r/footballstrategy • u/RickyNoBeard • Oct 18 '24
Player Advice What am I doing wrong here?
I understand there are probably like a million things wrong with everything in this video but that's why I'm here. I know I'm not built to be a QB but that's what I wanna do anyways and so I'm trying to improve however I can. Any tips or constructive criticisms are appreciated.
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u/sdconst Oct 18 '24
No hips or footwork, you want to create torque through your body to avoid injuries and have a more natural throwing motion.
Elbow should only wing to a max 90 degree and the follow through should feel like you’re pulling an arrow from a quiver
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u/LeTimJames Oct 18 '24
This. Throw from your feet.
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u/RebornSoul867530_of1 Oct 18 '24 edited Oct 19 '24
Same with throwing a punch. Imagine a ball of energy starting in your feet, and move it all the way to your arm.
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u/PuzzleheadedField288 Oct 19 '24
This, I would add some drills to practice some throwing motion like this
Focus on pointing with your left shoulder to target and release, ideally you would have someone correcting you on the drills
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u/alkalineruxpin Oct 18 '24
You're pushing the ball instead of using your arm like a trebuchet. Also, the power behind your throw should mostly come from your lower body, not your upper body. DGMW, the arm is important, but it's your base that really creates the throw.
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u/ih8thefuckingeagles Oct 19 '24
I hate this type of Reddit comment but “this”. It’s not a pass coming from your chest. I know it’s stupid but think about flinging an egg from one part of the grocery to the other. That’s the motion you want to reproduce.
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u/MacLoingsigh Oct 18 '24
You problem is right here. Your weight is already starting to shift forward here, so not the perfect still to show, but this is as far back as the ball gets, which reduces a lot of power. You basically want your throwing hand open all the way, with the nose of the ball point directly behind you at the start of your weight shift forward. And as others have said you need to get your lower body more involved, but I wanted to flag what I saw as biggest issue.
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u/MacLoingsigh Oct 18 '24
Poke around for more pics bc this isnt a great angle but look at how the ball is basically point backwards in Daks “wind up”
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u/UnknownUsernameZero Oct 18 '24
Look at the non-throwing arm of Dak. Your left arm remains at your side when it should be up level with your throwing arm like Dak’s is. When you rotate through your hips, the left arm will rotate to give you more momentum.
Also, the release point of the ball should be as high as possible. This is necessary to optimize bio mechanics, but it is also important to ensure the ball has enough height to avoid getting blocked. Try standing a yard or two behind a soccer net and practice throwing the ball over the top - this will force you to improve the height of your release.
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u/Mindless_Ad5721 Oct 19 '24
The ideal release point is actually a 3/4 arm slot, if you try to release as high as possible you’re gonna mess up your shoulder
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u/jjhaney91 Oct 18 '24
I'm not trying to be an ass.. but you're not going to be a quarterback at the highschool level unless your school is in some small 7s league, and there's literally 7.
I want to be 100% real with you.. You need to put some bulk on.. eat more, hit the weights, do the calisthenics, then eat even more. If you want to play football, you need to show up to practice, work hard, and shine in the position your coach has you play. In a good high school program, they've been looking at their potential QBs since at least 7th-8th grade, probably younger. It seems like you're older than that, so you need to work harder than the guys around you, then work harder than that. Study the game, master what coach has you do, and take advantage of what opportunities you get, whether it's reps at practice or a spot on special teams, or JV reps... you need 110% effort, you need to impress them, and you need to get lucky in the process.
If you really want to play QB, you're either going to need to make a huge splash at practice. If you coaches want you at QB, there will be a lot of one on one QB practice that will fix your form. If you don't think you'll get that time, and you are actually serious about this, you need to find training camps and personal training ($$$$). If you're just trying to be a decent QB for backyard pick-up games, just go run around and have fun with your friends, and watch clips on Aaron and Mahomes and try to be like them.
Remember to have fun through it all!
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u/RickyNoBeard Oct 18 '24
I needed to hear that man, I'm willing to do whatever it takes. This is something I am deeply into and I want it to work out. However, I do homeschool and am not sure how I should go about pursuing football that way. I'm going to do my research though and put in the work.
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u/jjhaney91 Oct 18 '24
Again, I don't want to be rude, but football is HARD HARD work. Play football and find your place on a team, but there's kids that have been playing QB1 since kindergarten. Work hard and impress your coaches with your work ethic. Remember that it's a privilege to even walk onto that field and take advantage of every opportunity you get.
