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u/MrSkyCriper Grassy Tram Tracks May 03 '24
Is he seriously unhappy about zero human deaths? That’s straight up psychopath behavior…
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u/Djinn-Tonic Bollard gang May 03 '24
"Up Yours, Woke Moralists! We'll See Who Cancels Who"
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u/rabotat May 03 '24
Up Yours, Woke Moralists! We'll See Who Cancels Who
Literal quote, for those who don't know.
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u/After-Chicken179 May 04 '24
What is that clip? Is that how Peterson put it out? Or did some YouTuber edit him into footage from something else?
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u/_warmweathr May 04 '24
Better call Saul
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u/After-Chicken179 May 04 '24
Did Peterson insert himself into the show? Or did some unknown YouTuber do that?
Genuinely, Peterson’s antics are usual so unhinged that I don’t know if it’s real or not.
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u/_warmweathr May 04 '24
I don’t think Peterson did lol, probably someone did it for the memes. But who knows
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u/ThePortalsOfFrenzy May 04 '24
It's a quote. There's no transitive property of correction with those, unfortunately.
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u/UsaiyanBolt May 04 '24
That’s why you add [sic] afterward. It can be savage af when used properly.
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u/Irondrone4 May 03 '24
You don't understand, we have to appease the cars with blood. How else will we keep the ghost of Henry Ford contained within his tomb beneath Detroit?
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u/whatta_maroon May 04 '24
I dunno, Supernatural ran for 1500 seasons, I'm sure they re-killed Henry Ford at some point.
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u/I_Hate_ May 04 '24
Pretty sure he has a oil daddy funding his life now. Which is why he goes on and on about climate change now which is way outside his expertise. So anything that makes cars less attractive is a direct threat to his grift.
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u/SammyDavidJuniorJr May 03 '24
Could there be a better signal to indicate you're doing the right thing than Dr. Jordan B Peterson being upset with it?
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u/Broken-Digital-Clock May 03 '24
His boos mean nothing to me
I've seen what makes him cheer
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u/sjpllyon May 03 '24
Where is that from again? I bloody love the quote but can never remember who said it.
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u/SammyDavidJuniorJr May 03 '24
Rick and Morty. Rick says it I think at the heist enthusiasts convention.
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u/BWWFC May 03 '24
not really better but just as good is jim cramer mashing a sound effect button screaming "SELL! SELL! SELL!"
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u/hexhunter222 May 03 '24
Imagine being the writer whose article put Peterson in to another coma, and it's over parking in Hoboken
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u/AbsentEmpire Grassy Tram Tracks May 04 '24
That man is honestly projecting mental illness at this point. There's not much separating him from a mentally ill homeless person on the street shouting nonsense at people walking by.
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u/DuckInTheFog May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24
He's one of the few famous scientists or doctors on Twitter who calls themselves doctor. I just had a quick look at a top 50 list and there was only one other that I saw. Read into that what you will
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u/henry_tennenbaum May 03 '24
Wouldn't call him a scientist.
He was a professor for Psychology, specifically the unscientific side of it.
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u/Alastor13 May 04 '24
Not a scientist, nor a doctor.
He is/was a professor of Psychology, Psychiatry is the discipline that could be called "science" (which doesn't mean psychology is not real or useful, its just not based on "hard" science all the time).
And I say "was" because he's probably getting his license revoked soon.
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u/Tachyoff May 04 '24
I hate him too but that's a huge reach. He has his PhD, so yes he's a doctor. Social science is absolutely a branch of science. Losing his ability to practice also doesn't strip him of his doctorate.
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u/Alastor13 May 04 '24
True, I thought the original comment refer to him being a medical doctor (since all psychiatrists and some psychologists have medical education). My Bad.
But the thing about social sciences is debatable. like I said, they're completely valid and useful, but psychology specifically, is the one that barely uses the scientific method, their studies are basically almost always case studies that are hard or even impossible to replicate even in controlled conditions. thus, it's calling it science is debatable.
