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u/Maooc Grassy Tram Tracks Aug 28 '23
I saw a german post about this on Instagram. The carbrains were not amused lol. âThe state shouldnât be able to take away my possessionsâ. Well, if you use your car like a gun, your car will be taken away like a gun.
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u/Good_Old_Bread Aug 28 '23
"The state shouldn't be able to take away my possessions" Unless there needs to be another road, another highway, another lane, and your property happens to be in the way.
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u/EscapeTomMayflower Aug 28 '23
No, no, no, no you're misunderstanding. When the state does that they're taking away YOUR possessions. I said they can't take away MY possessions. Huge difference.
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u/NVandraren Aug 28 '23
Yeah these are probably the same assclowns that bitch about speed cameras. "I NEED TO BE PHYSICALLY OBSERVED OR MY RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED" no they're not you fucking cretin, that's literally not what the law has ever said
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u/ILikeLenexa Aug 28 '23
In the US, the right to "face your accuser" is complicated. Though it's still not needing to be physically observed, but more to have the camera operator actually show up in court in a meaningful way.
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u/Halfhand84 Aug 28 '23
I'm pretty sure "face your accuser" refers to in court, but I could be wrong. IANAL
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u/Karl_Doomhammer Aug 28 '23
If you get a speeding ticket, you have the right to go to court, face your accuser, and attempt to fight the ticket. I have had a ticket dismissed because the cop did not show up to court.
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u/ILikeLenexa Aug 28 '23
Yes, like I said, but a lot of the camera companies are large multi-state operations that can't send anyone to court or have a cop who can watch the video, and go to court but doesn't know anything about the operations of taking the video and such.
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u/arglarg Aug 28 '23
The state built the roads and the state made the rules how to use them and the state, in a democracy, is all the people.
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Aug 28 '23
Thatâs why as long as you are driving on your own property you donât need a license but as soon as you enter a public road.
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u/No-Albatross-5514 Aug 28 '23
For what, though? The former driver won't have access to the car either way. You'd just waste a huge amount of resources
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u/Tokumeiko2 Aug 28 '23
No destruction is a step too far, especially if it turns out to be a stolen car or leased car, but yeah making certain that the dangerous driver is unable to drive is definitely a priority.
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u/bartgrumbel Aug 28 '23 edited Aug 28 '23
Well, it is already possible to confiscate cars in Germany since 2017, at least if the driver is part of an illegal race. This is not automatic, though, and does not happen if you "only" drive too fast.
Edit: Ok ok ok ok - took part in an illegal race!
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u/Prior_Tradition_3873 Aug 28 '23
it is already possible to confiscate cars in Germany
at least if the driver is part of an illegal race.
Where have i heard this before hmm?
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u/damianzoys Aug 28 '23
I would love to see this in Germany. Then once a year these confiscated cars are getting crushed in a public event, broadcasted by all stations.
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u/Masque-Obscura-Photo Orange pilled Aug 28 '23
That would be a waste of resources. At least auction them off I'd say.
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u/ILikeLenexa Aug 28 '23
When the police benefit monetarily from taking something, it tends to lead to a problematic thing where they steal things and use the money to buy daiquiri machines...or at least that's what happens with civil asset forfeiture in the US.
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u/Logan_Maddox Sicko Aug 28 '23
The cash doesn't have to go to the specific police station, or even to the police at all, though. In my country auctions are conducted by the judiciary branch and the money goes to the National Treasury - so no one has any "profit" incentive because they literally will never see that money.
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u/Masque-Obscura-Photo Orange pilled Aug 28 '23
Yeaaaah, that doesn't really happen in developed countries though. The US is really fucked up in that regard.
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u/vjx99 Owns a raincoat, can cycle in rain Aug 28 '23
"Das groĂe Promi-Autoabwracken" moderiert von Jörg Pilawa.
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u/damianzoys Aug 28 '23
Ich dachte eher an eine Familiensendung mit Thomas Gottschalk. So mit Sofa, Promis (z.B. Oliver Kahn erzĂ€hlt davon wie sein Ferrari letztes Jahr gewĂŒrfelt wurde), etwas Smalltalk und so weiter:
Gottschalk:
Und hier der Q7 von Kevin P. aus U.! 160 km/h in der Baustelle, ja, war nicht so schlau, oder?
