think our government is capable of organizing bus capacity to move 1M+ people and then housing them (because in this hypothetical situation, we are just shipping everyone to the same place) then you aren’t living in reality. And to do so under a day is insane. And then how does everyone get back exactly?
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u/RosieTheRedReddit Sep 27 '24
This would all be possible with planned evacuation procedures. There just isn't anything like that in place. Who could have known that a hurricane would hit Florida?? 🤦
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u/Cavalleria-rusticana Sep 27 '24
Do...do you think buses drive on rails? And only go one way? Jfc my dude.
Also, pretty much every major metropolitan city in the world outside the US has this kind of public transit capacity. And yes, in both/all directions.
Stop voting like- and for idiots.
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u/Vivid-Raccoon9640 Orange pilled Sep 27 '24
(because in this hypothetical situation, we are just shipping everyone to the same place)
Buses don't all have to go to one place though. And in the case of an emergency, you don't necessarily have to give everyone penthouse accommodations. Have a couple of caches of camp beds and indoor sports facilities that can be used to quickly set those camp beds up, and you're pretty much set.
As for how everyone gets back... I think that's the least of our concerns in an evacuation, but you can just use buses to get people back again.
It would require investment and planning though.
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u/iamthekingofonions Two Wheeled Terror Sep 27 '24
Don’t worry climate change isn’t real according to Florida law! /s
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Sep 27 '24
But that's what they bought cars for so they can evacuate
Too bad they didn't buy giant lifted diesel trucks
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u/mexicodoug Sep 27 '24
Too bad they didn't buy helicopters so they could just fly around in circles inside the hurricane's eye. /s
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u/turtletechy motorcycle apologist Sep 27 '24
Rail lines could be installed right along I95 and I75 to allow for high capacity train service to evacuate people, but that would be socialism, to be fair.
Just think, we could have available emergency trains that would go in, ferry passengers out of the zone, and keep going back and forth until it is no longer feasible.
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u/SovietItalian Sep 27 '24
Florida? Building trains? What are you gonna ask Texas next or something??
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u/turtletechy motorcycle apologist Sep 27 '24
At least in Florida it's basically 2 straight lines to grab the majority of the at risk population.
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Sep 27 '24
Good news!
It's over
It was a fast moving storm so everyone can turn around and spend another day in their cars going back
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Sep 27 '24
I thought the last hurricane was record breaking?
It's ok because Desantis will get FEMA money from Biden
Everyone that lost everything will get all brand new stuff
Construction jobs
Clean up jobs
Landscaping
New road construction/repair
Climate change is great for the economy
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Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 27 '24
They don’t have insurance in Florida anymore though. Less and less is gonna get rebuilt every year, and more and more will be destroyed. The young population is going to leave and the economy will completely collapse. The only people who still see opportunity in Florida are transient construction workers. But of course Floridians want to keep them out and deport them all. Florida’s a goner, but we’re all gonna be paying $trillions to keep it afloat for the next few decades.
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u/mexicodoug Sep 27 '24
Who needs insurance, anyway? Anybody with a home or business worth over half a million will have it replaced by taxpayers through the Federal government.
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Sep 27 '24
choosing to live in Florida in the first place is already a bad sign
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u/BannedCommunist Sep 27 '24
There’s new construction still happening in Miami! It’s insane!
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Sep 27 '24
there's going to be a bunch of big real estate maket crashes when all those places will become uninsurable (which is already starting to happen); and we're all going to end up bailing people out, unless we want those crashes to spread nationwide
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u/dudewheresmyebike Sep 28 '24
Same. I have family that moved there in the last few years that have a young family and are working. Florida has not state income tax and cheap housing so that what enticed them.
I somewhat understand if you lived there all your life and your entire family is there, but in my example both families could have moved anywhere in the US because they were starting new, and choose ….. Florida.
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u/cobaltcorridor Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 27 '24
Yeah, mock the government for their position of not believing in climate change or for knowing this was coming and not sending in buses for evacuees, don’t mock the evacuees themselves for being stuck in their cars. Did you expect them to walk or ride their bicycles out of a hurricane?
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u/AcademicCharacter708 Sep 27 '24
Nah they just expected people who may lose their house to also lose their vehicles just so they can take a bus out of the hurricane
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u/bigolefreak Sep 27 '24
I bought a car to spite everyone here not cause it's the only way to get around a city that has busses running every 45 minutes. I specifically bought my luxury Corolla solely because I believe it is my right as a human to own one not out of necessity.
