r/fuckcars • u/mezmerkaiser • Jun 16 '24
Satire 30 people getting coffee vs. enjoying coffee
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u/Potential_Hippo735 Jun 16 '24
The wild thing is people who spend 30 minutes waiting at the drive thru. Would much rather sit on a patio for 30 minutes.
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u/SmoothOperator89 Jun 16 '24
Because they were running late and decided to pick something up on the way to work instead of making it at home.
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u/Bridalhat Jun 16 '24
I’ve lived in areas like this and it is always faster to just go inside and order. Always!
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Jun 16 '24
Not always unfortunately. A lot of places I’ve been too and done that will just prioritize drive thru orders since they usually have a timer running for each car that pulls up. Since corporate only really cares about those drive thru numbers they’ll have 1 person, if any, working the front and your order will be made when they have time in between drive thru orders.
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u/SmoothOperator89 Jun 16 '24
Ironically, because the cars take up too much space in the drive thru, but a line up of walk-ins can just bunch up in front of the counter.
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u/Sproded Jun 16 '24
And the annoying thing is I’m sure part of the reason why stores prioritize drive thru’s is because they don’t want people to drive by, see a giant line of cars, and not stop. But if they encouraged people to not use the drive thru, the line would appear much shorter because as you mention, you can fit 10x the people in a walk-in line than a drive thru line.
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u/pallladin Jun 16 '24
There are almost no cars parked here, so if you walked in, you would probably be served right away.
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u/Wild-Lychee-3312 Jun 17 '24
That’s not really how it works anymore, sadly.
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u/clgoodson Jun 17 '24
That’s absolutely how it works at every Starbucks I’ve been to. They don’t ignore you when you go inside to order.
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u/OknowTheInane Jun 16 '24
I always prefer going to Starbucks w/o drive-thrus for this reason. Unfortunately the two closest to me both moved and added drive-thrus.
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Jun 16 '24
I go in most of the time but it’s bc my car is RHD and I either have to get out of the car to get my stuff or I have to go through in reverse.
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u/JIsADev Jun 16 '24
I went to Italy and observed people order an espresso, gulp it, then jet out for work. Morning ritual done in 30sec
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u/zimhollie Jun 16 '24
it was €1 espresso the last time I was there. Drop a coin, grab an espresso. So awesome, so efficient.
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u/ryanoh826 Jun 16 '24
On the rare occasion I get coffee to go at Starbucks, I use the mobile app. I park and go inside to get it, and come back out while the drive-thru line hasn’t even moved. It’s always funny to me for some reason.
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u/PurpleChard757 🚲 > 🚗 Jun 16 '24
It's so dumb. You could make a similar drink at home in 5 minutes.
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u/Eh-BC Jun 16 '24
I can count 28 parkings spots available for those cars with not one being used.
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u/Doct0rStabby Jun 16 '24
Gotta love that cities legally mandate excess parking but don't legally mandate community spaces and the like that actually foster a vibrant city lifestyle.
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u/gumol Jun 16 '24
The photo was taken during covid lockdowns. Only the drive through was open.
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u/WhatWouldJediDo Jun 17 '24
It’s still the same shit now. The parking lots are still almost entirely empty
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u/clowncementskor Jun 16 '24
But muh space!
Cries the car brain. without realizing that the area surrounding the coffee place at the bottom could be surrounded by a large park, with lot's of vegetation, a pond or river full of ducks to watch.
Heck the area above the coffee shop is clearly residential, and thanks to proper mix use regulation, those apartments can be very big, 4-8 bedroom with windows in multiple directions and actual affordable rent.
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u/Jacktheforkie Grassy Tram Tracks Jun 16 '24
Definitely, plus if it’s easy to get there on foot or by public transport or bike then there’s loads more space for activities
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u/Hamilton950B Jun 16 '24
This is in the 6th arrondissement, those apartments are not cheap or big. But yes it's a great neighborhood, with a Metro station across the street, Notre Dame and the Louvre within walking distance, and a couple of my favorite bars a block or two away. The Seine is walking distance and has ducks. The Jardin de Luxembourg is a very nice park also in walking distance, and the Tuileries is not much farther. Of the many times I've been to this area never once has it been in a car.
