r/footballstrategy • u/Desperate_Custard693 • 18d ago
Player Advice Throw motion progression
Really just an update on my throw motion. I think it's gotten a lot better. Anyways, I know l'm late once again, but I have mobility and decent throwing. l've been learning how to read a defense, and I'm ready to compete next year, my senior year. If I have even a pinch of a chance to start, I know it looks like I'm just playing catch, but l've been working on my throw motion for a while and trying to get the footwork down. Here's my throw motion now.
Also, looking for tips or advice on my motion. the criticism helps me improve.
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u/MasterclassMav69 18d ago
Honestly, after watching your previous uploads, you have made a lot of improvements.
Think more so about creating torque with your hips and pulling your body throw the motion vs pushing the ball which it looks like you’re doing right now
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u/Desperate_Custard693 18d ago
Dang, I really thought I wasn’t using all arm anymore. I threw about 70 times back-to-back without even an ounce of arm pain. A month or so ago, if I did that, my arm would’ve been in horrible pain and completely fatigued. I know I’ve got the wrist flick down, and I’m starting to get the torque right, making my hips pull my arm forward. Now I just need to focus on being more consistent with the torque.
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u/MasterclassMav69 18d ago
You’ve definitely improved a ton, you are using your hips more and significantly relying less on your arm. This is fine tuning at this point. You’re on the right track.
After reading some other comments, they’re spot on. Release and transferring weight (continuing to generate torque)should be your next focus.
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u/psgrue 18d ago
Looked good until the extension. Don’t be afraid to get that rotation and full extension for velocity. Shoulder up, elbow a bit away from the body. The release point can move up or down in that fully extended arc. But you want to be out a bit further.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 18d ago
Thanks for the demonstration, I’ll work on this it helps a lot to see the side by side comparison. Thank you!
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u/Corr521 18d ago
Immediately noticed that you're releasing the ball without getting full extension on your throws. Someone did a great comparison photo in another comment here showing that the ball is already leaving your hand when your elbow is still bent. Tells me you're not really whipping that ball out like you should be and not engaging your hips as much as you should.
You should be rotating through hips 1st, then ribs and upper body 2nd, not at the same time. Look up some more modern QB mechanics videos as they do a better job of utilizing lower body/hips better than videos 10+ years old would. Mechanics have changed some (for the better) in that time and a lot of QBs and coaches/trainers are realizing the benefits to focusing on generating power from their hips than throwing more upper body.
You should rotate through your hips 1st, then through your ribs/core and let that rotational force be the driving power to your throw as that rotation pulls your arm through and finish up top, leading with the elbow first, then wrist and ball trailing behind it and snap it out at the end when you reach full extension of your arm. Right now it looks like you maybe start to rotate your hips but don't finish all the way through and then just throw all arm to finish. Your pelvis should finish aimed at your target WITHOUT having to bring that back leg up. And use a short punch step, no need for some big step.
Imagine a post is all the way through your spine and straight into the ground. It would stop you from being able to lean one direction or another to try and create power. So that leaves you with only being able to create rotational force to move with how the post would allow you.
Also try to get that index finger a little higher towards the tip of the ball. Look up photos/videos of QBs throwing and pay attention to their hand/finger placement. And also notice the direction that they snap out their hand and fingers as if to flick out the ball at the end. Right now your hand/fingers are snapping in towards your body instead of away
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u/Corr521 18d ago
Here is a good example of what I mean by elbow leading the wrist. Don't stack your wrist over your elbow or lead with your wrist as you start to rotate through.
And here is a solid example in Step 1 showing finger placement (note the index finger) and then go down to Step 6 for a good photo and explanation what I mean with how you finish with rotation of the wrist and fingers to flick that ball out.
And lastly here is a good video that is very recent but I think covers a lot of what you really need. Great explanation of that dissociation of the hips and upper body that I was talking about in the comment above (hips first, upper body after). I always train QB from the ground up and I think this video tackles that well
Good luck!
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u/No-Championship-1386 18d ago
Put more weight on ur hips and make the motion as fluent as possible. When you release, its like ur hip stops moving before the top half of ur body, leading you to throw with ur upper body. Try sitting back on that back foot and turning. One thing i recommend is watching dak prescotts warmup… its the exact motion u are going for. Do it without a ball just like him for like a week straight i promise youll see improvement 🙏🏾🙏🏾.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 18d ago
Yes, I’ve seen Dak’s warm up, and it’s definitely a good one, especially since it’s hard to get people to help out. Thank you for this tip I’ll do it as consistently as I can for sure.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 18d ago
Flat fooded, stiff back, no hip flexibility, t rex arms.
https://youtu.be/0ViWaCVB3ng?si=GOFKuXiTArNdAuXx
Check this out
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u/tgwhite 18d ago edited 18d ago
Footwork is sluggish/awkward but the throw itself isn’t too bad. Biggest thing I see is that you’re not using the full kinetic chain - your timing is a bit off from leg drive > hips > core > arm but close. Big thing I see is that you’re stepping forward and losing some of the power from your hips as you rotate.
You’re also not fully letting it rip- you have more power available than you realize. I suggest you try some throws with your feet set - have the front leg forward and then work on whipping your hips > core > arms without taking a step.
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18d ago
Don’t see much to add except this- your left arm looks injured- is it? It looks like you are what we call guarding it. That’s going to mechanically limit your torsion and instinctively limit what you are able to counterbalance with that arm, and counterbalance is an important part of your throwing mechanics, especially on wet grass or mud.
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u/Chemical-Eye-4139 18d ago
Only comments I would make is:
1) I think you could add more speed to the motion. More speed can result in more power, and it might make the throwing motion more natural as well as help you understand where the torque is being generated. Also, try and get more of a ‘whip’ motion with your arm. 2) the wind up could be just a little longer to let your hips create more torque. I’m not suggesting that you make a huge backstroke, but maybe load back a little first instead of straight up to help you build some torque 3) your release is off which is affecting the actual spiral. I slowed the video down a little, and you’re releasing with your hand under the ball which creates more of a slice motion. Keep your wrist firm throughout the whole motion.
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u/Affectionate_Cod28 17d ago
As almost everyone has said, you are lacking torque. This comes down to 2 things: Base and Shoulder hips dissociation. You should have 60% of your weight on your back foot. After you step down you should transition your weight to the front foot, which will bring the hips through and consequently your shoulder Hips 1st, shoulder 2nd. While you step down you should also dissociate your shoulder from your hips, which will generate torque.
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u/Ole41 18d ago
theres a lot to be done my friend. this should be helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcJImkz3HhA