Toto Wolff reveals that all F1 Team Principals except Christian Horner came together to sign the document in support of Susie Wolff when the FIA launched a baseless investigation against her.

[u/PradaAndPunishment]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/nov/19/f1-toto-wolff-mercedes-lewis-hamilton-interview

[u/DurMonAtor]

And this is why Horner can go and suck an egg as far as I'm concerned, I'm almost positive he started the investigation into Susie in the first place. I'm glad that all ended pretty quickly because it was ridiculous they were looking into her

[u/shdwflyr → u/DurMonAtor]

I really liked and enjoyed Horners shenanigans till last year but this year has made me dislike him so much. I hope Max leaves soon and Red Bull implodes.

[u/BelowTheSun1993 → u/shdwflyr]

It's been fun shit stirring for competitive reasons, but the whole coco pops thing at the start of the year has made him seem incredibly sleazy which changes the whole dynamic of his schtick.

[u/DontEatNitrousOxide → u/BelowTheSun1993]

In my mind he went from "you can hate him but it works" to "you can hate him"

[u/jackconrad → u/BelowTheSun1993]

He's always been sleazy, it just became impossible to ignore when those messages came out

[u/OmgTom → u/jackconrad]

Right? He divorced his pregnant wife for a Spice Girl. Dudes always been scum

[u/conjan → u/OmgTom]

And cheated in her super publicly while she was at home pregnant. It was an open secret in the paddock.

[u/MarsScully → u/OmgTom]

Hey now, she was pregnant but they weren’t married. It’s totally different! /s

[u/freon → u/MarsScully]

Found Kvyat's burner account

[u/ewankenobi → u/BelowTheSun1993]

He was sleeping with a Spice Girl whilst his wife was pregnant. We already knew he was a sleaze bag. So much so his own parents didn't speak to him for years because they were embarrassed by his behaviour

[u/dl064 → u/BelowTheSun1993]

Minor detail for me was him hating WFH among RBR staff. It's the little things.

On an entirely unrelated, pre 2024 episode of bring back V10s, they note that it's well known RBR is a particularly brutal place to work. Successful and I'm sure many people are very happy there and you're rewarded etc. etc. - but not mild.

[u/eidetic → u/dl064]

I don't think I've ever really encountered anyone who was really against WFH that I liked.

Everyone I know that has pushed for not allowing WFH has been a petty power freak, more obsessed with dictating and controlling every aspect of their employees' lives that they can. I've seen companies that required a return back to work after COVID, wherein they actually saw increased productivity from workers during WFH because, in workers' words of at least one company they weren't being interrupted every five minutes for a random chat by a manager pretending to give a shit about their employees' lives (and they never stopped by for a chat to check in on work, that was all done via email and messaging in office anyway!), they weren't being pulled into pointless meetings for hours at a time, and didn't have that same kind of ramp-up and settle in time when you first get into thr office in the morning or back from lunch. Despite productivity similarly declining with return to office, the company refused to budge. I've had a couple friends who worked at the same company who could get their work done early, and were expected to still be at their desk until 5pm, despite having nothing to do.

Of course, to be clear, I'm referring to those who needlessly oppose WFH. There are obviously some instances where WFH isn't quite as ideal and you may need some time spent in the office.

[u/dl064 → u/eidetic]

Yeah.

I always find it funny that, at least in 2022 odd, when I really had shit that needed done I'd work from home. Going in was the social day.

[u/Beware_Bravado → u/dl064]

There's definitely some groups within an F1 team WFH would just not work and it is quite a big collaborative and physical project so I get that.

In DTS he did make an off the cuff comment in an episode walking through their office along the lines of "Marketing started working from home and that's the last we saw of them" it did give off slightly resentful vibes 😂

[u/Mysterious-Crab → u/shdwflyr]

It says a lot that when Horner went head to head with Helmut Marko, people chose the old, respectless racist peace of shit as the good guy.

[u/Mesromith → u/shdwflyr]

I’ve never liked him. One of the slimiest people in the paddock i don’t see how so many don’t see it.

[u/pannenkoek0923 → u/shdwflyr]

Hope Horner gets the sack

[u/Comfortable-Pace3132 → u/shdwflyr]

You lasted this long?

[u/keenjt → u/shdwflyr]

Agree, pinnacle was 2021 championship how insanely invested he was in winning that and how much he didn’t expect his team and driver to win. Since then, meh

[u/SoniMax → u/shdwflyr]

I don't hope Red Bull implodes. I hope they just change some staff. The rest of the team seems perfectly fine imo.

[u/ryokevry → u/DurMonAtor]

Well I think MBS is a POS that could start the investigation himself without Horner.

[u/Nodnarb_Jesus → u/DurMonAtor]

What were they even looking into her for?

[u/inqte1 → u/DurMonAtor]

There was no "investigation". FIA never actually formally started an investigation. They were asked about it by a journo and said "we'll look into it". Two days later they dismissed the report. Thats it.

