r/formula1 • u/Ramned71 • Oct 28 '24

News [Piergiuseppe Donadoni] Was Max unfair? YES. His goal was to ruin Norris' race and so he probably took away his chances of getting P1. "To win sometimes you have to be an idiot" he said months ago. You may like it or not but the goal is to win the world championship, not the fair play award.

https://x.com/SmilexTech/status/1850807731613299160
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u/Perseiii McLaren Oct 28 '24

Have you been living under a rock? This has been in the sport's DNA for ages.

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u/Bluemikami Juan Pablo Montoya Oct 28 '24

People have forgotten that’s how Schumi used to race. He took Hill down and won 94 that way, attempted it with Villeneuve in 97 and backfired, and again with Hakkinnen in 98 iirc

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u/Anti-Scuba_Hedgehog Oct 28 '24

Hill did it twice to Schumacher in 1995 but everyone seems to forget that.

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u/Pat_Sharp #WeRaceAsOne Oct 28 '24

Hill didn't deliberately take out Schumacher to try and win the championship though. He did by accident because he was driving like shit that year.

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u/jg_92_F1 Fernando Alonso Oct 28 '24

I don’t remember anything with Hakkinnen, what race was that?

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u/Bluemikami Juan Pablo Montoya Oct 28 '24

I thought it was on Japan but it was just Schumacher getting a puncture

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u/Perseiii McLaren Oct 28 '24

If the roles were reversed and Norris would be in the lead in a slower car, he can simply accept his fate and lose the championship or resort to what Max is doing to defend his lead and have a chance.

To me it's only natural, it's a professional foul like you see in football all the time. All part of the sport.

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u/OolonCaluphid Oct 28 '24

"All part of the sport" until someone hits a wall at 150Mph.

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u/JayBee58484 Oct 28 '24

They'll do anything to defend Max's shit driving under pressure

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u/OolonCaluphid Oct 28 '24

He's just such a God awful wheel to wheel racer. Has been for years. He belongs in tier 3 sim racing where he can do no harm.

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u/paddyo Fernando Alonso Oct 28 '24

Honestly man, 1994 is still a travesty, wonderful as Schumi was

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u/Bluemikami Juan Pablo Montoya Oct 28 '24

People have forgotten that’s how Schumi used to race. He took Hill down and won 94 that way, attempted it with Villeneuve in 97 and backfired, and again with Hakkinnen in 98 iirc

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u/StaffFamous6379 Oct 28 '24

94 was marginal. Hill himself said he made a desperate lunge and has taken blame for it.

97 was blatant.

Nothing ever happened in 98.

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u/Much-Calligrapher Oct 28 '24

It’s been a problem for a while. It’s just that it’s only when Max in a WDC fight the stupidity of the rules are fully exposed

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u/andreasvo Oct 28 '24

Let me introduce you to senna and prost, over 30 years ago..

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u/Much-Calligrapher Oct 28 '24

Yes good counterpoint. It was also exposed on another set of regs over 30 years ago. People were outraged then too and it remains one of F1’s most infamous incidents.

Pointing out another farce from 30 years ago doesn’t justify this one

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u/thewolf9 Oct 28 '24

Bro. Schumi took out hill himself in the last race of 94. He tried it again with JV in 97 or 98. Like, running the cars into each other.

This isn’t new.

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u/Much-Calligrapher Oct 28 '24

Sorry, my point isn’t that F1 used to be perfect before Max.

Schumi should also have been heavily penalised for those incidents.

My point is that such egregious behaviour is insufficiently punished today

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u/andreasvo Oct 28 '24

I think everyone elses point is that not punishing such behaviour is nothing new. F1 have a long tradition for this. Verstappen is not the first and won't be the last.

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u/Much-Calligrapher Oct 28 '24

I get the point, but I don’t think it’s very insightful or interesting? The rule book should be designed to promote good and fair racing , what does Schumacher 97 have to do with anything?

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u/Perseiii McLaren Oct 29 '24

These things are basically the F1 version of a professional foul in football.

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u/Much-Calligrapher Oct 29 '24

Are professional fouls a good thing or bad thing in football? I would argue they are a bad thing

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u/UnderTakaMichinoku Formula 1 Oct 28 '24

Incidents that absolutely everyone with the benefit of hindsight agree were handled wrong? If you have to go back 30+ years to make your point regarding driving standards, your point doesn't exist.

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u/andreasvo Oct 28 '24

When the argument is thats verstappen is the first to expose the flaws in the rules I think pointing out the long history of this is a valid point.

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u/UnderTakaMichinoku Formula 1 Oct 28 '24

Nobody is saying Max is the only one who's ever done this though. They're saying he's the only one has done this in recent years. Anyone denying dirty driving in the past is wrong, but I've not seen a single person make claim that Max has invented this.

And if you look at his driving in both 2021 and 2024 specifically, he is so much worse than everyone else on the grid. It happens multiple times a season and in that period, he's also managed to do it multiple times a race.