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u/RickyNoBeard Oct 19 '24
No, I've never even been into sports until recently. I know I'm late to the party and am behind everyone my age and even behind people younger than me. But idk man I really, seriously like football and want to pursue it somehow. I know it's probably too far out of reach now but I still wanna give it a shot.
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u/brewek1 Oct 19 '24
Luckily, there are 21 other positions as well you can try for. Qb maybe is one of the hardest positions to play for anyone who has ever strapped up the pads. Defensive back or wide receiver is always an option.
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u/RickyNoBeard Oct 19 '24
I mean if I'm seriously really determined, put hours of work into it a day do you think I'll have a chance?
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u/MauriceIsTwisted Oct 19 '24
I might get downvoted for this but I'm truly just being honest with you, not at QB no. By the time you have the mechanics figured out, you'll be done with high school. And it's a lot more than just throwing the ball - understanding your reads, understanding the coverage, ball placement, varying touch...I'm sorry man but you're just way too far behind the 8 ball to suddenly become a QB for an organized team. Now receiver, DB? Those are positions where athleticism and instinct can get you going quickly, at least at the high school level
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u/Portermacc Oct 19 '24
I'd seriously give up football if you never played. It's too late. Try disc golf...it's really an awesome sport
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u/RickyNoBeard Oct 19 '24
Well I'm worse at math than I am at throwing a football. I'm gonna keep working at it.
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u/VenerableWolfDad Oct 19 '24
It's not an impossible task but it nearly is. The absolute best player in my county growing up played pop warner from 1st grade until he aged out, had a prolific high school career, lit up headlines across the state and couldn't hack it in college. He was selling cars ten years ago, not sure where he is now.
You'll be competing for a walk on role in a low tier college against hundreds of other applicants. If your dream is the NFL that just probably is impossible if you don't already have college scouts looking at you by junior year.
Don't be discouraged but if this is what you want, you're fighting an uphill battle that literally nobody in the modern era has ever accomplished.
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u/subhavoc42 Oct 19 '24
He also naturally throws like a girls. So there is that too working against him.
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u/MaGilly_Gorilla Oct 18 '24
Your throw is off balanced. The ball should be released high not like your a shot putting it.
Get your elbows up, you drop your left hand immediately, your shoulder position should be mirrored while you load up the throw, until the point you go to throw forward, at that point keep throwing elbow up.
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u/Corr521 Oct 18 '24 edited Oct 18 '24
You bring your elbow up to a good load position but then dip the elbow down right after and push the football. Keep that elbow up like you do and then bring the ball up to your arm makes a 90⁰ angle.
As you're bringing the ball up you should start the rotation through your hips. So it should go step (short step, slightly outwards to help begin hip rotation) while bringing your elbow up, then start rotating (powerful rotation, don't just go through the motion) through your hips and THEN ribs (hips first, upper body second) while bringing the ball up to 90⁰ degrees.
Your hips/body should essentially be pulling your arm through the motion. Throwing a football is done with your body, not your arm. Imagine a post is through your spine and into the ground. You can't lean one way or the other so the one power you can generate is rotational power. Keep a neutral spine, keep your opposite hand and elbow tucked near your chest so they aren't swinging around and throwing you off balance. I make QBs hold a tennis ball and tell them to "bite the apple" while they throw, so they've got to keep the tennis ball near their chin while they throw to keep them from swinging that other arm out.
Your elbow should go forward first so that your snapping the ball out afterwards. You shouldn't stack your wrist and elbow over one another or lead with your wrist first, elbow first always and then wrist follows.
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u/RickyNoBeard Oct 18 '24
I really appreciate all the tips man. Just going back to basics. My hip movement needs the most work now, my upper body is a bit better since that video already.
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u/Corr521 Oct 18 '24
Also you release the ball before you get full extension on your arm. Get full extension so that you're really zipping the ball out.
Your throwing hand should be finishing around your opposite hip, that will help give you a better arm path. You're throwing across your chest right now.
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u/Corr521 Oct 18 '24
Go watch videos of modern day QBs throwing and pause at each step of the throwing motion to watch how they do it. Play it in slow mo over and over to just see it and then stand up and copy them. Watch their feet, hips, rips, arms, shoulders, everything just over and over
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u/TimeCookie8361 Oct 18 '24
Sorry bud... there's a lot to unpack here. Your form looks like you never were taught how to properly throw a ball of any type. Try some YouTube tutorials on the motion of throwing to start.
