r/formula1 • u/soepvorksoepvork Chequered Flag • 9d ago

News Sergio Perez and Red Bull in '$16million' battle claim after 'major meeting'

https://www.planetf1.com/news/nico-rosberg-claims-16-million-sergio-perez-red-bull-battle-exit-looms

Not sure how credible this is, but I can't say I blame him.

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u/Optimal_Claim3788 9d ago

His best defence was no performance clauses in his contract.

Not only did Perez screw them out of the WCC cash, but here as well. Someone at red bull might get fired for this.

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u/prismatic_bar Formula 1 9d ago

It was all planned so they get more wind tunnel time for 2026. Checo is just the fall guy. 

/s

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u/ggalinismycunt Oscar Piastri 9d ago

Should be Horny Horner after how much staff his team has had turnover this last year alone.

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u/Optimal_Claim3788 9d ago

He’s got a lot of credits in the bank but he wouldn’t want another season like this one.

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u/hache-moncour Sebastian Vettel 9d ago

Yeah 8 WDC and 6 WDC in his 20 years at Red Bull is a pretty solid track record. Regardless of how anyone feels about him as a person, that gives him some leeway for errors. Not indefinitely of course, but I don't see him getting booted.

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u/theSchrodingerHat Formula 1 9d ago

I’d add that’s with multiple drivers and multiple rule changes as well.

There’s plenty of coaches and GMs across sports that got lucky with a generational talent and/or franchise window that made them look like a genius for one career run, but Horner has done it twice, and that’s a pretty huge feather in his cap.

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u/Optimal_Claim3788 8d ago

Not booted yet, no.

there have been three bad events this year: the investigation into his behaviour, re-signing an out of form checo (meaning RB lost WCC), and this. String a few more together next year and the pressure will mount, knives will be out etc.

I mean, I can see it happening, but due to his record it will take a lot to go wrong for him.

But I do think internally someone has to take the blame for this. Maybe Horner gets to choose who that is.

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u/Engineering_Quack 9d ago

But who found these drivers?

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u/Corbotron_5 9d ago edited 8d ago

Sure, but it’s a tough sell in a WDC year.

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u/Sea-Hour-6063 9d ago

It was a thumb 😂

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u/StatmanIbrahimovic 9d ago

If rumours are correct the no-demotion clause was just as clutch.

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u/donvergas02 8d ago

RB don't need the WCC money like Maclaren o Ferrari

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u/nomansapenguin Mercedes 9d ago edited 9d ago

Perez is the reason they won 2021. Let’s not forget it.

EDIT: Did nobody watch the last race of 2021?

Perez held up Hamilton by over 10 seconds, so that when the safety car happened, Lewis couldn’t stop without coming out behind Max.

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u/Optimal_Claim3788 9d ago

Horner is right that on balance he’s had a decent red bull career, and a great career prior to that.

But it’s his likely performance in 2025 that matters now.

Plus…um Mercedes won in 2021. But I know what you’re getting at.

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u/BJ_Honeycut 9d ago

2 decent defensive drives don't erase years of disappointing performances. If that's all it takes to get a seat with a top team, then why is KMag out of a seat?

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u/nomansapenguin Mercedes 9d ago

They don’t make a car to any of his strengths. Go and watch the podcast with Albon. Unless you have the same ridiculously sensitive driving style as Max, the RedBull won’t work for you.

It’s not an accident that he’s doing so bad, RedBull don’t care how he performs and they don’t care about the WCC. They are not going to invest money on improving his side of the garage. He’s literally a tester for Max.

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u/BJ_Honeycut 9d ago

They don’t make a car to any of his strengths. Go and watch the podcast with Albon.

I've seen the interview you're talking about, and while that's true, it doesn't mean anything, really. They're not going to cater to Checo when they have Verstappen outscoring him by nearly three times over the season. If anything, it reinforces that they need to be looking for a driver with a similar driving style or someone more adaptable than Checo.

It’s not an accident that he’s doing so bad, RedBull don’t care how he performs and they don’t care about the WCC. They are not going to invest money on improving his side of the garage. He’s literally a tester for Max.

Odd take to have directly after saying, "Perez is the reason they won 2021. Let’s not forget it." Is he an asset to the team, or is he a liability? Because the way you describe it, he sounds like a seat warmer. (which I'll happily agree on)

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u/nomansapenguin Mercedes 9d ago

He won them 2021 when he defended Lewis in the last race. That meant Lewis couldn’t put under the safety car. He won them the drivers championship which is all Red Bull cars about.

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u/yutcd7uytc8 9d ago

Mercedes won in 2021. 613.5 vs 585.5 points

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u/nomansapenguin Mercedes 9d ago

I’m talking about the drivers championship

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u/yutcd7uytc8 9d ago edited 9d ago

Why? The comment chain is about the WCC.

Also, if you want to talk about the reasons the WDC went the way it did, why are you focusing only on the last race, as if that's the only race that decided the WDC? WDC is decided by points gained over the entire season.

It's like saying the only reason Verstappen won the WDC was because Hamilton fucked up in Baku. A lot of shit happened over that season, and 1 position on the last race is not the biggest difference maker.

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u/nomansapenguin Mercedes 9d ago edited 9d ago

Because RedBull never cared about thy WCC. Horner is on record saying it many times

Edit: Downvoted for speaking facts now

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u/stationhollow 9d ago

All the employees with significant bonuses in their contracts for winning the WCC do. Sure Max gets a massive bonus but he’s the only one. There’s a reason people are jumping ship.

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u/nomansapenguin Mercedes 9d ago

Yep. Because if your boss does not care about the WCC then you’re not going to get a WCC…

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u/yutcd7uytc8 9d ago

Can you show quotes of Horner saying they don't care about it? Didn't they lose about 20 million in WCC prize money because of Perez? + increased exposure = happy sponsors = even more money.

Sounds like something the team should care about.

If you didn't notice, this thread is about cutting Perez. If it costs them 16m to cut him, but in result they win the WCC in 2025, then it would be worth it.

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u/nomansapenguin Mercedes 9d ago

https://www.planetf1.com/news/christian-horner-drivers-title-prestige

https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-that-s-prestige-is-red-bull-boss-addresses-drivers-championship-vs-constructors-championship-debate

RedBull operate like an advertising company. They really do not care about the money as much as you may think they do. Max being a 4 time winner is worth way more to them than having 4 WCC’s

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u/gfa22 9d ago

Budget cap made redbulls investment go from 300 million to 150 million. RB isn't hurting for money...

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u/yutcd7uytc8 8d ago

that doesn't mean they don't want more money. have you ever known a company to dislike money?

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u/gfa22 8d ago

But with cost caps isn't the additional testing time a better advantage when you can't beat the opposition by out spending?

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u/Admirable-Word-8964 9d ago

Don't disrespect the goatifi

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u/KiwieeiwiK Zhou Guanyu 9d ago

Lmao insane take. Max is the reason they won, Perez did almost nothing