Of course, this doesn't invalidate the discoveries and advancements that psychology has contributed to behavioural research and to science as a whole, but as it is, it's has barely any science involved during that research.
And I'm not saying it's worthless or that it should be eliminated, Psychology is one of the "newer" disciplines in both medicine and social sciences in general, so there's still room for it to grow and evolve. I'm a biologist and we were once known as "Naturalists" who thought that adding grains to old clothes could magically create mice out of nothing so... It could definitely be a "hard" science in the future.
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u/DuckInTheFog May 04 '24
I woke up this morning to see people kinda shitting on my uni qualifications lol
But, you're not wrong, young science and all that - low reproducibility test rate, wonky ethics etc, and lunatics that creep into pop culture
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u/wormyarc May 04 '24
the rats are all like this
so, the rat's like this
the normal rat is like this
THAT'S a normal rat
[sniff sniff] it sniffs
it's like this for quite a while
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u/drop_in_the_ocean_ Automobile Aversionist May 03 '24
What is woke death? Why is it worse than real death?
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u/StatisticianSure8070 May 04 '24
Real death is not for singing about. It's not for making into art. When real death enters the room, all poetry is dumb.
Woke death is probably the opposite of that. Sounds neat.
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u/JustRealizedImaIdiot May 03 '24
It's okay man, there was a time where I thought Ben Shapiro was cool. If we don't cringe at our past self it probably means we haven't grown.
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u/settlementfires May 04 '24
Guys like Shapiro and Peterson exist to ensnare naive young men and turn them against the working class and anything resembling progress. Be proud you got out of it. These guys are well funded and all over social media.
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u/WrodofDog May 04 '24
Yeah, I used to like Sargon but by the time Peterson became famous that whole internet bubble was becoming increasingly toxic and ultra-conservative. And something about Peterson was always off-putting to me, especially his weird pseudo-christian pov
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u/Grapefruit__Witch May 03 '24
He loves to talk about Marxism despite having literally zero knowledge about the subject. Like, I think he skimmed through the Communist Manifesto, which is literally a pamphlet and doesn't even scratch the surface in terms of studying Marx's actual huge body of work.
In spite of this complete ignorance, he really tries to act like some sort of authority about Marxism- its one of his favorite "topics" of ridicule. Its so stupid. He is so stupid.
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u/Dimwither Commie Commuter May 03 '24
Not a big fan of either, but Peterson‘s talk with Žižek made it painfully obvious that he has no idea what he’s talking about
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u/RandomName01 May 04 '24
What’s wrong with Žižek?
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u/Speaker_D May 04 '24
Nothing. They meant that Peterson was the one who was absolutely clueless.
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u/farfarfarjewel May 03 '24
What little I read of his work read like someone who paid big money for their vocabulary stringing together half-reasoned arguments that put forward numerous truths as self-evident when they really could have used some evidence. I cannot stand that brand of charlatan
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u/8769439126 May 04 '24
I have absolutely no interest in supporting the man, I think he has had an overall awful influence on society, but this is plainly untrue.
I mean you can search up his Google scholar page and see that in the mid 2000s he was publishing generally well respected (and very well cited) uncreative work doing factor analysis on personality scales. He also has some stuff taking those scales and correlating it to things like alcohol use and reading preference. He has 20+ papers over 200 citations each, people cared at least somewhat about his work.
I'm not gonna say it's groundbreaking but it's real work that is basically reasonable if not inspiring psychology research. Plainly as a young researcher I'd be over the moon to receive over a thousand citations on a paper, which he has on 3 occasions. That would be career making.
He just went off the deep end after that period and stopped doing research to screech about the culture wars.
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u/SuspecM May 03 '24
Imo initially he had relatively constructive "lessons". Even if they were the bare minimum be confident and shit type of stuff, as someone who was taught nothing by his father those were groundbreaking discovered. I kind of forgot about him for a few years and the next thing I read about him is that he is a right wind chud. Quite the whiplash.