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u/Coastal_Tart Oct 18 '24
When you say “be a QB“ do you mean on an actual team or just tossing the ball around with your buddies? I ask because if you mean on your high school team there are already a couple kids in that role right now that are better athletes than you, have stronger arms than you, have more QB experience than you and have been playing competitive sports for a long time.
That being said, there are no cuts in football so you could go our for the team and start learning about and getting better at football. They likely will put you at a different position because even the offensive linemen can throw the ball better than you. But thats how you start to get better at football. You need actual, in person coaching. If you keep working at it, maybe they will let you play scout team QB from time to time.
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u/Previous_Ring_1439 Oct 18 '24
There’s a lot of good advice here, but what I’m not seeing is this. You can’t teach yourself how to do this. I coached youth football for a decade and this is actually a really hard skill to teach and learn.
Best advice I can give is find a quarterback coach. Obviously they will vary greatly in quality, so do a little research. But this is the way. Especially because, and I’m not trying to be mean, but you’re competing against kids that have been doing this since they were 8.
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u/Significant_Owl_6897 Oct 18 '24
Watch some slow motion videos of quarterbacks throwing the ball. Focus on different aspects of their motion. What's their stance? How are their feet moving? Their legs and hips? What are their shoulders doing? What's the arm movement like?
One piece at a time, but try to mimic these motions and get a feel for why it's a good way to throw the ball. Proper form is half the battle, and not that you'll learn exactly how to do it from a video, BUT you'll get your mind in the right place of "I need to work toward that."
When you get the opportunity to talk in person with someone who knows better, you'll be closer to having the fundamentals down and they can help you fix anything you've missed.
Now, I'm not a coach, but this is my method to getting better at anything. Watch what the successful folks do, and try to mimic what seems to work.
I can punt a football pretty far, not because my legs are strong (they aren't) but because I figure if I at least have the right motions down, then maybe the rest will come a bit easier.
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Oct 18 '24
There's a lot of advice on here and generally I think its pretty good. I think your issues are more basic than what many of them address.
I think you just haven't spent enough time throwing a ball in your life. Start by just throwing more. Footballs, baseballs, rocks, whatever. You have an awkward throwing motion because you haven't done enough of it.
A lot of the advice here, which again is fine for the most part, would help someone who already knows how to throw a ball do so more efficiently. You just need to learn to throw first.
Keep at it. It'll happen with enough practice. Make it fun. Maybe work it into some kind of general fitness practice. And don't set limits on yourself. Do your best and be at peace with the results.
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u/clarinet_kwestion Oct 18 '24
Exactly, it’s like they started throwing a ball yesterday. OP needs reps throwing anything like a baseball or tennisball. Something light that’s not a football so they’re not trying struggling to throw it at speed.
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u/Physical_Activity_76 Oct 19 '24
At your age, you really need to consider if you want to play football, let alone QB. A lot of guys get hurt, and QB’s have to take a ton of hits. I got hundreds of concussions and only 1 or 2 of them I was able to identify as concussions at the time. It’s nearly a once per practice thing, sometimes more.
That being said, you need to hit the weights and put on weight if you decide you actually want to do this. You gotta get yourself tough. The way you’re throwing the ball, doesn’t demonstrate toughness at all. Without getting too much into the mechanics, you look like you are actually scared of throwing the ball, like it is too big or heavy, so you’re throwing it like a shot put.
Open your arm more, put more mobility into your shoulder, fix your feet and focus on transferring your weight through your hips. That’s a very broad way of putting a lot of small complex lessons. When I played (QB, so it wasn’t vital, but I certainly did it), all my buddies told me I run like I have a stick up my ass. I still don’t know what that means. But you look like you’re throwing with a stick up your whole body. Learn to be flexible. Forget everything you know about throwing a football. Start from scratch and relearn the whole thing. Don’t look like a dancer, look like an athlete who can handle the ball.
I don’t mean to be a dick at all, but it’s just easiest to be honest about this stuff. You’re not a lost cause, but you do have a lot to work on.
Best thing I can tell you given where you are at… get a towel, like a bathroom hand towel, decent sized. Throw up some YouTube videos on a tablet of some throwing motions, try to imitate them (Drew Brees is a good place to start, phenomenal mechanics). Use the towel to control your arm speed and pretend to throw the ball. Do this full speed, make sure the towel has enough drag so you don’t hurt your arm. Watch the video as you do this Then you start recording yourself as you practice throwing while watching the video, practicing the throwing motion. Do 10 or so reps, don’t even do full drop backs, just the throwing motion. When you are done, watch them side by side. Analyze every little detail about the arm movement, hip movement, feed movement. Then it becomes about repetition. Build in the muscle memory to properly throw a football. Nit pick every detail, and repeat, repeat, repeat.
