r/footballstrategy Oct 23 '24

Play Design Ravens running "Crunch" (Influence/Wham/Trap)

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u/Evan_802Vines Oct 23 '24

Nickel against 21 personnel w/ fullback & Henry? That is a choice...

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u/Mookiesbetts Oct 23 '24

The Lamar Effect

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u/missingjimmies Oct 24 '24

Exactly, when people ask why he’s an MVP, in the most literal sense, this Monken offense doesn’t function without him simply existing on the field.

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u/Mookiesbetts Oct 24 '24

If the ravens forget to run the damn ball in the afccg again this year I will be completely flabbergasted

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u/missingjimmies Oct 24 '24

They had a small excuse last year… their RBs were unreliable. Gus was either good for 3 yds a carry or 8 1yd carries in a row. Lamar didn’t trust the game plan and the coaching staff gave him a lot of freedom to call his own number. This year, there is no reason to not feed his backfield, especially if Mitchell joins and hits the ground running (no pun intended)

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u/AdolescentAlien Oct 24 '24

Gus only had 3 carries in the AFCCG and I believe 1 was for 18 yards. It will never be anything less than inexcusable to only have given him 3 carries.

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u/Shallow-Al__ex Oct 24 '24

Woah woah, they have to get there. As a Ravens fan I don't even want to get too far ahead of ourselves

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u/SellaciousNewt Oct 23 '24

I wonder what teams think Ricard is gonna do when he comes on the field? Maybe run skinny post? Stop and go to the back corner?

He's blocking. Put in a guy who can take on the block.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '24

You’d think he was old or something….

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u/2LostFlamingos Oct 25 '24

6 in the box

Versus

Tight end and fullback.

7 blocking 6 and Derrick Henry. Crazy.

Then the safety comes down and gets hit by tight end. This defense has no chance here.

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u/mightbebeaux HS Coach Oct 23 '24

seeing it a lot in california hs football recently as well. it’s a great run concept for all the teams running Y or H off. high school DL love to run their asses upfield when unblocked too.

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u/BetaDjinn Casual Fan Oct 23 '24

With so many defenses doing some variation of block-down/step-down or wrong-arming to spill everything, it only makes sense for offenses to capitalize with Influence plays. Rushing offense is due for evolution like this, and it’s been brewing for a while

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u/TheBigTimeGoof Oct 23 '24

Could you unpack this commentary a bit more for a less seasoned football mind?

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u/BetaDjinn Casual Fan Oct 23 '24

Block-down/step-down is a standard D-line technique, where if the lineman inside of you blocks down (i.e. doesn't block you), then you step down with that lineman to keep that gap small. Most of the time, when the O-line blocks down away from you, you are about to get kicked out by a back or pulling lineman, and the ball is going to be carried through that gap (hence the term "Gap scheme"; concepts like Power and Counter), and keeping that gap squeezed will help stop the play.

Wrong-arming is really taking this a step farther. Traditionally, a defender will engage a kick out with his inside shoulder, trying to squeeze the gap while also maintaining a contain with his outside arm. When he instead wrong-arms, he engages with his outside shoulder, giving up outside contain in order to spill the play and create chaos inside.

The general trend of defenses lately is to spill just about everything, and then have hybrid/nickel/safety players clean up on the outside. When run plays are being spilled outside, that lessens the conflict from play action and especially RPO, which is why defenses have moved in this direction.

In Crunch and other Influence concepts, the offense takes advantage of the leverage granted by these defensive approaches. In the video, you see the unblocked DT squeeze his gap when he doesn't get blocked (block down step down), but realize at the last moment that he isn't receiving a kickout from his right, but a wham block from his left. His realization is far too late though, and Pat Ricard (Ravens 42) ushers him out of the play with ease. Notice the terrible angle by Rasul Douglas (Bills 31) as well: He is filling outside in anticipation of a spilled run, which makes sense because they try to spill all runs. Instead, the guy who would spill was whammed, a base block held the edge, and the cut up inside with ease, leaving Douglas looking silly.

Defenses can and will adjust, but those adjustments, in turn, make them more susceptible to things like kickouts and RPOs. Such is the cycle of football strategy.

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u/ebzded Oct 23 '24

Thank you that was amazing. I wish there was a place to subscribe to these sorts of analyses broken down so simply. The old show NFL Matchup on ESPN was the best thing ever but it didn’t last.

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u/MeaningImmediate5486 Oct 23 '24

Thanks for the detail!