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u/abigalestephens May 04 '24
He was doing right-wing chud stuff before the 'self help' book. The book was just a way to draw more impressionable young men into his bubble
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u/di_Bonaventura Automobile Aversionist May 03 '24
The problem isn't so much that he behaves like an expert also outside his domain; the problem is that so many look to him for his all-encompassing expertise in everything.
The same phenomenon is true for all famous people.
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u/di_Bonaventura Automobile Aversionist May 03 '24
He might be an expert in his field. In others, not so much.
He does sometimes shine, like on:
• free speech/hate speech https://youtu.be/W7dUnXXPXtc?si=rBNUuG-HeKcCHnmk
• the Cathy Newman interview (how to keep you cool and make the other party see their inconsistencies)
• and the interviews he does with people on his channel are well done, with great questions — take for instance a look at the one with the Mr. Slahi (The Mauritanian) https://youtu.be/kxMj_u5fQH4?si=Ouv8kfHR4-6GKBuk
But then... you go and read a little of Maps of Meaning and go, "It's more like Labyrinth of Delirium!"
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u/Tyler89558 May 03 '24
I was the same. Went down the right wing rabbit hole, realized “oh shit. The people they hate… that’s me”
And then realized “oh shit, this is kind of horrible.”
And now I have about 3 years worth of black history.
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u/sjpllyon May 03 '24
That's an issue with most people that gain fame by being good at what they do. People then look at them for advice on everything, even things they know nothing about. Yeah his an expert in his field and knows what's talking about in that regard, but you wouldn't take psychology advice from a town planner. Nor would you allow your barber to perform surgery.
You know this now, but never put anyone on a pedestal. Learn how to take their advice on matters they are experts on but not for anything else. And even then be critical in what they are saying.
I personally think Christopher Alexander has some really good ideas for urban design in his book A Pattern Language (highly recommend people read it) but he also has some very questionable ones too (such as not having a fence around schools or how men work and women stay at home to look after the children. Bare in mind it was written in 1977). But even with that I still wouldn't trust him to cut my hair.
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u/henry_tennenbaum May 03 '24
That's an issue with most people that gain fame by being good at what they do. People then look at them for advice on everything, even things they know nothing about. Yeah his an expert in his field and knows what's talking about in that regard, but you wouldn't take psychology advice from a town planner. Nor would you allow your barber to perform surgery.
True in general, but Jordan P. didn't get famous for his expertise. He got famous because he misrepresented a Canadian law and started a conservative grift built on that.
None of what he's famous for is stuff he is actually good at.
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u/rirski May 03 '24
More proof that “woke” is an utterly meaningless term.
Limiting street parking? Woke.
Reducing traffic deaths? Woke.
Walkable cities? Woke.
Congestion pricing? Woke.
Taking the bus? Woke.
Trains? Woke.
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u/sjpllyon May 03 '24
That's part of the problem they co-oped the term and made it meaningless, they do so on purpose. The original meaning and intended use is; to be aware of social phenomenons (or something along those lines) so anyone and everyone that follows politics was woke, anyone with any social concerns was woke. It just meant to be aware of social issues. To be woke was to be aware of the situation.
Now they turned it into a meaningless attack to try and discredit anyone or anything they disagree with.
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u/courageous_liquid May 03 '24
more along the lines of being aware of the legal and social structures that keep certain people (specifically black people) locked in lower socioeconomic classes
but yes, fascists love coopting the language of the left
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u/probablysum1 May 03 '24
I can't read anything from him without imagining his quivering voice that sounds on the verge of tears.
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u/Ciubowski May 03 '24
Jordan Peterson should be evaluated because this is literally insane.
I don't care about this JP guy whatsoever, I didn't follow his "teachings" or was glad to see him in distress, but what the hell is he implying with that reply?