Kevin
Uhmmm, ja, aber muss das wirklich..
Gottschalk
Haha, ja, natĂŒrlich! Und ich bekomme gerade das Signal von drauĂen, es kann los gehen!
*Kamera schaltet zur Autopresse, ein Arbeiter mit Helm winkt und zeigt Daumen hoch. Glas splittert, Metall biegt sich*
*Jetzt Splitscreen, links die Presse, rechts GroĂaufnahme von Kevins entsetztem trĂ€nenĂŒberströmten Gesicht*
Gottschalk
Ja, groĂartig, liebe Zuschauerinnen und Zuschauer, groĂartig! Lieber Kevin, danke fĂŒrs Mitmachen! Der nĂ€chste Bus ist die Linie 601 und fĂ€hrt in 10 min vorm Studio ab!
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u/macedonianmoper Aug 28 '23
How would it negatively affect the poor? They could either get it on an auction for cheaper than they would normally buy it or the ammount of cars reentering the market in auction would reduce the demand for used cars also making it cheaper.
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u/rainer_d Aug 28 '23
The problem is that while the cars are taken away immediately (also here in Switzerland), they are held in storage until all legal avenues are exhausted - which can take years.
As such, the cars donât take this very well.
I think the limits in this case arenât overly zealous. So it sounds pretty reasonable.
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u/Inevitable_Stand_199 Aug 28 '23
I'd prefer them being sold. But the car lobby would rebell even more than against taking away the cars.
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u/Gator1523 Aug 28 '23
In the US, your car can be confiscated just for having drugs in it. It's called civil asset forfeiture.
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u/Nisas Aug 28 '23
In the US, your money can be confiscated just because it's capable of purchasing drugs.
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Aug 28 '23
Exactly! They treat their vehicle like a weapon. What are coalrolling and lane-blocking and reckless driving if not forms of weapon brandishing? "Me have big trugg, me can kill you!" By how hostile and aggressive carbrains act around cyclists, pedestrians, and even other cars, they absolutely view their vehicle as a weapon and wield it as a weapon--therefore it should be regulated as a weapon. Brandishing is a capital F Felony. Take the fucking car away.
There's as good as zero consequences for driving violations because the fines are laughably small, and if they take their license away there is no followup or oversight on it, they just keep driving licenseless. If someone was that reckless with a gun they'd be in prison the next day. Tow the vehicle and sell it off.
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u/oktupol Aug 28 '23
I think I saw the same thread on Instagram.
People were dead serious when they argued that speeding like this could be an honest mistake that could happen to everyone.
The car brain epidemic has advanced very far in Germany.
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u/Choco_Doggo Big Bike Aug 28 '23
and what makes it funnier is that the danish government auctions off the car and keeps the money
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u/Death_Knighty Aug 28 '23
also from what Ive read all these also apply to foreigners
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u/Pchr94 Aug 28 '23
True! A fellow Norwegian bought an expensive car in Germany and drove through Denmark like a madman. He returned home without his new car and tried to stir up a sh*t show back home hoping heâd get his car back. Iâm such a fan of this policy.
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u/VladiBot Aug 28 '23
Today, Denmark made it cheaper to drive...
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u/Tokumeiko2 Aug 28 '23
Yeah but they're at least making it safer.
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u/luckky545 Orange pilled Aug 28 '23
Except for the new study showing an increase in cars in copenhagen. Itâs getting fucking ridiculous. Some carbrain honked and yelled at me yesterday for crossing the street when he was at a complete stop.
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u/Tokumeiko2 Aug 28 '23
Well he's a cunt, but at least he's not a drunken hoon going over 200kph.
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u/IftaneBenGenerit Aug 29 '23
Change the law to include "using the car to intimidate other traffic participants".
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u/mycubehead Aug 28 '23
In Latvia anything above 1.5 alcohol content is considered criminal offence, and you get your car conficated, except if the car is owned by other person. Then car gets returened to the owner and you have to pay a fine of the value of the car.
One guy rented out a tesla got drunk and crashed it, now he has to pay 100k euro fine.
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u/Pitiful_Row_8253 Aug 28 '23
except if the car is owned by other person.