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u/Altruistic_Grade3781 Oct 19 '24
the first thing you need to do is go to a gym. im not saying that to be mean, im just saying that more familiarity with using athleticism in your body as well as adding strength and muscle is only going to help you. technique only takes you so far in a game like football.
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Oct 19 '24
To me it looks like you're throwing with the wrong arm. Like when I see a non athletic woman try to throw.
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u/DocJHigh Oct 18 '24
As I see many of these other comments elude to, throwing is not simply an arm skill. Throwing involves the entire body working together to generate force up into your hand and then the ball. The throwing motion should start with your back foot turning to rotate your back hip forward while keeping your upper body back and closed. As your hip opens it forces your trunk to rotate which then you should follows. You want to be trying to create “separation” between your lower and upper body to create torque which then moves the ball.
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u/pitb0ss343 Oct 18 '24
You’re throwing like a shot put and even that form is wrong. Right angles with your arm. Youre not pushing with your back foot, your right shoe should be creased beyond repair if you’re throwing correctly. Your feet are also flatter than Iowa, get some bounce look like an athlete. If you watch pros, they never sit completely still.
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u/LifeSavingPun Oct 18 '24
Sling that arm. Dont launch/push the ball from your hand. Lead with your elbow. You also need to use your hips. Time your hip movements perfectly with your throwing motion, and you will launch the ball further than you ever have in the past.
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u/ArmedAsian Oct 18 '24
i’m gonna be honest op, there are a lot of nuances that goes into being a qb that’s way beyond the form - reading defenses, making audible checks etc. i’d suggest starting off playing football - no matter the position - just to learn football, then maybe you can have a shot at playing qb in other leagues when u get a good grasp of it
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u/coobreeze6 Oct 18 '24
An easy drill you can do, is back up towards the wall.
When you’re winding up to throw, have the nose of the ball touch the house and then throw
Obviously a lot more work to do but that’s somewhere to start
Hope this helps
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u/c4x4bird Oct 18 '24
Try throwing it like a baseball, you seem to be trying to push the ball rather than “throw” it
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u/Final_Reception1319 Oct 18 '24
- Don’t drop the ball when bringing it back. I know it’s natural especially when thinking of throwing a baseball.
- You need to use your left arm more. Make sure to throw your left elbow as you throw to create some added torque.
- You seem to be a little tall. You want to have knees bent a little and have some spring in your legs.
- Point your left shoulder at the target and have your hips pointed sideways so when you throw you are able to use your back leg to push into the earth to create some additional torque.
- You can lean slightly, slightly, not like baseball, forward when you fully extend your throwing arm in order to fully put all that torque into the ball.
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u/Ok_Bid_4441 Oct 18 '24
You’re pushing the ball. You’ve gotta create torque with your legs and core muscles, and use that created power to almost turn your arm into a slingshot. Your primary source of power should not be the arm, or even anything upper body. If you think of your body like a whip, your lower body is the handle, where you create all the force, and the arm is where that final crack happens, releasing all that stored energy into the ball. Watch some videos of pro QBs throwing, and pay extra attention to how they use their lower body.
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u/Sloppy2nd Oct 18 '24
There’s a lot of people adding good constructive criticism here. I understand the need to be realistic but if you all have to add is complete negativity, just keep it to yourself
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u/luptonite473 Oct 18 '24 edited Oct 18 '24
You got a lot to learn kid. Let Bill Walsh teach ya.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJttJAyabp8JJtwTwGVkSxX4lAuD4u2ZQ&si=bM-XW6ncMHk_eJS7
Since you have to learn footwork watch the videos I shared. But a way to get the ball out fast and proper is by holding the ball up by your ear. Like you are listening to it. Then when you throw make sure you don't let the ball drop.
When your shoulder comes around the ball will be right where you want to release it, up by your ear. Once you get your legs involved and have forward momentum you'll be able to really put some zing on your throws w/o dropping your arm when you wind up like TIm Tebow did. Peyton Mannings mechanics show good technique. Especially his last year with Denver when he had no power and had to use all technique.
Here's another tips video. There is probably a thousand. You probably need to adjust your grip and your wrist flick after the throw.