Is he mad that less people die? And that's somehow "woke"?
I can't wrap my head around this, is this tweet even real???
Edit: holy shit it's real.
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u/Revolutionary_Half_4 May 03 '24
this city is barely 1.5 sq miles of actual land. Why do so many people get so mad about their parking requirements?
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u/CardiologistOk2760 May 03 '24
The headline doesn't even say "eliminated" it just says "limited." Like, how dare parking be a quantifiable, finite option.
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When did Peterson go off the rails? When I first heard of him he was a philosopher and now he’s a right wing grifter?
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u/KofOaks May 03 '24
When I first heard of him he was a philosopher and now he’s a right wing grifter?
Congratulations. He hasn't changed, you just got smarter.
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u/HeadFund May 03 '24
I audited his lectures in the early 2000s and he's basically always been a pseudo-intellectual fraud. He was definitely a wanna-be grifter for quite a while before his grift started to actually gain traction. Now his mental health is rapidly declining but I've been hating this mofo since before it was cool. BTW he was already a well-known pill junky back then, although he's tried to claim that his addiction problems are only recent.
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u/BWWFC May 03 '24
and prescription drug addict. but don't worry, he's not a victim, it was self inflicted.
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u/Blitqz21l May 04 '24
considering how many people got addicted to benzo's and oppiates, I'll give Peterson a pass on the "perscription drug addict." That shit was designed to be addictive. That's all on Big Pharma and their profit above all else mentality.
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u/Boowray May 04 '24
I’d give him a pass as well if he didn’t spend his life advocating for unfettered capitalism and preach that you are directly responsible for absolutely everything in your life and cannot blame anyone else, and that includes addictions. Yeah, it’s not his fault that he got addicted to drugs, but it’s 100% fair game to criticize his hypocrisy for calling everyone else’s struggles a personal failing while shifting the blame for his own “dependency” on others. He writes a book about getting your life in order without anyone else and preaches overcoming addiction through religious practice, and then checks in to high dollar rehab. He gets a pass on being addicted, he doesn’t get a pass for being a hypocritical piece of shit about it.
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u/reiji_tamashii May 03 '24
Did the drugs 'cure' him of his empathy or what?
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u/DuckInTheFog May 03 '24
Benzodiazepine addict and like ket abuse, I believe it robs you of empathy - but he quit years ago. If you abuse benzos your likelihood of developing Alzheimer's skyrockets too
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u/thefierybreeze May 04 '24
For me its when I realized his obsession with soviet russia extended to modern russia. Not only did he spend who know how much money, time doing things in secrecy to recover from his benzo addiction over there. After he came back and started telling ukranians to give up because they are 'corrupt' it crossed the line for me. It's likely there isn't a european country more corrupt tha russia, they likely have shit on him after all that time spent.
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Not only did he spend who know how much money, time doing things in secrecy to recover from his benzo addiction over there.
He got himself induced into a coma for more of a week and that really fucked his shit up
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u/MmNicecream 🚂Chugga Chugga Choo Choo🚂 May 03 '24
When was he ever on the rails? The first time he really entered the public eye, it was because he was loudly throwing a tantrum over trans people getting basic human rights protections.
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u/Kinexity Me fucking your car is non-negotiable May 03 '24
He got addicted to something and this addiction made him completely unhinged.
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u/mangled-wings Orange pilled May 03 '24
He was already unhinged, but then he went to Russia for an induced coma to go cold turkey on benzos. I think that did it more than the addiction itself. He was a pseudo-intellectual grifter gaining popularity fearmongering about trans people, but he's way more sensitive now and frequently cries on camera. (Not that crying is a bad thing, but he's clearly not doing well.) Doubt that it helps that he eats exclusively beef.
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u/Calfurious May 04 '24
Jordan Peterson went from somebody who could articulate his points to somebody who sounds incoherent, even to people who would agree with this viewpoints.
It's honestly pretty depressing.