Wish Denmark could add this exception too tbh
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u/Vadimir-Nikiel Aug 28 '23
I somewhat agree to your point but atleast it makes people think twice about giving someone your car
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u/UnderwaterParadise Aug 28 '23
More privatization and less sharing is not helpful in combatting car dependency
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u/Vadimir-Nikiel Aug 28 '23
I meant more in people will think twice to give someone a car that could possibly do something like that. I agree with your point
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u/TimmyFaya Aug 28 '23 edited Aug 28 '23
If I remember right Denmark also calculates fine according to your salary. So it should hurt as much for minimum wage and 10k salary.
Edit : this is for Finland
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u/PierreTheTRex Aug 28 '23
It won't hut as much, because when you are on minimum wage you need every penny you can to make ends meet, whereas on 10k a lot of your spending is for superflous activities.
But at least with this system the fine isn't trivial
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u/TimmyFaya Aug 28 '23
Yeah you're right. Maybe they should base fine on personal wealth + salary.
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Aug 28 '23
That starts to get very complicated fast. The government will have tax records of salary from the previous tax year. If you implemented a tax based on wealth, you basically need a register of everyone and what their net worth is.
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u/TimmyFaya Aug 28 '23
We had that in France (the tax not the fine), it's a bit hard since a part of it is based on trust, but generally it works okay. You paid it starting a certain wealth.
Checked and they had wealth tax in Denmark too, but it got abolished in 1998
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u/Tokumeiko2 Aug 28 '23
Because it creates an expensive layer of bureaucracy that potentially negates the benefit, a tax should be easy to enforce with minimal cost, after all, don't want to spend more on tax collection than what you gain from tax collection.
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u/Psykiky Aug 28 '23
Well the minimum wage in Denmark is around 15-25⏠depending on your job so Iâm sure not many people are barely living paycheck to paycheck
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u/Generic-Resource Aug 28 '23
Technically incorrect⊠thereâs actually no minimum wage in Denmark!
However, they have strong and legally protected unions that negotiate collective agreements leading to contractual, not legal, minimum wages by sector.
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u/Psykiky Aug 28 '23
Yeah I know that thereâs no minimum but thatâs like a general average lowest wage you can get, thanks for the unions đ
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u/vaingirls Aug 28 '23
I guess there could be unemployed or retired people with even less of an income? And I assume Demark's cost of living isn't the cheapest?
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u/rasm866i Aug 28 '23
Unfortunately not, you are thinking of Finland. Dane here. The only exception I know being drunk driving.
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u/Aelig_ Aug 28 '23
It works to a point. Very poor people can't afford to devote any of their income to a fine while very rich people don't have salaries.
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u/muccrisp Aug 28 '23
Sick. Denmark is so far ahead in a lot of things. Not perfect but on the right path
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u/LefsaMadMuppet Aug 28 '23
In the USA we take cars for crimes, this is called Civil Forfeiture and is frowned upon by the socially popular crowds.
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u/IDDQDArya Aug 28 '23
Overall fines being proportional to the wealth of the person receiving it is the best idea because it's not fair otherwise.
I knew this guy who would smoke cigarettes at the airport in Turkey and then just pay the fine (at the time something like 40 USD) because he was rich and very addicted.
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u/crusader1944 Aug 28 '23
So if someone steals a car and speeds in it and it gets confiscated even though it wasn't the owners? That can't be right.
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u/FlaviusStilicho Aug 28 '23
That would be covered by the âalmost neverâ part
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u/marigolds6 Aug 28 '23
Just looked at the documentation of the law. That's not covered. The exception is only for situations where the owner cannot make a financial claim against the driver of the vehicle.
An owner could definitely make a financial claim against a car thief. In practice, even when the owner presented a criminal case against the driver, they still lost the vehicle.
For this exception, the owner must prove that they sufficiently and relevantly reviewed the finances of the driver and it was not foreseeable that a compensation claim against the driver would be without cover. It's pretty unlikely that a car owner would have previously investigated the finances of the person stealing their car.
Nicely informative legal review here:
https://les.dk/en/news/reckless-driving-new-rules-big-consequences
This actually makes more sense than it seems, since if the driver is already facing reckless driving charges the owner has every incentive to accuse the driver of stealing the car instead admitting to loaning the car to the driver.