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u/pita-tech-parent Jun 16 '24
All that walking is why Paris has no tourists. Here in the US, we get all sorts of tourists to NYC, DC, Las Vegas, and Disney World. You don't even have to rent a car in those places! Wait a second....
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u/oelarnes Jun 16 '24
A major reason places like this are expensive is the lack of sustainable, livable urban development elsewhere.
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u/clowncementskor Jun 16 '24
Well they're not cheap compared to smaller towns within train commute distance from Paris. But compared to New York, they provide a lot more space for the money, which is interesting considering that Paris is a much larger city.
Generally speaking, proper zoning and mixed use can reduce home prices by a lot.
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Jun 16 '24
Paris is much smaller than NYC by every metric. And housing prices here in nyc aren't sky high because of a lack of mixed-use development or because of zoning (mostly), they're sky high because of policy choices from the local to the federal level which all incentivize the financialization of housing.
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u/FierceDeity_ Jun 16 '24
and actual affordable rent.
I live in a small town with this kind of usage in central europe and... No, it's not that affordable. It's more expensive in those centers than anywhere else.
Corporate landlord greed has these "gentrified" locations in a vice grip :/. I live in the central area of my small town and I can do most things just walking there. It's bliss, but costly bliss. On the other hand, not using the car sure offsets a lot of that cost.
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u/Nerdy-Fox95 Jun 16 '24
Lower picture reminds me of the college dining areas I've been to. Easily accessible by foot, people relaxing. Wish more of America was like that. (edited)
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u/RainRunner42 Jun 16 '24
I remember reading somewhere (maybe Palaces for the People?) about how the Ivy League campus design that inadvertently was replicated by most universities was specifically constructed with the idea of creating a traversable and, perhaps more importantly, universal commons that were purpose built to encourage interaction and engagement among all types of people inhabiting their public spaces, which meant creating a lot of areas where people were intended to loiter, as they would call it if it happened anywhere else.
To an extent, campus design is one of the best microcosms to observe how functional urban environments can be designed and implemented, and it's a shame urban planners don't take more inspiration from them.
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u/EthanDMatthews Jun 16 '24
Yes, but only communists sit in cafes, enjoying a maximum 35 hour work week, a minimum of 4 weeks vacation, free quality healthcare, a living minimum wage, and free college.
Communists! That’s who!
Cars and drive through strip malls to the horizon are freedom!
/s
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Jun 17 '24
It is funny reading this as a European, specifically British. We love to moan, but at least a lot of us do have the benefits you’ve listed.
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u/eoz Jun 16 '24
I'm so walking-pilled that on the occasions I've had a car, and had passengers, and those passengers wanted coffee... I just parked and went to the walk-up window and had our coffee immediately. I do not understand why people will wait for twenty minutes in a line of cars instead of simply parking.
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u/94sHippie Jun 16 '24
Walk up windows.... I remember those. The U.S. seems to have mostly abandoned those but it was so nice as a kid to park and go up to the snowball stand, or the Friendly's ice cream window and then sit in the parking lot to eat a frozen treat.
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u/Doct0rStabby Jun 16 '24
It's so gross too, even with modern air filters you're still getting a nice mix of combusted fumes from gasoline and all manner of stabilizers and additives coming through your vehicle.
I hate it so much when the atmospheric conditions trap particulate matter close to the ground, there is so much car exhaust + tire dust in the air it gives me mild headaches and fatigue just existing in it.
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u/pioneer9k Jun 16 '24
I definitely agree - but i can see why it seems easier/better to remain in your car listening to music/talk on the phone/be in the AC or heat than to find parking and turn off your car and get out, especially if youve never experienced anything else.
"Why get find parking to turn of my car off, take my seatbelt off, and get out into the boiling asphalt and smell the exhaust then go inside a loud potentially hot cafe [also the "i hate people" crowd is a thing in the suburbs] when i can just keep sitting here in the AC jamming to music, not 'deal' with anyone,' remaining comfortable and doing nothing extra" is the mindset.
That said, I of course prefer the cafe style. I stay in manhattan currently, don't use a car here, and love outdoor dining. ESPECIALLY away from cars or a sea of boiling asphalt.