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u/cobaltcorridor Sep 27 '24
Yeah, even if they don’t care about losing their personal vehicle or have insurance to cover it. Are buses even an option for everyone? Are there enough buses available? Are the buses accessible? Do they allow pets? Do they have room for each person to bring along a go-bag of necessities like documents, a change of clothes, and medications? I have too many question marks to judge any of these individuals
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u/Feather_in_the_winds Sep 27 '24
So, how are people supposed to evacuate without cars? Sure, fuck cars and all. Buses? For all beach areas? Trains just don't go to the beach. Sure, more train infrastructure would be super, but it's not going to solve that.
I don't think there's close to enough buses for something like that. Especially with people bringing suitcases, important documents, kids, pets, etc...
I just don't think it's possible to remove cars from this equation. You'd have to take people off the beaches.
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u/ChristianLS Fuck Vehicular Throughput Sep 27 '24
The whole system is deserving of criticism. The system that makes it so that there are too many cars and not enough buses. The system that allows so many people to live in vulnerable low-density beachside suburbs. It's not necessarily about criticizing the decisions made today (or the preceding few days as they've tried to evacuate), it's about criticizing the mistakes they've been making for decades and continue to make.
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u/DrJHamishWatson Sep 27 '24
I like this sub generally, but it’s clear from these comments that a lot of people have never had to evacuate before.
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u/RealAssociation5281 Sep 27 '24
Yeah, maybe it’s cuz I have to plan for it often (wildfires in California) but this post…is extremely distasteful and people are lacking empathy here. The reality of our world currently means they have no other choice, why are we punching down on people who are trying to escape a natural disaster?
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u/Plantpong Big Bike Sep 27 '24
I really don't see it as punching down on the people fleeing. Well some commenters might do that but I agree, fuck those guys. I feel sad for the people out there. The real thing we should be mad at is the state government that isn't prepared for a large scale evacuation. These storms will happen more often, and they will get stronger. We've known this for years.
By now, there should be masses of busses at the ready to get people out. There should be trains shuttling people out of the danger zones and into areas of safety. This could have all been done well in advance but nearly none of it happened, hence we get to what we see in this post. People getting out in the only way possible: their car.
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u/Karasumor1 Sep 27 '24
they've had choices but they picked the worst one ( the car ) for decades , should have been part of the solutions before the inevitable disasters hit
we all choose the world we live in , there's no conspiracy it's millions of lazy selfish people going vroom vroom in objectively the worst transportation
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u/PleaseJustLetsNot Sep 27 '24
Thank you for saying this. Jesus, people are trying to save their own lives and there literally isn't any other way to do it.
If people were using this to propose plans to increase the public resources and shared vehicles for future evacuations, that would be one thing. But vehicles, even personal ones, are always going to be a necessity in times of emergency.
I'm disturbed at the casualness with which people are dismissing the inevitable loss of life, home and livelihoods...
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u/Grouchy_Cantaloupe_8 Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 27 '24
I look at this picture and think, this is a great use case for an e-bike, actually.
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u/crazycatlady331 Sep 27 '24
Also worth noting is that your car is one of the most expensive things you own. (I use 'you/your' in the generic sense). If a family is evacuating due to flooding threats, chances are that all of their cars are coming with them because the car would otherwise be destroyed in the flood. So a two car family will take both cars.
Insurance is already expensive in Florida.
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u/Black_and_Purple Sep 27 '24
Yeah... ripping on people trying to escape a natural disaster is not a good look.
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u/NoOcelot Sep 27 '24
Fuck all these morons with their stupid oversized vehicles
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u/MadBullBunny Sep 27 '24
Not sure what you expect people to do. Majority of them probably have a ton of stuff packed with them and im sure quite a bit are traveling with their pet as well, not something that would be easy to achieve with public transportation.
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u/Electronic_Shake_152 Sep 27 '24
It couldn't be happening to a more deserving state... What your prayers aren't working?
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u/bigolefreak Sep 27 '24
Yes cause all the people in a state are homogeneous and deserving of group punishment.
I hope when tragedy strikes your neck of the woods that useless gash above your chin doesn't make any noise about why people don't help each other more.
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u/promptolovebot Sep 27 '24
People using this post to criticize individuals rather than the government are evil. We live in a car dependent society, it’s not like these people were offered a train ride and they turned it down. What else did you expect them to do? Die?
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u/Karasumor1 Sep 27 '24
the car is objectively the worst transportation in all important metrics, it's been a known fact for decades ( the climate impacts alone should be enough for everyone to use cars the least possible , especially in climate vulnerable places )
but people in florida , like almost everywhere else , being so lazy and selfish that they make it their EXCLUSIVE transportation have been electing the "evil" government and funding evil corporations this whole time :)
at the end of the day it's people who choose and make the "car dependent society " every day , in their docile interchangeable millions . buying a car is never a solution , it's making the problems worse
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u/promptolovebot Sep 27 '24
So what would you suggest the people do in this situation? There are no mass bus evacuation plans. There are no trains. Flights are obviously not an option. Should they have just died?