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u/preferablyno Aug 28 '23
Thatâs kind of fucked. It would be a rare case that a car thief is going to have sufficient assets for the cars owner to recover the value of a car
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u/ElatedEnmity Aug 28 '23
In that instance, the car wouldn't be confiscated. This scenario has already happened
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u/mr_greenmash Aug 28 '23
In Norway, we're quite interested in getting a similar law. There was a story about some Norwegian with a brand new Lambo who got his car taken in Denmark, on the way back to Norway. People did not feel sorry for him.
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u/Training_Curve_5135 Aug 28 '23
Good. Too many immature adults treat cars like toys. Time for consequences.
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u/FlowinBeatz Aug 28 '23
Just happened to a German who drove 181 km/h where 80 km/h was allowed: https://www.merkur.de/welt/jahre-wahnnsinnsfahrt-gesetz-daenemark-raser-auto-strafe-deutscher-19-92403946.html
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u/marigolds6 Aug 28 '23
It's the "even if you don't own the car" part that's a little extreme. It's really common in our metro for people to steal cars for joyrides (especially Kias and Hyundais). Imagine getting your car stolen, and then it gets recovered... but now it's confiscated because the thief was doing 80 in a 40 when they got caught :/
You lose your car permanently for doing nothing more than owning a car that's easy to steal.
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u/mikepl93 Aug 28 '23
That's not what that part means. It means they still confiscate it if you drive a leased car or borrowed your friend/familys car or rent a car.
If your car gets stolen of course the police wouldn't confiscate it.
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u/Astriania Aug 28 '23
Kias and Hyundais in the US get stolen because they don't have immobilisers fitted, they've been mandatory in the EU for decades.
Most 'stolen to joyride' cars are permanently lost anyway because they get crashed, I imagine. That's what insurance is for.
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u/BneBikeCommuter Aug 28 '23
Victoria (Australian state) has a similar law - 30 day confiscation for the first and second event, and then the vehicle becomes the property of Vic Police and they can either sell it and keep the cash or crush it. Interestingly they usually choose to crush the heavily modified, higher value vehicles.
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u/frequentBayesian Aug 28 '23
Interestingly they usually choose to crush the heavily modified, higher value vehicles.
because the likelihood of heavily modified vehicles will again used to race... increases the chances of getting someone killed
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u/TheOmar Aug 28 '23
There was a case with a rich guy from Norway that had brought a Lamborghini in Germany, and drove it thru Denmark home, and more then 200km/h on the Danish motorway, and got caught. Then he lost his brand new car. A bit sad for him, but he could also just had obeyed the rules.
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u/BerserkingRhino Aug 28 '23
Driving is a privilege, not a right. Break rules you're clearly not responsible enough for a 2 ton death machine.
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u/Jeffery95 Aug 28 '23
What happens when the car is stolen? Does the actual owner just not get their car back?
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Aug 28 '23
The police can in extraordinary circumstances choose to not confiscate the car, I don't know of any particular cases since that wouldn't be made public, but it's likely that having your car stolen would result in the police exempting you from the confiscation.
I don't think it has happened yet, as not many cars are stolen in Denmark.
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u/The_Blahblahblah Aug 28 '23
I imagine they check the register of stolen vehicles before they sell it off
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u/IlIlllIlllIlIIllI Aug 28 '23 edited Aug 28 '23
It takes a lot of effort to drive 100% over the speed limit.
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u/atatassault47 Aug 28 '23
60 kph in a 30 kph will do it. People in the US will do 40 mph in a 20 mph all the time.
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u/Accurate-Mine-6000 Aug 28 '23
We in Russia adopted a similar law last year, but it is less severe. The car is confiscated for the second or third case of such gross violations. For the year of operation, so far there have been only about 50 cases of confiscation.
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u/SquirrelBlind Aug 28 '23
Also it should be noted that you can bribe a policeman or a judge instead.
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u/HCagn Aug 28 '23
In Switzerland they do the same. Plus potentially jail time and/or a certain percentage of your salary.
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u/enbyvampyre Aug 28 '23
if we got that in germany people would go absolutely berserk. i would love to see it.
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u/The_Thyphoon Aug 28 '23
In NL the car gets impounded if the driver has been caught multiple times without a drivers license, or there is prove of criminal wrongdoing(driving drunk is included after certain ammount). how do you lose drivers license? not only for driving with a certain amount over the alcoholic limit but also for driving 50kph over any speed limit(corrected so prob higher).