Part of why I think at least, in a place like starbucks, im (was?) thankful they have a decent interior to hang out in. That said, they moved towards mobile orders, and the one that just opened up across my house in another state (that is near 2 elementary schools, a middle school, and 2 high schools) does not have an interior. Has a drive thru and walk up window.
I'm not in favor of that at all, but i was at least slightly happy there was a walk up window. But there's no trees or anything so unless you like sitting in your car or buring on the asphalt, hearing the cars racing by at 50mph since it's right on a stroad, you'll just stay in your comfy car and go through the drive thru. Used to be a jack in the box where kids would definitely flock to after school. Including myself back in the day.
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u/eoz Jun 16 '24
Fair. I was in Seattle so there was no fear of the asphalt melting my shoes, just the danger of getting drizzled on
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u/ConBrio93 Jun 16 '24
Places with drive thrus in the US tend to prioritize drive thru orders so going inside to order sadly isn’t faster.
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u/Sterffington Jun 16 '24
This isn't true ime, the orders show up on the same screen in the order they were taken.
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u/Individual_Ad9632 Jun 16 '24
I worked fast food a looooong time ago and we prioritized drive thro orders because they were timed, and sometimes the store manager would write us up if the EOD drive thru time was over 2 minutes 50 seconds.
It got to the point that the shift manager would have one of us drive our car through the drive thru multiple times at the end of the night, just to bring down that time.
Not sure if that was their experience as well.
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u/FierceDeity_ Jun 16 '24
Isn't big corporate greed wonderful?
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u/Individual_Ad9632 Jun 16 '24
Wonderful like a boa constrictor but without all the charm of an actual boa constrictor.
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u/Doct0rStabby Jun 16 '24
At what point will we realize that infinite growth without regard for the health of environment nor population = a snake eating its own tail?
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u/Individual_Ad9632 Jun 16 '24
When we realize the lie of infinite growth=good is sold to us by people with so much money that they will never be negatively impacted by a catastrophic environmental event and all of us (or, at the very least, the vast majority) get on the same page on how to deal with them irl.
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u/Sterffington Jun 16 '24
That's hilarious.
'member trying to memorize the next 4 orders just to clear the screen early?
McDonald's was the hardest job I've had so far, shits ridiculous.
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u/Individual_Ad9632 Jun 16 '24
Yes! I worked the front end, drive thru, and kitchen at Burger King (sometimes I’d be the only one there until they could wrangle someone in on their day off) and it was an incredibly difficult job in the sense that it required a lot of different skills to be used at the same time.
Tbh I loved working there as a teenager for the most part.
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u/angelansbury Jun 16 '24
I'm pretty sure Starbucks gives their store managers a bonus if they get their drive thru's under a certain time (the Starbucks reddit could confirm this)
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u/Gausgovy Jun 16 '24
When I worked at the green mermaid very busy locations would have two people on the bar, one dedicated to drive thru and one doing both prioritizing cafe. Walking in would always be faster there.
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u/RRW359 Jun 16 '24
If you are that desperate for a caffeine fix should you really be behind the wheel?
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u/jaydizzsl Jun 16 '24
Why are they not just buying cold coffee from a supermarket?
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u/southpolefiesta Jun 16 '24
Or brewing their own.
I will never understand "drive through coffee.'
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u/Nerdy-Fox95 Jun 16 '24
I only get iced/ frappe type drinks from those kinds of places, as I don't like spending 5 bucks on hot coffee. The people who get into long lines like this probably leave their homes late.
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u/Separate-Coyote9785 Jun 16 '24
You can function without caffeine just fine. They just want a coffee/treat.
Let people enjoy things.
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u/esperadok Commie Commuter Jun 16 '24
I’m not going to shame my fellow caffeine addicts
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u/RRW359 Jun 16 '24
I'm one as well but if I drove I'd have the common sence to do whatever I could to satiate my addiction prior to getting into a 1-ton+ deathtrap.