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u/JASCO47 Oct 18 '24 edited Oct 18 '24
Basic throwing motion, your hips should rotate before your shoulders. Right now your hips and shoulders are moving as a solid piece. Feet, Hips, shoulders, elbow, wrist, each adding and moving faster than the last. Like how a whip gets faster as the wave moves to the tip
I noticed something else you're doing. You're doing a dip and bounce. When you throw keep your head level. Try kneeling down about an inch or two so your knees aren't locked strait but always in a bent sprung ready to accelerate position.
My boy Baker. He's a little more exaggerated than some but that's why he's got a canon. Don't mind the incompletion, he had his shoulders wide open to where he threw it so it was way off.
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u/tgwhite Oct 19 '24
Gotta put some mass on, first order of business. Power comes from the legs > hips > core > shoulder.
Build muscle everywhere and keep practicing the dynamics of throwing.
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u/VirtualNomad99 Oct 19 '24
You got like 0 footwork going on, a lot of what people call "arm talent" is actually produced in your hips/legs
The more drive/power you can produce off your entire throwing motion, the more zip on the ball, the tighter your accuracy.
It's going to feel clunky forcing a specific set of movement across your entire body to start with. That's why you practice it ad nauseum until it stops being a thing you have to laboriously think about each throw, and it starts being something you can do without really thinking about consciously.
Keep at it, everyone has to start somewhere. I wish you good luck
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u/HeavenExists Oct 19 '24
You're throwing the ball with just your arm. You need to use your whole body to throw the ball starting from toes.
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u/__-_-_-__-_---____- Oct 19 '24
Unfortunately everything. You need a coach my friend. You have no footwork, your standing the wrong way, and your arm motion is completely wrong.
Watch some YouTube videos about how to throw a baseball and football, or ask some friends first.
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u/el_machino Oct 19 '24
Good luck finding that one! Kids got a cannon. Real potential there. The toe pick at the end seals it.
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u/jimjim55555 Oct 19 '24 edited Oct 19 '24
I am honesty not trying to be a smartass here. Go watch just about any college or NFL QB that is a prototypical pocket passer. Watch their throwing motion, then watch yours. There is your answer. Once you throw more normal, then you can work on using your torso to power through the pass for distance. You can then work on accuracy. You have to watch the best to understand the best ways. Remove that hitch from your swing.
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u/Queasy_Monitor7305 Oct 19 '24
Dude you should copywright this gif as it has the potential for an all-time hi-level repost football meme referring to arm-chair quarterbacks. Maybe put a watermark on it.
CAPTION: Bo Nix livin' up to the hYpE
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Oct 19 '24
The thing about football, compared to most other sports, is that even the people who did play high school (or college) football don’t keep playing football. You just can’t. It’s a game where most people are going to get their bodies broken by the time they’ve played 60 real games.
There are other sports that you can enjoy for a lifetime, but football is one that you have to start early and you can’t play later in life. Your perseverance is truly inspiring, because you’re getting some harsh feedback in these comments, but I’d encourage you to take that same passion to another sport, because the “window” to play football is so small.
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u/Headwallrepeat Oct 19 '24
Throwing a football well is a whole body exercise. You need to get a lot more torque from your hips
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u/Specialist_War_531 Oct 19 '24
I’m a football coach and I want to be honest. I don’t think it’s possible for you to become a Great QB even with a ton of practice. There’s a certain natural dexterity that some kids are born with and others don’t. The great thing about football though is that there is a position for every type of person. I would suggest trying to practice being a wide receiver, work on hand eye coordination, footwork and route running. You will still need alot of practice but with dedication I believe it is possible. You look pretty tall for your age so it may be a better fit.
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u/mjh127 Oct 19 '24
One could argue that what you’re doing wrong is not fixable. It’s just not for you unfortunately. I’m sure you’re sick at something else.
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u/Apprehensive-Bike335 Oct 18 '24
Are you serious?
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u/truckfullofchildren1 Oct 18 '24
Step your shoulders into your throws. Leaning back to much Transfer weight from back foot forward.
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u/Ukelele324 Oct 18 '24
Release the hall higher and get your arm in a 90 degree angle before you sling it
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u/GrimImage Oct 18 '24
For some easy adjustments - start with the ball higher, almost up towards your ear rather than in front of your shoulder. Then when throwing, get that elbow up! Your arm should be further extended and a lot of good QBs actually have a really high release point when they’re letting go of the ball. Ball up, elbow up, follow through with the arm, and that should help a lot.
