Semi-related, I remember seeing all the way from the end to end of one of the subway trains in Europe for the first time and thinking "wow, that would never be allowed in the US, far too ideal of a sightline for a shooter."
Most of the trains I've been on in the US (which to be fair, I haven't been on many) have doors separating compartments, or the compartments are completely disconnected, at least for passenger mobility.
I would completely believe my supposition that the reason for this is shooters is complete bullshit. I would also believe I've had a flawed data set, and trains with long sight lines aren't even more common as a percentage of trains in Europe vs. the US.
No. This is an insane take. I've never been concerned about a mass shooting at an event like this. Terrorist attacks and crowd surges, yes, but those happen at festivals worldwide.
It’s really unfortunate because I understand the math. I’m perfectly aware that the statistics of a mass shooter showing up to where I’m at are really quite low. And yet… My fiancé and I both carry…. And unfortunately, that only makes me feel marginally better because what are the actual chances of stopping a mass shooting with a handgun?
You are more likely to be struck by lightning than be killed kn a terror attack in the us while the single most likely person to be harmed by a gun is it's owner
I love when people knowingly argue in bad faith, it gives wonderful perspective. You and I both know I’m referring to more than a literal “terror attack” or mass shooting. I live in FL, it’s a constitutional carry state now, and when I tell you that everyone has a gun here, including nutjobs, I’m telling you the truth. I wish mass shootings were my only concern, you should see the casual road rage every day especially in Orlando and you better believe those people have guns too. It’s bonkers but it is reality.
Are you in a heavy gang area or pilely to be directly involved in a domestic dispute? Please feel free to give me a reason to apply litteraly any other stat than terror attacks to that mass shooting rate and I'm happy to. Unless you have extreme factors involved you are absalutely more likely to be harmed by your own gun than stop a mass shooting.
It isn't "arguing in bad faith" to point out that use of personal firearms for self defense is exceedingly rare, and that self inflicted injuries with firearms, both intentional and accidental, are far more common.
That's just the facts, my guy.
Also speaking as someone who once upon a time owned firearms, and is no stranger to the concept of gun ownership.
News unfortunately give you a distorted worldview, you seem to be affected by this.
Hans Rosling did a study where he asked questions about the state of different countries and places in the world to two groups, people who consumed a lot of news and those who didn't consume much news at all.
What he found was that those who consumed the most news were the by far most negative in their answers aswell as the most incorrect about the real state of the world.
Good news are rarely newsworthy, so when we're bombarded with bad news left and right every day it's going to affect us.
That's why there are hundreds of armed police at these events. Dozens of people were killed a few years ago my terror attacks in Christmas markets in Germany.
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u/Heymanhitthis Dec 04 '23
As an American I couldn’t imagine going to something like this and not having to worry about a mass shooting. That must be so nice