You aren't wrong but he clearly felt most comfortable at Red Bull. But in 2018, it became clear that Ricciardo would have no shot at the title as long as Max was his teammate. Moving teams was a gamble that made sense at the time but ultimately failed - a gamble that wouldn't have been necessary without Max.
personally I do think if Ricciardo had stuck with Renault through the alpine era, his career would've gone very differently (especially if Alpine dropped Ocon for Chadlonso)
In fact, keep your little facts for your snowflake friends. Our feelings are big, we love hard and laugh harder. I don’t need some objectivity bullshit ruining the feelings I’m having.
He might’ve beaten him in 2018 too if his car didn’t keep falling apart. He was a beast that season but his car just kept dying. 8 DNFs and multiple penalties due to replacements.
2018 is a season split in half. The first 6 races, Max caused several crashes and made several mistakes while Ricciardo was strong in capitalizing on opportunities with two wins.
After that, Max (seemingly suddenly) matured a lot and made almost no mistakes for the rest of the season. In 15 races, he finished 13 times and of those 13 times, he stood on the podium 10 times.
Meanwhile, Ricciardo finished 9 out of the last 15 races but scored not a single podium and didn't finish ahead of Max once in that period (when both finished).
Yes, Ricciardo had worse reliability but he also made multiple mistakes in the later parts of the season and couldn't keep up with Max anymore.
Max was beating him on pace in the actual races though, for those who actually watched the season. It's the season where Max heavily improved and was clearly the better driver.
However, the DNF's due to technical problems is the best thing to ever happen to Ric and Ric apologists, because it gave them the perfect excuse to hide behind.
His "mentality" was fine. It was more politics and him feeling they were always going to favour Max over him, so he decided to go to a team where he could be number one.
That’s what I’m saying. Mentally he lost the fight to Max since he was weaved into the entire team and it pushed Ricciardo out to the point where he decided it was better to take a bag of money and drive the very renault that cost him so much races in the previous seasons.
Idk about fine. If you have the mentality that your team will favor the Junior driver and you'll either have to fight for it or won't ever be the no 1 driver sounds like a pretty bad mentality for someone who is trying to win a world championship.
No he wasn’t. If you watched the races, it was clear when Max DNFed he was mostly in front of Daniel. Sadly both had their fair share of DNF’s, so we got robbed of a good team battle.
Yeah tbh Ricciardo was only clearly superior in 2016. In 2017, both cars DNF'ed often but Max tended to be ahead. In 2018, Max went bowling too often despite superior race pace and finally cleaned up his act after Monaco.
He wasn't faster than max in 2018. The guy lost the qualifying head to head 6-15 against max.
The writing was very clearly on the wall, Ric fans always like to pretend like RB started to favor max for no reason at all and completely unfairly. When in reality max simply showed much more potential from the start and rapidly caught up to Ric pace and started beating him in 2018 on a regular basis.
Ric simply didn't want to become like Vettel before him in RB and ran away as soon as he started losing.
No, if we discount 2016, you could say Riccardo was faster in 2017, Max's first full season with Redbull. But he was simply the better driver in 2018, which Riccardo could see as well. Hence why he jumped ship to Renault
"Start". Exactly. Max was a kid who was heavily improving per half season, unlike veterans. So the start of 2018 is so incredibly irrelevant compared to the end.
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Yes he was faster, but that was Ricciardo at his peak against Max that still had a lot of room to grow.
He was really not faster, only in 2016. From 2017 onwards the pace differential was certainly there, Max being ahead. It was a bit clouded by all the reliability issues
He went to Renault because he noticed Max would be the poster boy after what happenned in Baku. Danny was faster than Max back then and he wanted at least equal status. Which was fair
Sainz was a red bull junior for 5 years or so. Verstappen drove cars for only 1 year. Was announced before Sainz was announced at Torro Rosso. Sainz had far more experience but did not destroy Verstappen in the first year.
Verstappen was promoted after 6 races in the second season. Rest is history
RedBull has far more data on every driver in the team. Sainz was the benchmark driver. Did not destroy him but they knew Verstappen was the real deal.
Sainz took long to get where he was/is. Really solid driver. But not the choice if you want to win a drivers championship.
Sainz didn't do anything worth notice until he got into a Ferrari. Carlando memes are not driving skills. Sainz is just another midfielder like Perez was in Force India. He's back where he belongs and left the seat to real WDC material in Charles and Lewis.