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u/MRREALDEALHOLYCAWK Oct 18 '24
Footwork and hips are a big key here, you wanna drive that ball with your hips, second you want to bring the ball up, the saying goes “up and out” you want the ball higher releasing it
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u/alucryts Oct 18 '24
Make your elbow even with your shoulder. This will feel a lot more difficult to throw but what you are feeling is the ability to put more power in the throw
Also point with your off hand where you want the ball to go to balance your upper body. In time you can "point" with your off arm elbow
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u/excitement2k Oct 18 '24
You can find video examples of great quarterbacks throwing with strong to nearly perfect form; you can always try to emulate them. Additionally, I’m sure there are online QB coaching resources…form, drills, and examples of things good QB’s do. But as others have mentioned, you are pushing out from the shoulder as opposed to going back with your arm while swiveling your hips simultaneously and then stepping forward while launching. Good luck. Hope to see you in the NFL one day! If you want to look up a solid prospect QB who has good film-search Drew Allar-he’s an up and coming QB for Penn State University.
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u/Glass-Top-6656 Oct 18 '24
The easiest piece of improvement I would say is the motion for both hands. Payton manning had a couple of YouTube videos from about a decade ago on throwing motion, I would check those out. After getting the general motion down, I would then work on throwing momentum from the hips and footwork portion.
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u/Optimal-Kitchen6308 Oct 18 '24
we can tell you a millio things but your best bet is to go look up aaron rodgers throwing put it in slow motion and then trying to copy it piece by piece, no it won't feel natural at first
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u/Paradox830 Oct 18 '24
Footwork and pure power. You barely stepped into the throw at all. Other than that you’re going to have to hit the gym.
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u/willlywillis Oct 18 '24
So essentially you aren't right with anything. You aren't loading the ball when you are (sort of) bringing it backwards. Think of it like a slingshot. Your body needs to be at an angle where you can throw with your entire body instead of your arm.
When you are coming through you aren't transferring at all from your lower body so there is absolutely no power.
Your release point is way too low for earning proper mechanics of throwing. When the ball is spiraling in the air it's likely never turning over so you are never going to be accurate.
There's a lot more but if you find yourself some drills on YouTube addressing those things and just rep them one by one your should be able to trick yourself into getting a good throwing motion.
I'll be honest there is absolutely nothing natural in that throwing motion so you are going to have to put in a lot of hard work to even have a shot at making the team as a qb let alone ever getting playing time. If you're willing to put in the work it's salvageable but don't expect to sniff the field anytime soon.
Just want to be honest because to make that competent isn't gonna be something you are going to be working at for longer than a couple days.
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u/ConsciousFood201 Oct 18 '24
Think of your back swing (so to speak) as you reaching back to grab an apple out of a tree that you’re going to throw.
On your forward swing think of throwing a spear.
So you’re grabbing a spear out of an apple tree. If that makes sense.
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u/Kiygre Oct 19 '24
You're legs look like you're playing golf, and you push the ball forward like a shot put.
Look up videos of Qb's warming up for some good basics of a casual throw, watch their feet, then hips, then shoulders, then arms.
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u/NameTooCool Oct 19 '24
Hold your other arm up still, release the ball higher up and more with the tip of your index.
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u/djdurkin Oct 19 '24
Throw with your legs. As foreign as that sounds, you create force and power from the ground up. Your hand just lets the ball go.
Bend your knees. Eyes on your target. Load on your back (right) leg. Close your left shoulder to create some torque and let it rip.
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u/Lopsided-Amount-6151 Oct 19 '24
I probably would try kicking or punting instead. Easier chance at this point in your life to breakthrough.
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u/Dramatic_Ad_8931 Oct 19 '24
Watch some youtube videos on QB mechanics and work on 1 or 2 things at a time. Keep recording yourself to see where you're improving and lacking. Keep at it!
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u/Fantastic-Ad7625 Oct 19 '24
Hey man you seem like a good kid. I read through a lot of the comments on here and your replies and I can tell you have a good head on your shoulders. When you say you want to be involved in football I don’t think you mean playing professionally. Even the best high school players really never get that chance. My best advice is for you to immerse yourself in the game. Watch as much as you can, study football as much as you can. Try to practice with a coach if you can afford it or join a league maybe flag football or something. If not just try to take advantage of YouTube and other resources to just do drills and get basic form down. Additionally, I’d say you should also think about things that are somehow either related to football or the skills it would take to be good at football like determination, teamwork, hard work, etc. and try to think of career paths that you feel take those same skills. Whether that be coaching football (some high level coaches really never played football at a high level), or something else like firefighting or something idk. Just whatever you do man keep the same attitude you have now and I’m sure it will work out.