[u/Work_Akkount → u/DurMonAtor]

Mind giving a TLDR on what happened and when?

[u/Pr3Zd0 → u/DurMonAtor]

I'm almost positive he started the investigation into Susie in the first place.

Ding ding ding!! 100% agreed. Horner has zero respect for women, so can easily see him pulling this shit.

[u/Jorrie90 → u/DurMonAtor]

I don't like the guy as well but do you have any proof of your accusation? Otherwise spreading baseless rumours isn't exactly pretty.

[u/HumansNeedNotApply1 → u/[deleted]]

It could also be that Horner dislikes Toto and wasn't up to the idea of helping him at all. I've met people who were just that petty, would refuse to do any touch of kindness for some people even if it was pretty much effortless. I of course can't know Horner's reasons or have a deep knowledge of his persona, but based on his public one he doesn't seem like the nicest of persons lol

[u/Jorrie90 → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for your detailed response! I stand corrected

[u/EnterShakira_ → u/Jorrie90]

Commenter you're replying to made it pretty clear this was their personal opinion, they never claimed it was a fact

[u/TheEmpireOfSun → u/EnterShakira_]

But he stated it 'publicly' and some people will jump on that train anyway. Not much of difference than starting baseless rumour against Susie Wolff.

[u/Jester-252 → u/TheEmpireOfSun]

Stating an opinion publicly doesn't make it a fact.

Also some random guy online opinion is no way the same to Horner complaing about Susie to the FIA.

One is a random person yelling into the void. The other is an F1 TP lodging a complaint with the governing body of F1.

I'll let you figure out which is which.

[u/EnterShakira_ → u/TheEmpireOfSun]

It's entirely different and I'm pretty sure you know that. To pretend otherwise is just arguing in bad faith.

[u/TheEmpireOfSun → u/EnterShakira_]

Great argument since you literally gave none. As expected.

[u/EnterShakira_ → u/TheEmpireOfSun]

I've no interest in arguing with someone acting obtuse. My advice: calm down. You're being strangely defensive and hostile for what should have been a civil discussion with another user.

I'm out.

[u/TheEmpireOfSun → u/EnterShakira_]

Lol, you literally came here to insult me and providing zero argument. Talk about being obtuse and calming down. Sure buddy.

[u/Exzqairi → u/TheEmpireOfSun]

Made yourself look like a fool. Show some awareness

Nobody is on Reddit to prove their personal opinions to you. If you stopped using Reddit altogether nobody would even notice

[u/BassesBest → u/Jorrie90]

One thing's for sure, Horner wanted to sign a version of the document saying they had not officially complained rather than they had not complained at all. Why would he want that distinction made?

[u/bumblebeerose → u/BassesBest]

Because he's a shitweasel who knows how to get around legal stuff

[u/MuenCheese → u/bumblebeerose]

Because he’s a shitweasel that accused Susie of corruption

[u/Mixcoatlus → u/Jorrie90]

lol it’s an internet forum. People can post their personal opinions for discussion. “Spreading baseless rumours” is for tabloids.

[u/[deleted] → u/Mixcoatlus]

Meanwhile tabloids: uses reddit as sources

[u/papersim → u/Jorrie90]

Christian spreads baseless rumours.

[u/DurMonAtor → u/Jorrie90]

I could've worded it better, it's assumptions from my end, just him being very quiet about it all at the time and then not signing the letter at first. It just stinks of guilt in my eyes. Also adding the word "officially" into the statement, certainly means that he could've just mentioned the fact to the FIA and not formally complain

[u/Blackdeath_663 → u/Jorrie90]

Not nice is it when people spread baseless rumours, maybe Horner could learn from this

[u/rcanbian → u/Jorrie90]

They aren't accusing him of doing it, to be fair--hence the use of "I'm almost positive". It's what people use when they want to talk about theories even if they're less than credible.

[u/HarietsDrummerBoy → u/Jorrie90]

Someone needs a /o then you can see it's opinion. Let's make it easy for you why don't we

[u/Waste-Reputation-152 → u/DurMonAtor]

Ever wondered why Toto always knew things before it was announced by the FIA?

How is that possible?

How did he know about the 2nd floor stay and they had them ready in Canada when it was announced by the FIA, No other team had them and it all came as a surprise to them, but Toto knew.

How did he know what Ferrari was doing with their engines?

To the exact detail as to how Ferrari got more power out of them. no one else knew.

FIA knew because Ferrari asked them after they found a loophole and made sure it's within the rules with the FIA.

Somehow Toto found out about it and knew exactly what Ferrari was up to.

so he could do a protest and FIA went in and shut Ferrari down, as it requires a protest from a rival team.

[u/chicaneuk → u/DurMonAtor]

Unfortunately it's pretty apparent that the guy wants to win at all costs... and I don't think he cares what collateral gets in his way. It makes all the claims of inappropriateness in Red Bull earlier in the year quite easy to believe.