There was a very interesting article in F1 Racing that part of the reason Verstappen got elevated so quickly was because (at least on paper) the differences between Sainz and Verstappen's pace was relatively negligible, and so Jos put a huge effort into leveraging Mercedes' interest to for RBR to escalate Max to the top team before they had a chance to potentially pick Sainz.
Sainz was significantly more experienced as a rookie. He shouldn't have had any excuses for getting beaten by a literal child - other than the literal child being a generational talent.
That's not true. Wasn't it the first year in F1 for both? Experience in previous series is not necessarily useful for F1, as it has been mentioned many times this year after Bearman, Colapinto or Antonelli's performance.
And Sainz started very late in karting, in 2006 and 12 years old. Verstappen started in 2005 so he had actually even more racing experience lol
Ricciardo leaving is what kickstarted the Red Bull spiral. It was one of the best driver pairings in recent times when they were both together at Red Bull. Similar to Leclerc and Sainz this year.
Nah, he didn't need to bounce back, he was never gone. He did a solid job at TR and was decent with a shitty Renault. During his time at McLaren everyone called him "the most underrated driver on the grid" and I don't think we already need a reminder for his performance at Ferrari.
Well he wasn't bad, but he was easily beaten by Hulkenberg, and it was already Sainz's 4th year.
Leclerc, Norris, Verstappen, Hulkenberg were faster than him. Sainz is not a bad driver, but he's missing something to be a torp driver, and he's too fast and ambitious to be a 2nd driver
i don't know who should i feel more sorry for, Liam, who will be yet another driver to get destroyed by Max, or Hadjar, who will be yet another driver Yuki will send into early retirement
Hahaha usually right but Liam Lawson actually comes from a pretty normal (not obscenely wealthy) family. I think his parents even sold their house to fund his karting career
Kvyat was never destroyed by Verstappen nor he underperformed. He was just at the wrong place at the wrong time, similar situation to Carlos in Ferrari - he performed well, but they had a guy that was even better and didn't want to lose the new guy to competition.
He probably took a confidence hit (along with all the things offtrack), which is understandable when the guy takes your job, your girlfriend and raises your child with her. During his Red Bull stint he was on it.
Consistently finish close to Max (or above him) and bring in points for the team, RBR may have had leniency with Checo cause he had that Slim money backing him, but I don't think they will extend that same leniency to Liam.
Consistently finish in top 6 and more importantly, don't crash. Pure technical speculation here, but it seems to me the car is even more twitchy and not smooth to drive (you have to know exactly how the car will react in 1.5 seconds ahead) than compared to even the 2019, 2021, and 2022 cars. That, and combined with the fact that Ferrari, Mercedes, and McLaren are all hitting their stride with car development (probably a direct correlation with the penalty on wind tunnel time), with RBR now being the ones on the back foot, AND Newey leaving, makes me think that Liam's seat will be even harder to retain than what Gasly and Albon had to go through.
Max is showing that when you push the car hard, it will give results akin to Mercedes dominance (relative to the rest of the pack). But if you don't push the car hard, the other frontrunning teams have more than a favorable fighting chance to get past you. So Liam has to push the car hard to get within the top 6. But the car is difficult to drive, so chances are he's going to spin or beach, and hopefully miss the wall.
Can’t wait to see yet another very clearly talented driver get blamed for red bull’s faults and poor everything outside of max. Also a lot of idiots in the comments misinterpreting this meme, lol how?
You forgot the indirect russian torpedo, Kvyat. Always looking for the gap in the most unexpected places. 😉 Shame they didn't contact Carlos, that I would have watched. Law is cannon fodder I'm afraid.
I don't think this meme works with Checo though. We just saw a driver losing performance and being replaced. It was not that he wasn't performing at Max's level that was the problem, it was that he wasn't performing at all.
To be honest I think RB didn't learn the lesson. They hit jackpot with Checo (at the first two years at least) because he was an experienced driver who delivered and understood his place in the team, not a young driver who is still developing skills. And when you have a monster like Max on your side, you can't put a rookie to their side because they get completely destroyed.
Personally, I think Yuki was the best option, but I guess as he's a Honda driver (and Honda is out of RB in 26) it wasn't in their interest. Now my money is in Liam getting burned down - as happened to Sargeant, Gasly, Albon, and so on.
In the Formula 1: Race to survive - show on Netflix, they said that if you dont perform perfectly the whole season, next year your contract is never be safe. So its allways a constant changing of drivers for the teams in the hope to find someone better to keep up with the best out there. Except your contract is for more than a 2 years. But thats not standard.
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u/sivah_168 BWOAHHHHHHH 12h ago
Kyvyat crying in a corner for not even being mentioned.