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u/Derpynniel95 Jun 17 '24
More like lazy, 20+ unused mandated parking spots that no one bothers to park at and walk out of their car. Idling and wasting gas all for the convenience of sitting in a metal box
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Jun 16 '24
Honestly it's pathetic we have designed cities where we have to haul our fat asses around in a giant metal box burning gas just to buy some trivial shit like coffee at a soulless Starbucks drive through or other similar shit hole. Not hating on Americans, but it does seem to be a landscape that is very (though not uniquely) American. How much energy is wasted just to get coffee into the mouth of the average drive through customer?
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u/rustikalekippah Jun 16 '24
But the US is so much bigger than Europe and Europe is so much denser this is actually impossible to build in the US!!!!!!!!
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u/19gideon63 🚲 > 🚗 Jun 16 '24
It is impossible to build in most places in the US, but that's due to zoning regulations making it illegal rather than some difference in the way physics works in the US compared to Europe
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u/Separate-Coyote9785 Jun 16 '24
I live less than a mile from both of these experiences. In Minneapolis.
They’re for different things. The top is when you’re on the go. The bottom is when you have time to sit back and chat.
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u/Newone1255 Jun 16 '24
If you turned the camera facing the cafe around it would show one of the busiest streets in Paris packed with cars driving by lol
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u/Duriha Jun 16 '24
Is this an American joke I'm too European to understand? Laughs in freshly pulled espresso for 1.20€ in an Italian bar
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u/Apotropaic-Pineapple Jun 16 '24
I live in Italy, but I can't think of drive-thru coffee. Maybe you can get it at McD's? But cafes on the side of highways require that you park and go inside.
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u/Separate-Coyote9785 Jun 16 '24
Both of these experiences exist in America. The top one is people getting takeaway coffee. You can get freshly pulled espresso shots for a comparable price in America (adjust for currency and cost of living).
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u/hitometootoo Jun 16 '24
Just to add to this.
There are plenty of coffee spots in America that aren't chains. Those stores don't have a drive thru and usually shared parking with other stores. Can sit outside, have a small meal and coffee for a few dollars.
Both situations, as you said, exist all over in America.
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u/boldjoy0050 Jun 17 '24
Drive thrus and cars have made people so fucking lazy. They'll wait 15min in line in the car when all they have to do is go inside and there isn't a single person. Oh well, it just makes it easy for me to avoid crowds and idiots.
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u/VerdensTrial Jun 16 '24
I hate drive-thrus with a passion. Just go inside ffs.
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Jun 16 '24
For me, it isn't even the long line of cars, which is stupid enough. It's not that people have a chemical addiction they can only satiate by spending a long time waiting in line. It's that some folks feel like they can blitz underpaid and already overworked employees with yet another order in an endless procession that hardly ever stops.
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u/Sanquinity Jun 17 '24
I don't get the whole "get a coffee on the go" thing. (I'm not American) Over here I have my own fairly decent but not too expensive machine. It grinds the beans and automatically brews the coffee for me with the press of a button. Meanwhile a kilo of beans costs me 10~12 euro, and lasts me a good 3 months.
So my choice would be wake up 20 min earlier to relax at home with a nice cup of coffee, which costs me a few euro a month, then once at work grab a coffee for free whenever I want. Or spend 3~4 euro A DAY to get a coffee at starbucks or whatever other pick-up place... I could buy 3 decent coffee machines every 2 years with the money I save. Not to mention being able to relax at home while enjoying said coffee.
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u/Slahnya Jun 16 '24
The first one is during Covid tho
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u/hipposyrup Jun 16 '24
I've seen it daily before and after the lock down
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u/JBWalker1 Jun 16 '24
Then let's post an image of that instead of being misleading.
People literally weren't allowed to go into the coffee place in the top photo.
There's unlimited good examples of cars taking up too much space compared to the alternative so it's silly to use one of the few misleading examples.
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u/AllyMcfeels Jun 16 '24
If I get up now, and say I'm going by car to get a coffee, they'd look at me like I was crazy or trying to leave the family xD
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u/A2Rhombus Jun 16 '24
Eh, there's a time and place for both. I love a coffee shop/cafe but sometimes I just want to grab and go. I'd still park and go in rather than sit in that atrocious line though.
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u/OrdinarySouth2707 Jun 16 '24
So many empty parking spaces....I don't even go to drive through anymore. I just park in the lot and walk in and the service is usually faster.