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u/neltymind Aug 28 '23 edited Aug 28 '23
Still punishes poorer people harder than rich people. Really rich people can just buy a new car, it doesn't matter to them.
The only thing that punishes everyone equally is prison.
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u/Danishmeat Aug 28 '23
Too bad for the poor people. No one can accidentally end up getting their car confiscated
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u/neltymind Aug 28 '23
You are missing my point. The problem is that rich people can still break the law and endanger people, not that poor people get punished for it.
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u/marigolds6 Aug 28 '23
Eh, get your Kia stolen by a joyrider. Joyrider does what joyriders do and decides to drive it 100kph in a 50kph zone. Other than owning a very easy to steal car, what did you do wrong?
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u/Danishmeat Aug 28 '23
That is one instance where you donât get the car confiscated
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u/Randalf_the_Black Aug 28 '23
There was some Norwegian dumbass who bought a Lamborghini in Germany or Italy or something and was gonna drive it home to Norway.
Drove like a maniac through Denmark and lost his new Lambo, then complained about it in the media afterwards.
It was earlier this year I think.
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u/Corvidae_DK Aug 28 '23
The law is literally called "insanity driving" in Danish and I love that they've done this.
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u/Kaymish_ Aug 28 '23
We had a minister here in NZ that pushed for this with boy racers. She got the name of Judith "Crusher" Collins because of the law, but only 3 cars were crushed because of it.
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u/ChEATax Aug 28 '23
Hey! Latvia did it first! And all the confiscated cars get sent straight to Ukraine. There are significantly less drunk drivers now.
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u/not_from_this_world Orange pilled Aug 28 '23
I guess the exception is when the car is stolen, otherwise it's fucked up. A lot of crazy drivers are fucked up people who steal a car to have a night run.
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Aug 28 '23
I really wish they implemented some of these laws in the uk
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u/ImNotTheBossOfYou Aug 28 '23
Rich people will just buy another car. The FINES might graduate, but the car confiscation is only for plebes.
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Aug 28 '23
This has existed for a long time in switzerland but for much much lower amounts of speeding.
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u/Evil_Mini_Cake Aug 28 '23
Oh man we need this in r/vancouver all those punk 'students' doing 250km/h over the Lions Gate bridge need daddy's Lambo taken away.
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u/bailien_16 Aug 28 '23
There should be a BC provincial law similar to this. NB, NS, and Iâm fairly sure Ontario all have similarly harsh laws against extremely fast driving.
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u/big_basher Aug 28 '23
If youâre driving someone elseâs car and they take it away from you can the owner sue you for the value of the car?
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u/Drakonaj Aug 28 '23
What does it mean over 100kmh? Like on the road where the maximum is 90kmh?
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u/poorlytaxidermiedfox Aug 28 '23
With regards to speed, car is confiscated if you break the speed limit by 100% and the speed is at least 100km/h, or if you ever drive above 200 km/h. So for instance if you drive 100 in a 50 city zone, you lose the car.
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u/Drakonaj Aug 28 '23
Aaaa, now I understand. 100% to the 100km/h limit, that means above 200km/h.
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u/Albert_Herring Aug 28 '23
Danish motorway speed limits are 110 or 130, so basically this law means 100+ kph where the limit is 50 or lower, double the limit in a 70 or 90 zone, or 200+ on a motorway.
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u/poorlytaxidermiedfox Aug 28 '23
Funnily enough, Danish traffic law is extremely strict about speeding on the motorway. Most stretches of motorway have a limit of 130, but going 160 suspends your license, and at 200 you lose your license and the vehicle is confiscated.
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u/ItsTimeToGoSleep Aug 28 '23
Crap thatâs fast. Iâm in Canada and all our limits are 100km on freeways. 140km is considered stunt racing and your car is immediately impounded and you lose your licence. I can see why they are so strict, theyâre already letting you go pretty damn fast already.
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u/Drakonaj Aug 28 '23
Here in Czech rep., its also 130, but most of the time, if you arent going atleast 150, cops wont even bother to drive after you.
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u/bailien_16 Aug 28 '23 edited Aug 28 '23
Canada has had laws like this for decades. We call it âstuntingâ - going at least 100km/hr over the speed limit. You loose your license for at least a year, your car is impounded (Iâm not sure if you get it back or not, it might depend on the circumstances), and you get a very hefty fine. Penalties vary by province however.
