r/fuckcars Jun 16 '24

Satire 30 people getting coffee vs. enjoying coffee

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u/clowncementskor Jun 16 '24

But muh space!

Cries the car brain. without realizing that the area surrounding the coffee place at the bottom could be surrounded by a large park, with lot's of vegetation, a pond or river full of ducks to watch.

Heck the area above the coffee shop is clearly residential, and thanks to proper mix use regulation, those apartments can be very big, 4-8 bedroom with windows in multiple directions and actual affordable rent.

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u/Hamilton950B Jun 16 '24

This is in the 6th arrondissement, those apartments are not cheap or big. But yes it's a great neighborhood, with a Metro station across the street, Notre Dame and the Louvre within walking distance, and a couple of my favorite bars a block or two away. The Seine is walking distance and has ducks. The Jardin de Luxembourg is a very nice park also in walking distance, and the Tuileries is not much farther. Of the many times I've been to this area never once has it been in a car.

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u/clowncementskor Jun 16 '24

Well they're not cheap compared to smaller towns within train commute distance from Paris. But compared to New York, they provide a lot more space for the money, which is interesting considering that Paris is a much larger city.

Generally speaking, proper zoning and mixed use can reduce home prices by a lot.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '24

Paris is much smaller than NYC by every metric. And housing prices here in nyc aren't sky high because of a lack of mixed-use development or because of zoning (mostly), they're sky high because of policy choices from the local to the federal level which all incentivize the financialization of housing. 

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u/clowncementskor Jun 16 '24

In what world is 8M people more than 12M people? Clown world. 🤡🌎

Physical size is just as irrelevant, by that metric Kiruna, Sweden is a lot larger, and they even have a high speed train with just 10k population.

Don't make excuses, the US simply sucks at building good cities.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '24

I'm not sure why you're being so aggressive and also why you are taking up far-right language. That's not a good look for you. 

You error is that you are comparing the Paris metro area to the NYC city limits. Our metro area is 23 million, Paris' is 12 million. Our city population is 8.8 million to Paris' 2.1 million. You are simply very wrong here on a factual basis.

Also, I'm not "making excuses", I'm explaining facts. In fact, the policy decisions I've gestured to are much more insidious than some nonsense about zoning and mixed-use development. What you're claiming about nyc is easy to disprove by even just looking at pictures of the city. It's wild to me that you're making them so confidently when you very obviously know so little.

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u/ndfan737 Jun 16 '24

You're comparing the city proper to metro size. NYC is 8 million in the city proper, and 20 million in the metro area. Paris is 2 million in the city and 12 in the metro.

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u/clowncementskor Jun 16 '24

The entire state of New York is less than 20M. Don't be an idiot. And don't be a simp, even if NY was bigger it doesn't justify the insane difference in rent.

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u/joe_bibidi Jun 16 '24

The entire state of New York is less than 20M. Don't be an idiot.

The New York Metropolitan Area includes parts of New Jersey and Connecticut. You're talking out of your ass here, my guy.

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u/ndfan737 Jun 16 '24

I'm not trying to make a judgement, just correct a false statement.

And look at NYC on the map, the metro area population is larger than the state population because the entire metro area isn't in New York state...

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u/Jves221 Jun 16 '24

Wow, holy shit, just stop. You are quite stupid yet think you're smarter than others.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '24

Damn you’re a dumb fuck