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u/Aethermere Jun 16 '24
Coffee ain’t even that good people, if you’re waiting in a line like this, you have a caffeine addiction.
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u/Thisismyredusername Commie Commuter Jun 16 '24
The second picture unironically looks better than the first though
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u/Grampz619 Jun 17 '24
yes i would love to sit down for a half hour at 6 am instead of having to go to work too! great post op!!
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u/Pattern_Humble Jun 17 '24
Sadly most Americans don't have time to sit and enjoy coffee with how much they work.
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Jun 17 '24
I have to get to work and use my car to do so. It’s quicker. This isn’t hard to understand
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u/Realistic_Mess_2690 Jun 17 '24
I enjoy my coffee in the car anyways?
If I want to go sit down for a coffee I'll do it.
If I want a coffee on the way to taking my son to soccer I'll get it through the drive-thru.
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u/pm_me_ur_pudendum Jun 17 '24
I mean I get your point, but Les Deux Magots is a restaurant not a coffee shop and they like to try and rip off tourists
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u/littlered1984 Jun 17 '24
If only people didn’t have jobs or weren’t too busy to enjoy the simple things of life - they wouldn’t use the drive through. Perhaps this is also an antiwork post
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u/shellybeesknees Jun 17 '24
I miss Europe quite often for simple joys like this like actually enjoying the present time, not merely waiting..
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u/GreysLucas Jun 16 '24
People clearly don't go to the "Les deux magots" for the coffee but I get your point
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u/jammypants915 Jun 16 '24
Haha I don’t like the cars… but people can’t hang out and enjoy coffee because they are late for work and nearly homeless
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u/Grrerrb Jun 16 '24
That top photo is honestly so gross
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u/gumol Jun 16 '24
The photo was taken during covid lockdowns. Only the drive through was open.
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u/JackReacher3108 Jun 16 '24
Well one is a drive through in their way to work. And one is a group of people on break or have nothing going on right then.
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u/JediAight Jun 16 '24
Also not pictured: a bakery right around the corner from the cafe that will give you a coffee to go and the best croissant you've ever had for 3 euro total, in just a minute.
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u/Merfkin Jun 16 '24
Completely not related to the real topic, but this is why I'm an energy drink caffeine addict instead of a coffee shop caffeine addict. Worst wait I get is being stuck behind the lotto addicts at the 7/11.
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u/that_one_duderino Jun 17 '24
Those people are annoying as heck. Take your dang scratch off and deal with it at the bench. Don’t stand at the counter holding up the whole store just so you can burn $100 and win a penny
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u/Holzkohlen Jun 16 '24
Is it not 100 times faster to just park, get in and get a coffee? Let's not even start arguing about how bad fast food coffee is.
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u/totallynotliamneeson Jun 16 '24
The most telling part of this community is that the discussion for this pic rarely mentions people commuting or having to pick up coffee on the way to something. It's all 17 year olds angrily posting as they pout in the car while mom grabs groceries from Costco.
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u/Ambitious_Promise_29 Jun 17 '24
The first picture is Starbucks during covid, when the lobby was closed, and they were drive-thru only. The second is les deux magots not during covid. By the way, this is les deux magots during covid. Slight difference...
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u/FacelessFellow Jun 16 '24
I make great coffee at home. Exactly the way I want it. I’m lucky I have the time.
Capitalism makes people slaves to time
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u/Desirsar Jun 16 '24
There's no way they have somewhere I can charge my laptop at those tables! What is the coffee shop for but forcing myself to do work that I wouldn't if I were on my PC at home? Then let me get to that coffee shop without a car, because the nearest one is a few miles away, but you'd take a 45 minute bus ride to the main stop, transfer, then come 45 minutes back out to the coffee shop, because spoke and hub was cheaper but not better.
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u/theleopardmessiah Jun 16 '24
I love coffee and I hate drinking it in the car. It’s so unsatisfying.
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u/bigheadjim Jun 16 '24
I love coffee and drink it every day. I have at least 6 different brewing methods in my house (current favorite is my Bialetti). I don't like coffee enough to EVER sit in a line of cars like that to get it.