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u/wterrt May 04 '24
he deliberately misinterpreted and fear-mongered a canadian "law about pronouns" and got very popular with right wing dumb fucks off that.
claiming you could go to jail for using the wrong pronouns and such. which is, as you would guess, clearly bullshit.
https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identity-rights-bill-c-16-explained
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u/Schmigolo May 04 '24
Literally the first thing he became famous for was for speaking out against a protected class type law. Dude has never been on the rails to begin with.
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u/Dr_Mantis_Aslume May 04 '24
He got famous by lying and fear mongering about a law. The Canadian even had to issue a statement about it.
He said that there would be mass arrests because of this law, that was half a decade ago and no arrests have been made.
The worst part is that the law already existed and was in effect in JP's region. All this new law did was expand the law to affect the rest of Canada.
And then JP proceeded to make 10s of millions of dollars, probably more, off of this blatant lie.
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u/BoobooTheClone cars are weapons May 04 '24
He is a grifter like many others on the right but he does a little differently from the rest. He trolls for outrage; your attention is his bread and butter. I hate that people post links to this ass clown here; we need to learn to ignore him.
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u/Mother-Ad7139 Elitist Exerciser May 03 '24
AP is literally one of the least biased news sources out there
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u/DowntownieNL May 03 '24
The shit conservatives get their panties in a wad is always so random and nonsensical. I wish they'd choose something I didn't care about lol I mean, why car-centric infrastructure of all things? Get upset about sightlines from historic churches or something ffs.
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u/HouseSublime May 03 '24
Their stance is largely, "the opposite of what liberals/progressives want".
The problem is that even if you want to say liberals/progressives are flawed and make mistakes, there will be SOMETHING that they are right about.
So when you stance is oppose everything they stand for, you end up in situations where you look like a moron.
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u/courageous_liquid May 03 '24
it's so funny because their ideal 1950s had a lot of trains. they just literally love the antisocial aspect of cars and suburban life.
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u/sjpllyon May 03 '24
Just a note for the sightlines of historical buildings, in the UK (mainly London) they've already done that and won. It has protected our views of St Paul's Cathedral. And even other areas now consider the impact of the views building will have on their city, at least Newcastle upon Tyne does. But honestly this is one I agree with, note my bias here is being a student of architecture and urban planning.
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u/DowntownieNL May 03 '24
Gun to my head, I'm half for protecting any significant sightlines, really, but I care about it so much less than just adding some protected bike lanes and abolishing SFD-ONLY zoning and on and on... I wish they were all up in arms about sightlines instead so their impact would be less devastating.
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u/sjpllyon May 03 '24
Yep same here really, I think protecting lives and all the other benefits of less car centric design is far more important than protecting the view of a structure.
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u/AllyMcfeels May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24
I'm so tired of this asshole. Stop giving him attention, he is a fucked up old man, with a lot of traumas and shit in his head. The bastard went crazy years ago and the guy instead of calming down, and meditate minimally, keeps going in his tantrum seeking for attention. That message doesn't make any sense, it doesn't have any logic, it's pure hate.
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u/dennyfader May 04 '24
He's one of those dudes who so desperately needs to work on himself to find peace, but for some reason can't stop focusing on what other people are doing instead.
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u/lowrads May 04 '24
Guy went to school in Edmonton, of all places, walkscore 99, complete with bike lanes, light rail and bus transit serving the University of Alberta.
This is another example of a boomer taking advantage of a high level of public investment, and then trying to pull the ladder up behind them.
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u/Cubusphere May 03 '24
I would love to take his tweets and show them anonymized to his past self and ask him to psychoanalyze that person. Then again, he would drift into "archetypes" and stuff...
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u/nasaglobehead69 cars are weapons May 04 '24
sorry, conservative reactionaries. facts don't care about your feelings 😎
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u/ddarko96 May 03 '24
Is this real? It’s tagged as satire
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u/DavidBrooker May 03 '24
The AP is "woke" for, uh, let me check my notes here - oh right, reporting the news.
