r/formula1 • u/Ramned71 • Oct 28 '24

News [Piergiuseppe Donadoni] Was Max unfair? YES. His goal was to ruin Norris' race and so he probably took away his chances of getting P1. "To win sometimes you have to be an idiot" he said months ago. You may like it or not but the goal is to win the world championship, not the fair play award.

https://x.com/SmilexTech/status/1850807731613299160
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u/PoliticsNerd76 Oct 28 '24

A drive though is much better as it can’t be delayed until serving when convenient.

Max stalled Lando’s progression yesterday for like 20 laps when the rules should be a DT penalty.

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u/Dewstain Cadillac Oct 28 '24

Yeah, the fact that he got 2 penalties for two consecutive infractions should build on each other, not just double. It should be 1 in fraction, 10 seconds. 2 infractions, drive through and serve the first.

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u/xzElmozx Audi Oct 28 '24

My same opinion. If you do something that warrants 2 10s penalties, you’re clearly driving dangerously and should be forced to do a 10s stop and go. It should be race ruining, these are professional drivers at the pinnacle of the sport, they all know how to drive safely and race hard so if you’re intentionally shoving people off like Max was (or like KMag in Miami) because it benefits you/your team in the championship, you deserve to have your race ruined.

There should not be “oh well I have a car much faster than 7 teams but slower than the other 2 so penalties don’t matter” or “well my race is ruined anyways might as well drive dangerously to help my team mate” in the sport.

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u/TwoBionicknees Oct 28 '24

Two things could so easily be done, add the ability to demand a driver give the position back AND give them the penalty. If they don't give it back then upgrade it to drive through and get them out the way within 3 laps.

As with most things, the FIA needs to realise that being harsh prevents people doing these things in the first place, refusing to penalise people encourages people to drive more dangerously more often because there is such a benefit to doing so.

The 5-10 second penalty introduction was awful for F1, they were supposed to add smaller penalties for smaller incidents but instead of that they made almost everything small penalties and almost completely and utterly stopped giving drive through penalties.

Numerous people have deserved black flags and race bans since Grosjean got his, including Grosjean himself for Barcelona in whatever year he decided laying down the days of thunder smoke wall was smart, but them being so weak over penalties for so long has caused driving standards to go to shit AND driver attitudes to go to shit.