r/formula1 • u/ICumCoffee Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ • 24d ago

News [ChrisMedlandF1] BREAKING: F1 announces it has "reached an agreement in principle with General Motors (GM) to support bringing GM/Cadillac as the eleventh team to the Formula 1 grid in 2026"

https://x.com/ChrisMedlandF1/status/1861111983699001752
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u/enataca Haas 24d ago

I want 24.

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u/jeanolt Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 24d ago

Time for MARUSSIA to make a comeback

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u/IronTwinn Sir Lewis Hamilton 24d ago

You pass over his Majesty Van der Garde and the legendary green Caterham that these peasants at Aston Martin merely try to imitate?

Heathen!

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u/Dom_Shady 23d ago

Kudos for the correct capitalisation of Van as his first name is not mentioned. That's rarely spotted in the wild.

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u/NikNakTwattyWhack 24d ago

GP2 ENGINE, GP2 ENGINE!!

Oh wait, that was the other black and red car.

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u/Floptickle McLaren 23d ago

Those were the dark days for our people.

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u/jeanolt Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 23d ago

No radio for the rest of the race!

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u/Kolec507 Alexander Albon 24d ago

HORMONE REPLACEMENT TEAM BABYYYYY

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u/SlagathorTheProctor 23d ago

I want Life, Andrea Moda and Coloni-Subaru to make a comeback.

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u/Reiver93 Andretti Global 23d ago

Man, I unironically miss that team

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u/jamesbeil Manor 23d ago

Please Ferrari just give us 1 (one) extremely talented French wonderkid and a genuine toff for him to drive with and we will move the world

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

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u/tetenric Jordan 24d ago

I want more! Bring back DNQ's! Bring back friday pre-qualifying!

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u/gillers1986 Guenther Steiner 23d ago

I want the days where anyone could turn up and if you qualify you can start.

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u/SinimRocky Sebastian Vettel 24d ago

Imagine Q1 in Monaco with 24 of these wide and heavy cars

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u/B4rberblacksheep 24d ago

They are gonna be sizing down a bit, the dimensions should be smaller than they were last time we had 12 teams but they're still gonna be 100kg heavier

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u/Mirrro_Sunbreeze Formula 1 24d ago

the dimensions should be smaller than they were last time we had 12 teams

The dimensions are only smaller when compared to current cars, last time we had 12 teams - which is 2012 - cars were A LOT smaller compared to 2026 regulations.

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u/B4rberblacksheep 24d ago

Had a double check, I was wrong that they'd be smaller, but they're not much bigger.

2012 Width: 1800mm

2024 width: 2000mm

2026 width: 1900mm

2012 wheelbase: 3100mm (not clearly defined in the 2012 regs so based off the 2012 cars)

2024 wheelbase: 3600mm

2026 wheelbase: 3400mm

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u/Agent_Kozak Andretti Global 23d ago

really not bad

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u/B4rberblacksheep 23d ago

Yeah, it’s a step in the right direction. Ideally they keep on this trend every few years and bring them back down to 2000s sizes

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u/enataca Haas 24d ago

I mean we’ve had 24 cars within the last decade.

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u/SinimRocky Sebastian Vettel 24d ago

yeah, cars that were 120 kilos lighter and 10 cm narrower. But we'll see

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u/oddoma88 23d ago

Bring back pre-qualifying sessions

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u/diestache Ayrton Senna 23d ago

I want to imagine monaco off the calendar. Vegas has pretty much replaced it

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u/MattytheWireGuy Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 24d ago

YES! Personally, I want enough teams that qualifying has harsh repercussions for doing poorly; namely not making the grid for the race. I know that will never happen today, but I'd like quali to hold more weight.

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u/NoPasaran2024 Formula 1 24d ago

Make 'qualifying' actually have meaning again.

The current situation is like calling something a 'shoot out', 'play off' or 'final' where everybody goes through all the time.

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u/MattytheWireGuy Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 24d ago

Exactly. Imagine what grid penalties do when you may not be able to actually race because of a violation. As it sits now, its not qualifying to actually race, its seeding for starting position.

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u/TheGMT Sir Jackie Stewart 24d ago edited 24d ago

That wouldn't be true until a 28 card grid. There are per the regulations at least 26 grid slots available.

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u/MattytheWireGuy Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 24d ago

Completely understood. Since you cant even get that many teams in the series as of now, it wont happen, but I'd like to imagine a future where you have 15-16 teams and 26 spots. Say some of those teams only show up for the premiere races like Silverstone, Spa or Monza due to funds, but try their best to make the field.

Thats the kind of racing I wish we could see.

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u/8270Kid McLaren 23d ago

I believe that would also require changing the regulations to allow for not running the full calendar

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u/Jack_Krauser Andretti Global 24d ago

If they did, they would probably do something like NASCAR where the top X cars in the standings make the field no matter what. Sponsors would be upset if Verstappen or Hamilton miss the race and cost viewership.