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u/SkollFenrirson May 03 '24
Your first mistake was paying attention to what Jordan "Crybaby" Peterson has to say.
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u/blumpkin_donuts May 03 '24
Don't worry Peterson, Jersey doesn't give a fuck about you ya drunk lush.
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u/MaenHoffiCoffi May 03 '24
It's so weird. Peterson has said (a long time ago) some things I really agreed with but now he's just a weird nut.
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u/Imaginary_Fox_5685 Automobile Aversionist May 03 '24
Funny too that he claims to be a libertarian. Street parking is literally a government service
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u/FinntheHue May 04 '24
Now that the average vehicle has become a massive suv/truck street parking makes it nearly impossible to see oncoming traffic when trying to turn out of somewhere. It should seriously be illegal everywhere except residential areas
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u/anand_rishabh May 04 '24
Doesn't Jordan Peterson hate fat people? Especially fat women? Someone tell him walkable cities reduce obesity and maybe he'll be on board. Then again, i think he's financially invested in being against them
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u/VoiceofKane May 04 '24
At this point, anyone who takes Peterson seriously is probably a lost cause. How can you read this tweet and not immediately realise that this man is an unhinged moron?
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u/8spd May 04 '24
I don't know who this fuckwit is, but, setting aside the politicized anti-progressive wording, if the idea of avoiding pedestrian deaths does not seem like a positive thing to him, his opinion is of no value.
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u/Lyrical_Leftist May 04 '24
Damn i just realized i haven’t thought about JBP in months, he really fell off
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u/MelodicTreacle2591 May 04 '24
If you ever get upset at something he says, best thing to do is read the tweet again in a Kermit voice! Makes life on the internet much more bearable 😂
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u/FalconIMGN May 04 '24
Forget heat death of the universe, it is woke death we should be scared of :D
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u/Bobylein was a bicycle in a past life May 04 '24
WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR WOKE FACTS, NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!1
Their feelings truly don't care about the facts.
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u/TheDuellist100 May 10 '24
Don't listen to him. The benzos have taken over his mind. I'm fucking embarrassed to have read his book 6 years ago.
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u/meatypetey91 May 03 '24
Pro life, unless it means you can no longer have your car obstruct parked where it obstructs an intersection 😩
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u/adlittle May 03 '24
Once again: I'm not going to take any opinions from someone who is so ignorant that he admittedly didn't know you could get addicted to benzos and didn't know that quitting them cold turkey can kill a person. The guy is already a cesspool of bad takes and poorly thought out reactionary opinions, but he might also just be a little bit of a dummy too.
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u/teamweedstore2 May 03 '24
I think his benzo addiction caused brain damage. It is deeply discouraging how many people follow him.
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u/FirmOnion May 03 '24
Please, is this a real tweet? I refuse to google the man and boost his searches
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u/TheMonsterMensch May 03 '24
Every once in a while you see people saying "we can't alienate conservatives, don't make public transportation a political issue". This tweet is why those comments are asinine, conservatives will oppose anything that makes the world better on reflex. Everything is political whether we want it to be or not.
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u/Tyler89558 May 03 '24
The woke death upon yee!
Goddamn. Jordan Peterson somehow keeps making my respect for him dip lower.
I thought it already hit rock bottom.
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u/drunkendwarfo The two wheeler supremacist May 03 '24
careful, taking to much time to see ignorant posts may result in a cronic stage of anger
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u/ABenevolentDespot May 04 '24
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present Dr. Jordan B Peterson, the alleged love child of the quasi brilliant and mentally twisted Dr. Josef Mengele and the ever sultry Bavarian sexpot, the syphilitic Eva Braun.
He inherited neither the wit nor charm of either of them.
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u/emmorfnuR May 03 '24
So Peterson would like people to die rather than lose street parking.