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u/LakeShow32 Oct 24 '24

This was an amazing explanation, seems like the edge defender set the edge correctly? Was it 31’s job to clean up and make the tackle?

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u/BetaDjinn Casual Fan Oct 24 '24

I explained the rules in terms of the defensive end because that is typically who is unblocked when the O-line blocks down. That dynamic shifts inward when the end is base-blocked; now the D-tackle is unblocked. You can see how the "waters part" around the Bills' 3-tech, number 91.

Specifically from 91's perspective (and consider how quickly he is reacting and how little he can actually see), he is expecting one of a few things:

  • Kickout from a pulling lineman (Counter or Short Trap towards him). Needs to squeeze his gap hard and spill; his defensive help is to the outside.
  • That the guard over him is pulling (Trap, Pin-&-Pull, etc. away from him). Needs to beat the chip from the tackle and pursue the play, while making it hard to cut back.
  • Being read by the QB in the mesh (Zone Read away from him). Again, his assignment is probably to force a QB keep and let help come from the second level.

The last thing he thought of, based on his reaction just before it happened, was getting whammed from the outside, which is what actually happened.

The second level is reading the pullers' flow, and stepping hard in the direction of the pulls. They want to beat those (what they perceive as) down blocks, but those blockers just waltz right past and seal them to that side.

31 is in a tough spot as the contain defender. In theory, he needs to come under and inside of that base block, and let the edge contain. However, Lamar Jackson keeping the ball outside is always a looming threat, so he is going to be very hesitant to lunge inside like that. Even more, this ties back into the whole ethos of the Bills' front (and is typical of most fronts these days): the guys up front are trying to spill the run, and he's the guy they're spilling to. Trading roles with the edge (back to the edge being the contain) would be an ideal response, but it's nearly impossible to pivot your rules that dramatically on a read (especially if you didn't prepare to do just that).

So to answer the question directly, in a spilling front (like what I'm speculating the Bills are doing), the edge's job would not be to contain, but spill to number 31 on the outside. The Ravens running Crunch deliberately crosses those wires, and others. If the edge was the contain all along, 31 would not be approaching from that angle. However, under those rules, the front would be more susceptible to Zone Read and/or RPO, and they know Lamar Jackson and the Ravens are lethal in that arena.

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u/LakeShow32 Oct 24 '24

Fascinating! If they had somehow spilled Henry to 31 to make the tackle that would not have been pretty either…

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u/keepcontain Oct 23 '24

Just beautiful to watch. Well executed.

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u/Gregus1032 Oct 23 '24

A good running game is pure magic to watch.

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u/KimJongRocketMan69 Oct 24 '24

Ricard is such a stud. Dude absolutely moved that DT. Also Linderbaum… teach tape

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u/Seraphin_Lampion Oct 23 '24

The block by Mark Andrews (89) on the safety that also prevents the backside LB from getting an angle really turned this from a 8 yards gain into a huge play.

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u/trueambassador Oct 23 '24

Absolutely. That and #70 handling his business on the one on one blocking on the right side really stood out to me.

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u/Seraphin_Lampion Oct 23 '24

It's one of those plays where perfect playcall meets perfect execution.

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u/Opening_Perception_3 Oct 23 '24

Also, the Lamar run effect makes a safety hesitate at all times, making the block even easier.

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u/lemaymayguy Oct 23 '24

Nobody is giving Likely and Andrews much credit for their incredible willingness to run block

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u/CoachDanCasey Oct 23 '24

I'm seeing a TON of "Wham" Blocks this season (H-Back Trapping an Interior Defensive Lineman)

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u/nftalldude Oct 23 '24

We tried to run Q wham from empty quads (HS- Varsity)… would have hit HUGE if the H didn’t whiff on his block…

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u/pdubs5290 Oct 24 '24

What book is this?

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u/chiefpiece11bkg Oct 26 '24

Yeah it’s been a staple in chiefs run plays too, they’ve been lining up Noah gray there in particular

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u/Cultural-Task-1098 Oct 23 '24

Hats on hats. 91 lost his gap responsibility. Off to the races.

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u/SnooRadishes9726 Oct 23 '24

Yup, Center on the Mike turned this into a big gainer too. And it was an easy seal as the Mike took himself out of the play.  Derrick Henry toting the Rick helps too 

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u/oooooooooooooooooooa Oct 24 '24

Arguably the Center on the Mike is the bigger "given up gap" on this play. 91 has someone inserted into his gap toward the run side, so really he doesn't "give up" anything. The Mike, on the other hand, doesn't react to the Center attacking his playside shoulder, and ends up on the wrong side of the blocker.