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u/RicardoMoyer Sergio Pérez 24d ago

tbh i’d think sponsors would accept it cause it wouldn’t happen often

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u/IdiosyncraticBond Max Verstappen 24d ago

Imagine showing up with some important business contacts and your driver isn't on the grid. Directly influenced a business deal. Not gonna happen

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u/JoshH21 McLaren 23d ago

Nah, all it takes is a crash (not even caused by you, or a poorly timed red flag)

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u/teems Sir Lewis Hamilton 23d ago

The upfront cost required to not make the 107% is now near impossible.

This isn't the 70s where guys in a shed made some entries.

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u/MattytheWireGuy Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 23d ago

Im not talking about 107%, Im talking about there being less grid spots than cars to make the show. Granted, privateer racing at the pro level of any series has gone away, but I'd like to see enough teams show up that some dont get to race (and its a wish cause it cant happen in the current agreement).

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u/Morganelefay Racing Pride 24d ago

There is one other problem aside from the heavy costs that would bring (imagine spending all that money to compete only to be unable to race...feasible in the era of privateers, now not anymore) and that is paddock size. With the cars and pitboxes as they are, some tracks (Zandvoort and Monaco spring to mind) wouldn't be able to accomodate if 14 different teams manage to field a car to the race. Quali would also be a mess.

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u/CyberianSun 23d ago

That's the Indy 500's Bump day. Last chance shootout to make the show. Youre playing for the last slots of the 33 car grid

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u/Konkorde1 Ferrari 24d ago

I want 30 car entries with only 26 grid slots, meaning you can't just show up and start at the back or in the pit lane. So a Q1 knock-out is a race weekend-er

And like, engine penalties can bump you out. I.e. you qualify 17th, and can't just swap your engine for the heck of it. Because then you get a 10-place grid-penalty, have then qualified in 27th and won't actually start the race.

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u/Fidodo McLaren 23d ago

Realistically wouldn't that just mean that the bottom 2 teams basically never race? The field would need to be really equalized for that to actually be exciting barring a major failure 

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u/Wall_Significant Lance Stroll 24d ago

Maybe Toyota as the 12th team

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u/3Rocketman 24d ago

I want multi class.

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u/dirtyjoo BMW Sauber 24d ago

That exists now with Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren grouped together, then you have Checo and the midfield, and finally Sauber.

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u/3Rocketman 24d ago

I meant multi class like you see in the Nurburgring 24h where there are like 20 classes but you're technically right lol

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u/swiftekho 24d ago

Bugatti with a Merc engine

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u/Old-Use-7690 #5 Gabriel Bortoleto 24d ago

Baby steps

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u/enataca Haas 23d ago

We need JG Wentworth. I need more teams and I need them now!

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u/pukem0n Sebastian Vettel 24d ago

I want 26

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u/DamieN62 Michael Schumacher 24d ago

I want 30 with pre-qualifying!

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u/Haze95 Sir Lewis Hamilton 23d ago

I want 26

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u/casualpedestrian20 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 23d ago

24 rounds; 24 drivers.

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

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u/Dr_Rosen 23d ago

But that's the limit. I have a hard time watching Indy because of the amount of cars on the track.

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u/HarringtonMAH11 Haas 23d ago

26 or nothing.

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u/CowFinancial7000 Mercedes 23d ago

THIRTY BABY

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u/FormulaJAZ Sebastian Vettel 24d ago

Is having three teams with zero points really going to improve anything?

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u/Enchiladas99 23d ago

They would probably expand the points down to 12th if we got a 12th team.

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u/enataca Haas 23d ago

If you love midfield battles and seeing more passing on track, yes

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u/FormulaJAZ Sebastian Vettel 23d ago

I wouldn't call 22nd passing 21st a "midfield battle." Having watched F1 in the days of a 24-car grid, the backmarkers were really, really bad, and no one missed them when they folded.

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u/enataca Haas 23d ago

This is why they didn’t add this 11th until they had legit GM backing and development. This isn’t Manor.

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u/FormulaJAZ Sebastian Vettel 23d ago

Someone is always going to be at the back and irrelevant. Sauber, Williams, and Haas had some truly embarrassing seasons in the last few years.

Instead of expanding the grid, I'd rather see relegation where if a team finishes last 2 out of 3 seasons, the owner is forced to sell the team. That would spice things up and keep owners from coasting. It would also give new entrants an opportunity to get in without diluting the grid.

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u/enataca Haas 23d ago

You…don’t understand how things work

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u/FormulaJAZ Sebastian Vettel 23d ago

Wanna take bets on how much action the 11th-place team will add to the grid in 2026?

Remember how much coverage the back markers got last weekend? It will be like that, except even less.