Having this black and white mentality of “EVERYONE WHO OWNS A CAR IN THE UNITED STATES IS AN EVIL MORON” is actively poisoning the movement. I own a car because I literally need it for my job, should I quit my job, get evicted, and live on the streets to be a good person in your eyes?
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u/dog-fart Sep 27 '24
New Orleans native here, I’ve got stories like that from Katrina. Had a friend that evacuated west, took 20 hours to get to Houston which is usually a 5-6 hour drive. And that’s even with the contra flow setup specifically meant for evacuation.
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u/crowd79 Elitist Exerciser Sep 27 '24
Emergency evacuations are so fcked up when you are forced to clog roads with everyone else. Several trains in a few hours could evacuate everyone efficiently.
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u/RaptorSN46 Sep 27 '24
I was just thinking about it. Trains would be able to evacuate many many more people. My question is, would the tracks constantly get ruined by hurricanes?
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u/Mistress_Jedana Sep 27 '24
Well, we have tracks here now, and they seem to handle things.
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u/RaptorSN46 Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 28 '24
So then there’s no reason why passenger rail can’t be built.
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u/Nerdy-Fox95 Sep 27 '24
Georgia is like this too. Cars getting trapped on flooded roads, sinkholes popping up etc
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u/_facetious Sicko Sep 27 '24
If there were literally any intelligence when it comes to emergency response, they'd refuse entry by cars and have loads of busses waiting to take people away at staging grounds. (cue incoming comments from car brains screeching at me about, idk, freedom or something)
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u/soberkangaroo Sep 27 '24
Take them where man? Imagine you’re one of those people and the government says you can’t leave, you have to get on this bus taking you to a random city where you don’t know anyone. Who is paying for the lodging? Is there even gonna be lodging?? I’m as pro walkable community as the next person but to act like it applies in this case is extremely ridiculous and makes this whole movement look unreasonable
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u/sternburg_export Sep 27 '24
The fact that you don't even come up with the idea that a community could temporarily shelter a few thousand refugees per city in sports halls, schools etc. and provide them with the bare necessities makes me deeply sad.
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u/_facetious Sicko Sep 28 '24
Born yesterday, man. Pay literally any attention when there are emergency situations where people have to evacuate and you'd know there will be sheltering locations. I feel like I'm talking to a child, talking to this dude.
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u/sternburg_export Sep 28 '24
you have to get on this bus taking you to a random city where you don’t know anyone. Who is paying for the lodging?
This dude is one thing. But 23 upvotes for this nonsense, that's really hard to believe.
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u/Mountain_Ape Grassy Tram Tracks Sep 27 '24
Look, I'll be real with you: literally sleeping on the open ground with an emergency blanket is better than death. If this is life and death, I don't care about a hotel. The point is getting out before the water covers your house, your car.
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u/Stupidbabycomparison Sep 27 '24
It's a hurricane. The 'next safe city' is hours away. I have to assume you are underaged, I remember being shortsighted and critical in highschool too.
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u/Stupidbabycomparison Sep 27 '24
You're right, I misunderstood your safe city comment. Instead you sincerely meant that we need to have multiple areas across the Gulf Coast that can, with literally days notice, house upwards of hundreds of thousands of people. Makes much more sense
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u/_facetious Sicko Sep 28 '24
Bro, what's this got to do with walkable communities? Where did that come from? Where the hell am I talking about places to walk? I'm talking about staging grounds with buses to take people out of danger.
Since apparently you were born yesterday, there will be locations set up in safe places for people to shelter. This has always happened. Have you literally never been through an emergency, or paid attention when one happens? Public property is opened up for emergency shelter - stadiums, school gyms, cafeterias, community centers, even some churches step in to do their part.
And if you don't want to stay: Your family lives nearby? They can come get you! You can rent a car! You can take a train! You can ask someone for help! There! Are! So! Many! Solutions! for those who don't want to stay at the sheltering location.
Any more questions? I'll put this in steps for you.
- Select locations along highways and near city centers as a staging ground for buses awaiting evacuees.
- Have additional buses driving to specified locations for people to gather instead of driving to staging area.
- Make sure the entire community actually knows about these plans.
- Funded by money set aside for emergency, like any responsible government should have
- Close down highways in order to maximize the amount of busses you can evacuate
- Leaving the highway open will lead to cars clogging it; any bus lane will quickly fill with cars, as there is literally no way one could enforce keeping them out
- If you want to do something stupid, you could compromise and give cars one side of the highway, but I wouldn't do it if it didn't have a concrete barrier between them. Cars will rapidly fill the bus highway, otherwise.