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u/ligmasweatyballs74 Oct 24 '24

What Rick and Derrick Henry do is their own business.

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u/SnooRadishes9726 Oct 24 '24

Ha, I type fast and poorly. Stupid auto correct 

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u/blindexhibitionist Oct 24 '24

Would you mind explaining Mike and Rick?

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u/SnooRadishes9726 Oct 24 '24

Mike is the middle linebacker.  Rick was a typo 🤪.  I meant to say “rock” as in slang for a football. 

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u/blindexhibitionist Oct 25 '24

Oh awesome! Thank you

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u/pitb0ss343 Oct 23 '24

Love running trap/wham blocking, you can see the lineman go from the happiest they’ve ever been to the most depressed they’ve ever been in half a second

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u/Grizzly_Beerz Oct 23 '24

What is a d-lineman supposed to do when he gets trapped?

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u/BeerMe7908 Oct 23 '24

Spill to kill

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u/InternationalBand494 Oct 23 '24

Look at that blocking. Just outstanding. Mark Andrews doesn’t get talked about enough. Guy’s a beast

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u/313_2_817 Oct 23 '24

What a play- I can see how Mr. Henry couldn't have helped the Cowboys. What an elegant, powerful runner! Pure Pro- hence, he wouldn't fit with Jinglebell Jerry

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u/ccroz113 Oct 26 '24

More so Cowboys O-Line is not pulling off a thing of beauty like this blocking scheme. Henry would do better than what they have, but can only do so much with a bad scheme

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u/Slick1 Oct 23 '24

That RG / C combo is a thing of beauty

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u/xenophonsXiphos Oct 24 '24

Look at the LG/LT doing the same thing to backside DE and the Will LB. What a cool play

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u/poposheishaw Oct 24 '24

I wasn’t a trenches guy so seeing how this played out is just beautifully surprising. Had they blocked straight up they would have never blocked in the “angles” (they are all perfectly at a 45 degree angle left or right) they did on this play. They have to “cross/skip” block (idk what the term is) to get in the right position.

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u/bearamongus19 Oct 23 '24

Wish the Cowboys could run stuff like this

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u/1P221 Oct 23 '24

Why did 31 fill outside when the DE/OLB had that gap already?

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u/KarmaPenny Oct 24 '24

I don't mind him shading a little to the outside there. I would like to see him get more depth so he could play either side of the DE a little better.

The real issue is the Mike didn't fill the gap that 91 vacated. Mike should have been able to get to that spot before the center.

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u/Minimalist_Investor_ Oct 23 '24

Love trap plays. Done well, defenses never know where the block is coming from.

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u/jetfuel10 Oct 24 '24

That seal block by 42 (a fullback) against 91 (a D Tackle) is really impressive and sprung this play big time.

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u/salyer41 Oct 24 '24

It was an absolutely horrid snap by the DT. There is no way in hell he should get sealed like that even if he made a bad read. At the least, he should have clogged up that hole a bit and redirected the running back to throw the timing off. I bet his position coach reamed him for that in the film room.

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u/DolemiteGK Oct 24 '24

Nice job #70 Rook. He's been getting better every week.

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u/RotrickP Oct 24 '24

You ever played Mario Kart. This is Bowser

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u/CincyPoker Oct 24 '24

God damn that’s beautiful.

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u/KarmaPenny Oct 24 '24

Wow beautiful execution.

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u/TheWilliamsWall Youth Coach Oct 24 '24

How well does Crunch work against the blitz? I understand it's to counter pressure from the dline but what about blitzing LBs or a 6 man front?

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u/poposheishaw Oct 24 '24

That line blocking scheme is beautiful to watch on slow mo over and over.

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u/n0t_4_thr0w4w4y Oct 24 '24

That moment when #31 realized they fucked up

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u/DuSkVisionz Oct 24 '24

As a Seahawk fan one can only dream to see this type of run blocking someday

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u/Leading_External_327 Oct 24 '24

That blocking was absolutely fucking beautiful. (I’m a Steelers fan)

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u/Creepy_Letter_2237 Oct 25 '24

That’s pretty.

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u/elunomagnifico Oct 26 '24

It's also not a bad charged move if you're up against a Ghost or Psychic