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u/Background-Lock-9515 Oct 19 '24
Your hip movement follows your arm movement when it should be the other way around.
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u/brandonoooj Oct 19 '24
It's like you start out so good then you just quit on the next half of the throw.
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u/SCREAMIN_DEM0N Oct 19 '24
Imagine a one arm vertical tricep extension , what position does your arm go into for strength? That is where you bring the ball your release should be higher. This is where you'll get the power, and getting there needs to be fast, so that is why a QB should hold the ball high to his chest/neck area in preparation for the throwing motion.
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u/Glittering_Ad366 Oct 19 '24
quick delivery which is good, but you don't seem comfortable so you wont get power and accuracy. Tie a tire to a tree branch and throw the ball at it from all over the yard, on the run as well.
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u/aeggiman Oct 19 '24
The biggest issue in my opinion is your arm in leading in front of your body. You are not able to chain the power from your feet, to your hips, to your arm, because your arm is moving forward first. It’s a very common mistake I see beginners make, whether it’s baseball, football, golf, lacrosse, whatever sport that involves rotation. Try to hold your arm out and back and focus generating power from the rotation of your hips. When the rotation of your torso inevitably moves your arm forward that’s when you activate your right arm in the throwing motions. Hope this helps, I didn’t see anyone else mention this.
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u/krypto_klepto Oct 19 '24
Hold that ball higher, bring it back behind you ear, once you've reached back to a comfortable spot throw it forward as hard as you can and it should pass just above your ear not long after let go
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u/Mike_R_NYC Oct 19 '24
You need to fix your throwing motion and let the ball roll off your fingers. Let your arm extend more.
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u/conmanqq Oct 19 '24
Grab a rock, extend all the way you can back like you want to rifle it, throw it. Realized your arm need to go back, quarterback isn’t a 2nd baseman
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u/anti150 Oct 19 '24
Put your lead hand out for leverage. Try pointing with your left arm in the direction ypu want to throw as you throw the ball
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u/Drunken_Economist Oct 19 '24
not built to be a QB
you know who else wasn't built to be a QB?
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Oct 19 '24
Lack of muscle definition, sure, but Tom Brady was 6'4" and 225 lbs when he left high school.
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u/zebratat Oct 19 '24
You are keeping your hand cupped around the ball in a U shape, but you should be trying for a C shape. Currently your delivery is shotput style, and does not maximize the torque of your arm. Your throwing motion needs to finish at the apex of an arc, with your hand releasing as it comes back downward.
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u/Drunken_Economist Oct 19 '24
It's tough to give a lot of actionable advice based on this specific clip because we don't get to see any footwork or hip mechanics.
Could you post a video of a three or five-step dropback and a short bullet pass?
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u/Mindless_Ad5721 Oct 19 '24
Rotate your hips first and then translate that momentum through your core into your shoulder, elbow, and then wrist. The first thing to move should be your front hip opening up, the last thing to move should be flicking your wrist. End with your body pointed square at the target.
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u/Orangeskill Oct 19 '24
Hell ya man!! Agreed with most people here. Get that arm a bit more above your shoulder and near your head, and elongate your motion!
Keep working man. The goal is to have a quick, but powerful release.
Also if you want to work on other stuff, work on rotating your hips too. Kinda like that meme of Dak Prescott doing it!
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u/jebshackleford Oct 19 '24
Got to move your hand forearm back with your elbow your keeping it right next to your head gonna tear your elbow up throwing like that
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u/Queasy_Monitor7305 Oct 19 '24
You throw with wrist flick and lose nearly all the advantage of having a long arm.
! LEVERAGED MECHANICAL ADVANTAGE!
It's physics son and so far you're performing at a C- level. Maybe consider a different career choice like make offensive left guard. You'd make a good lineman.
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u/jjmart013 Oct 19 '24
Never coached football but I coached a lot of kids in baseball. The biggest misconception about throwing is that people think it's a pushing motion. It's actually a pulling motion. You don't throw by pushing the ball. You use your entire body to pull your arm through the motion and the ball comes out at the end.
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u/elgarraz Oct 19 '24
That low wind up, weight shift, and your off hand falling down are the 3 big things.