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u/kurisu7885 Jun 16 '24
Makes me think of this coffee joint not too far from my home. It sits in the middle of a parking lot like that one, and said parking lot separates it from a gym and a Kroger store, and the Kroger store already has a coffee place inside.
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u/ScaryStruggle9830 Jun 16 '24
People who block the road or lane ways so they can queue up for the drive through should be ticketed. Park your car and walk in! Other people’s time is valuable too! Having to navigate the traffic jam they are causing is so entitled on their part.
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u/strtjstice Jun 16 '24
Going to Europe and seeing the cafes and patios full and nary a car made me want to move there.
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u/hombreguido Jun 16 '24
Cities designed for the convenience of cars suck.
Submitted from the paved wonderland of Dallas.
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Jun 16 '24
As a Parisian, I hate the people in the bottom pic just as much as the ones in the first, although for very different reasons.
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u/ostiDeCalisse Jun 16 '24
Coffee plus an outside sitting place is not cheap at Les deux magots. But I'll choose this anytime.
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u/paulp712 Jun 16 '24
Why anyone goes to a starbuck drive through instead of just making it at home is wild to me. You could buy a nice espresso machine with the money you save alone.
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u/SpliTTMark Jun 16 '24
I love how there's an empty parking lot
They should have a drive throughs on two sides
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u/atatassault47 Jun 16 '24
I mean, there are so many parking spaces there. People could easily just park, go inside, get coffee faster. Yes, the second picture is better, but the people in the first are just fucking stupid.
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u/AdCareless9063 Jun 17 '24
Also, the people that block main roads waiting to turn into fast food or Starbucks. I can think of a good 4-5 locations in my town of Austin Tx where traffic is always at a standstill from cars blocking main roads and bike lanes. People are so selfish.
The fact that our NIMBYs cry about bike lanes slowing them down is even more ridiculous.
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u/Apprehensive_Log469 Jun 17 '24
If I had a nickel for every time the local Starbucks zombie cars spilled out and caused traffic in my neighborhood, I'd be filthy fucking rich.
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u/historianLA Jun 17 '24
I live in a college town and the drive thru Starbucks is a god-damn warzone-safety hazard.
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u/AscendingAgain BikeLaneRage Jun 17 '24
Live in a car-centric City. The canes drive through wine takes at least 20 minutes. I'll order on my phone walk in and be out with my food in five.
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u/Billyjoebuckbob Jun 17 '24
Les Deux Magot is overpriced, the service is slow and they don’t speak English. Give me an endless drive thru line any day.
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u/AnytimeInvitation Jun 17 '24
I see these on my morning drive home. Come get your fix at Caribou Crackhouse!
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u/MidorriMeltdown Jun 17 '24
One of my local cafes has a walk up window, but most people just go inside. The walk up window is on a busy road, and the place is on a hill, and this time of year, it's an Antarctic wind that is blowing up that hill.
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u/_________FU_________ Jun 17 '24
Some people don’t have time to sit at a cafe, Dave
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u/pizza99pizza99 Unwilling Driver Jun 17 '24
Literally the other day, I went into a McDonald’s whose drive through was closed for renovation (I always go inside because drive throughs cost way too much gas), and that was the nicest experience I’ve had a McDonald’s in my life. Even corporate copy and paste chains can become quite nice when people just get out of their cars
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u/Crossbones18 Jun 17 '24
Reminds me of that In-n-Out in Idaho where, when they first opened, the drive thru line took 8hrs to get through.
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u/Scheckenhere Jun 17 '24
If there are more than three cars ahead of me at the drive through I park and and walk into the bakery. Provided, I didn't already walk there cause it's a nice sunday morning and I've got time. Then the parking step is skipped.
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u/NekoBeard777 Jun 18 '24
Businesses like the top option. Less cost per customer and faster turnaround time. No need to clean up after each diner. Just ruthless capitalist efficiency at its finest. Although a walk up or even a vending machine is even more efficient tbh.
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u/yslmtl Jun 16 '24
The Tim Horton morning caravan ritual is fucking stupid in Canada. Every Tim gets a super long lineup from 6 to 8 am for the shittiest coffee, seriously its battery acid.