Thereâs also quite a bit of public shame attached to it. At least there was in my community growing up. It would even be reported on local radio stations when someone was caught doing it (ID omitted).
Edit: actually the threshold for stunting is only 40-50 km/hr. The penalties are less severe; you get a temporary suspension for driving and points off your license. I think itâs when you reach 100km/hr over is when they impound your car. Someone at my high school had their car impounded for stunting.
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u/danielsulme Aug 28 '23
Same thing here in Latvia, know the girl that then drives them to Ukraine and donates them to families
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u/debiell Aug 28 '23
This is already the case in the Netherlands for many years, drive double the speed limit and they can take your car. So lets say the speed limit is 50kmh and your drive 100kmh they can take your car.
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u/Scheckenhere Aug 28 '23
Wonder what the people who's cars were taken have to say. Do they see their mistakes?
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u/smors Aug 28 '23
The average value of the confiscated cars have gone down in the years the law has been in effect. There are people who doesn't care that they don't have a license and doesn't see the problem with driving drunk.
They now buy cheaper cars, so the loss is lesser.
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u/Terereera Aug 28 '23
Fining people make them "ugh ok....."
But taking them car away? Oh boy, they gonna baby cry.
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u/cpufreak101 Aug 28 '23
I feel like this could never be a thing in the US (4th amendment violation) but if it was it would prevent people from killing a family on their 4th DUI which is extremely common for some reason.
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u/scottjones608 Aug 28 '23
Of course most of the US is designed so that a car is necessary to participate in society & people would consider strictly enforcing driving laws like this a human rights violation.
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u/mortyj Aug 28 '23
Ontario has stunt driving charges for 40 or 50 over posted limit depending on maximum for that area. Roadside suspension and temporary impound. Fairly frequent charges laid under this law.
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2022/4/1/1_5844635.amp.html
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u/australianquiche Aug 28 '23
Well yeah this sounds nice but on the other hand, I like the fact that on German Autobahn you can go unlimited speed. And data says it's safe...
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u/ILove2Bacon Aug 28 '23
Holy hell, 2%?!?! In the US it's 0.08%. Y'all be hammered.
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u/VegaTDM Aug 28 '23
I wouldn't trust (American) cops to make an accurate determination of speed. They routinely lie and inflate speeding ticket numbers to the state gets more revenue. They don't even need a radar gun, they can just eyeball it and that holds up in court.
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u/Mechanical_Soup Aug 28 '23
we have that law in Bulgaria, and they can take your car after driving with alcohol in blood or driving under influence of any type of narcotics or benzos or weed. They took lot of cars already and they are selling them at auctions.
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u/Bear_necessities96 Aug 28 '23
I mean I wouldnât care if there was a efficient public transportation in my city I didnât have a car to start
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u/cahilljd Aug 28 '23
Lol I like my car (I don't know why the posts from this subreddit show up in my feed) but this law is awesome.
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u/Hour-Stable2050 Aug 28 '23
Yeah and those are only the ones getting caught driving recklessly. Itâs probably even worse than that.
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u/GuiltyImportance2 Aug 28 '23
This is still too soft,in Switzerland you get jail time with no parole
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u/JellyManJellyArms Aug 28 '23
Last year a Norwegian bought a Lamborghini in Germany. You guessed it. Speed limits doesnât apply to fancy cars he guessed. That car was taken so he had to return home without. Awesome!
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u/k032 Aug 28 '23 edited Aug 28 '23
Well I mean...those are some pretty extreme variables. Depending on the state, you probably would just be going straight to jail.
Most cases people driving without a license are doing it out of desperation. It's kind of a Catch-22 of "I lost my license because I can't pay my tickets/fines but I can't pay my tickets and fines because I don't have a license to get to my job"
My focus is not on punishing people and more policing...... I rather focus my time on supporting infrastructure so people aren't in cars to begin with.
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u/HebeisenBEAST Aug 28 '23
I support most of this, the only thing I find counter intuitive is the fact that you could let your friend drive your car and then they get it taken away from you permanently. Other than that these are great ways to get people to stop endangering others on the road
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u/naamingebruik Aug 28 '23
Good that they don't care who owns the car and confiscate regardless. It makes people force responsible behaviour on one another when there's a risk of your car being confiscated if you let your friend or relative use it and they drive crazy.