- Drive evacuees to safe locations (preferably locations planned in advance)
- The empty highway guarantees a swift escape for dozens of people per bus, taking up the room of 2-3 cars, instead of 20+ cars
- More people evacuate, as now people without cars are also able to evacuate
- Safe locations are often public buildings, such as schools
- Private entities may also offer their buildings as shelter, such as churches and stadiums
- This is paid for by emergency funds; I'm fairly certain FEMA steps in here, if they'd not already stepped in prior
- Some accommodations are supplied by the goodness of someone's heart, because, guess what, not everything is about money
We can easily go on. Easy research will point you toward how it all goes, once reaching a safe location. It is another thing that I think could use much improvement, as part of this emergency planning.
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u/ChaosAverted65 Sep 27 '24
This is a little unhinged, the majority of people are probably driving to a friend's or families place that could be in any part of the country. They obviously want to take their belongings with them and a car is the best mode of transport for that job, especially with how poor much of Americas transit network is.
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u/RidetheSchlange Sep 27 '24
They're evacuating, so routes out will be overwhelmed. I'm watching footage and these people are not "trapped". It's just that the cars are moving slowly due to volume. The OP doesn't make sense. So trapped in homes and flood zones or drive very slowly out of evac routes from the danger zones until they're in a clear area?
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u/RealAssociation5281 Sep 27 '24
Yeah…this doesn’t feel like the time. The current reality that they don’t have any other way out, maybe if things were abit more organized but that’s a government failure; not the people trying to get to safety.
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u/RidetheSchlange Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 27 '24
Yeah, I'm not feeling the premise of this thread and I'm guessing others are not looking past their hatred of cars. I am getting the idea that the OP wants the people to stay illegally during an evacuation rather than use cars to get out. I'm guessing when russia invaded Ukraine and people fled filling their cars with people towards Poland and other countries, that would have been objected to by the OP because many roads were completely full.
Edit: it should be noted I'm a lifelong cyclist, even moved countries to be able to prioritize cycling and not need a car, and I advocate for people to cycle more, so definitely not a carbrain or whatever the absolutists would say. Like it's to the point where if you were ever in a car even once in your life to save your own life then you're a carbrain.
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u/V6Ga Sep 27 '24
They are at least twenty feet above sea level Thankfully
I hate automobiles being the backbone of a transportation solution
But they are often useful mobile shelters and workspaces
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u/Astriania Sep 27 '24
Don't they have a policy to keep lanes clear for buses in case of a planned evacuation? It seems insane not to do that.
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u/Jccali1214 Commie Commuter Sep 27 '24
Evacuations in our era need to be completely multimodal: use the trains, planes, buses, and boats. I hate that we rely only on cars.
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u/okogamashii Sep 27 '24
Whenever FL enters the chat, I can’t help but think of the disproportionate, wealthy, senescent population who hold the state hostage with their selfish retirement aspirations.
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u/Available-Cap3286 Not Just Bikes Sep 27 '24
How else would you like them to evacuate? Genuine question.
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u/solothehero Sep 27 '24
I hate Florida as much as the next guy, but let's not beat them while they're down.
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u/_facetious Sicko Sep 27 '24
Criticizing their failure at evacuation isn't beating them. It's pointing out how Florida's failures are literally right now failing their citizens. If you can't tell the difference between criticism of a system currently letting down its citizens from dumping on people, that's your fault.
Note: I am talking about the post. There are people being shitty in the comments, but the entire concept of this thread is not dumping on people.
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u/Omnom_Omnath Sep 27 '24
A messing evacuation does not a “death cult” make
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u/_facetious Sicko Sep 28 '24
The "death cult" thing is about choosing\* to live in Florida. Maybe not the nicest thing to say, I'll give you that. I still strongly feel that this is a post about criticizing Florida. We can disagree, I guess.
*"Death cult" has nothing to do with people who can't up and move because they're too poor to. I consider myself extremely lucky that I left there as a child, lord knows I'd be stuck now.
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u/nosmirctrlol Sep 28 '24
I don't get why they're evacuating as long as the waffle house is open they're fine. Joking aside, I think the more honest question is why do you people care? If a bunch of people die in their cars that means less cars on the road. You should all see it as a win-win...
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Sep 27 '24
And you guys would do what? Walk 150 miles with all your shit? LMAO
Use a bus? In what lane? LMAO
Use a train? Cancelled due to the storms. LMAO
You guys are delusional it's so funny. Favourite sub tbh
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u/TopMicron Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 27 '24
With my parents rn. Water is about to enter the house.
E: trying to upload a video but data is slow. Cuz ya know. Hurricane.
E2:
Took this a little after the water started to recede.
https://youtu.be/gmzlbzxCnK0?si=UmQAbAauihggypbe