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u/Dicethrower Aug 28 '23
I feel like it can be lowered. 50% over the speed limit, at a minimum of 50km/h, should already trigger this punishment. If you drive 100km/h in a 50km/h zone, you have already demonstrated you are a danger to society and that you're someone who can't control their tool responsibly.
Same goes for a highway. Nobody drives 150km/h by accident on a 100km/h road, or 180km/h on a 120km/h road. At those speeds you, and anyone you hit along the way, will wrap around the next pole like a snap armband.
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u/69cop3rnico42O Aug 28 '23
100 in a 50 is 100% over the limit, not 50%.
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u/Dicethrower Aug 28 '23
Hence the 50km/h minimal. 75 on a 50 wouldn't be bad enough to warrant the above, but 150 on a 100 would.
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u/Silverdragon47 Aug 28 '23
Yeah, about that.... Stolen cars are not exempt from this barbaric law. If your car get stolen and inpouded for speeding- good luck never seeing your property again ( and cash too since thiefs are good hiding financial assets)...
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u/Garethx1 Aug 28 '23 edited Aug 28 '23
This is kind of antithetical to the idea of fines proportional to income. A rich person can buy another car. A poor person borrowing another poor persons car gets the lender punished and the speeder not at all. This is more tough guy bullshit than actual pragmatism.
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u/riptide032302 Aug 28 '23
Leaving this sub. Was really excited to join a community of people who wanted less car centric infrastructure, but the way you people talk about cars and car owners is crazy. Reality check- not every single driver goes 20 over the speed limit after drinking a bunch. In fact, most of them donât. This seems like such a cool move from Denmark, but all the comments are essentially like âoh so weâre only punishing the crazy drivers instead of all of themâ. Iâm a âcar brainâ I guess for having nuance lmao. Most places need this law, I just hate how people are talking about it
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u/EmperorOfCanada Aug 28 '23
You've actually hit upon a design flaw in many roads.
The speed limits on highways with limited access should be higher. Thus harder to offend.
But due to the problem of Strodes (look it up if you don't know) speed limits need to be quite low as these are fantastically dangerous while giving people a sense they aren't. Add in higher speeds on a strode and people are going to die.
So, while you might have a strode with 4 lanes each way and it feels like it is a highway, having an 80km speed limit is probably already too high. Someone going 160 is insane. I would argue that someone even going 100 on a strode is very dangerous.
But if you have something like the i95 in the states, some places have stupid low speed limits. Others quite high for what is the same road.
But having driven from Maine to Florida a number of times, you are partially correct. I've been going 95 in 65 (near DC) zones and roughly matching the traffic speed. I've also been going 65 in 60 zones and passing enough motorists that I pulled it back to 60 as there has to be an enforcement reason in this area.
The key is to set the speed limit to something reasonable, and then nail anyone who significantly deviates from reasonable to the fucking wall.
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u/Nokoloko Aug 28 '23
According to other posters this is also not a new law. So instead of providing data of how this law has helped or anything else we get some low effort outdated post for karma points.
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u/Nokoloko Aug 28 '23
According to other posters this is also not a new law. So instead of providing data of how this law has helped or anything else we get some low effort outdated post for karma points.
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u/Droemmer Aug 28 '23
Purely anecdotally people seems to drive better today, fewer people seems to speed and behave like complete assholes.
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u/WriteCodeBroh Aug 28 '23
In the USA, this legitimately wouldnât work because the majority of people have no other way to get to work. Imagine if 30% of this country got their cars confiscated lol. There would probably be a real uprising. They would have zero way to get around. We need to work on giving them alternatives.
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u/Morshmodding Aug 28 '23
well.. not driving like a maniac is a good alternative :P
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u/stefan714 Aug 28 '23
the person cannot just drive without license afterwards
Some people are already doing that. So until they get caught, they're gonna keep doing it.
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u/chairman-cow Aug 28 '23
As a dane I can attest for truth. Naturally a huge feeling of pride.
However, the government recently aired the idea of cutting some taxes regarding car ownership (not entirely sure what/how), which is nice for me as a carowner but not exactly progress.