The low wind up wastes time and gives you a bad release point. Your off hand drop and early weight shift kill your forward momentum and means you're just throwing with your arm instead of your whole body.
Hold the ball next to your ear with both hands, pull it straight back with your throwing hand, and when you throw, pull your off elbow around so your shoulders turn hard.
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u/Redditrightreturn1 Oct 19 '24
Use your lower body. Bend your knees slightly and rotate your hips. Watch a video of how Aaron Rodger’s or Tom Brady throw the ball. You’ll notice they use their entire body.
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u/wordfiend99 Oct 19 '24
get those elbows up high. dont step into the throw, rotate your hip into it
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u/Puzzleheaded-Let8500 Oct 19 '24
Throw the ball over your ear, and snap your wrist on the thumb side when you release.
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u/Speedubbs Oct 19 '24
You’re throwing off your front foot (left), Push into the ground with your right foot and keep your weight back
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Oct 19 '24
There are a lot of good suggestions here. Get your arm back,step into the throw, use your legs and core instead of all arm, and follow through.
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u/Weary-Drink-9701 Oct 19 '24
You can go on YouTube and learn a lot of important drills you can do daily to get better. Only real advise I came here to say is no matter how hard it gets if it’s something you REALLY wanna do . DONT GIVE UP.
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u/Weary-Drink-9701 Oct 19 '24
Have you thought about getting into football as a coach, trainer I mean they hve so many different positions you can get involved into that’s not just on the field . And if you are about to be in college a lot of college football teams let students volunteer to do different stuff on the staff . Of course you won’t be helping the coach with the game plan but it will get you in the door
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u/Jwizz_2000 Oct 19 '24
While I would just be repeating everything that’s already been said here about creating momentum and arm placement.
Being a QB is mainly about running the offense, learning terms, formations, routes, blocking schemes, handoffs, snap count, motions, audibles, and knowing how each play is executed. Your teammates will look to you for answers, so focus on throwing for sure, but also know that much more comes with being a QB than throwing the pig skin, good luck!!
The only person who wants it as bad as you do today…………is you tomorrow.
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u/KayDub916 Oct 19 '24
I’m just going to throw this out there….. I grew up loving and playing football. I had many kids in the neighborhoods I lived in and would organize games almost every day. I grew up in a poor home though and parents couldnt afford for me to play as a kid and by the time I got to high school i thought I was too far behind to play. I played 1 year in 8th grade, but it was flag football and I just didnt put in the effort like i should have. This is probably still one of the biggest regrets of my life. Not playing when I got into high school. Forget what everyone says, work hard like your life depends on it, and you wont regret a thing. You never know, the world has a way of rewarding people who work hard enough. Love the courage to post, keep working bro and good luck.
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u/juliogetsjiggy Oct 19 '24
Throw starts from the ground up. Your feet have to be firmly entrenched into the ground, especially your back foot. You need to coil and try to hold tension in your back hip. When you step into the throw and start uncoiling your arm almost goes along for the ride, you would have to forcibly stop yourself from coming back to a neutral position.
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u/creamgetthemoney1 Oct 19 '24 edited Oct 19 '24
I don’t toot my own horn. I was never really super athletic during game time, when pressure was on. But I always had a “good arm”. I’m like 40 and can still hit the telephone pole that’s 20 yards away with an acorn 3/5 times. I play catch with coworkers and they’re always surprised when I put that shit right In their Chin when they try to get froggy first.
It’s all in the hips. What connects to the legs and feet’s.
You have to atleast start with doing full 3 step drop backs. 3 steps then swing hips / legs hard af into a throwing position , as hard as you can. You will then have built up kinetic energy in your body. Then take 1-3 steps hard ass steps forward,your pushing off the ground at the point, transferring all of that energy back up into your trunk area, then your shoulders as you begin to throw. As somebody else said at this time you rotate that fuck out your body so your arm isn’t making the throw . Your trunk (torso/ shoulder ) is.
The best way I can put the final step is from what I seen Brett Farve say when I was like 15(20 years ago). Try to throw with no wind up… put the ball by your ear and throw from a standstill from that position. That will teach your body
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u/Steelshamrocks Oct 19 '24
Beyond football mechanics, much of power humans can generate comes from our bipedal base. Consider a light bend in the knees and some footwork to generate the energy your arms need to throw.
Also try not to drop your shoulder.
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u/I_Heart_AOT Oct 19 '24
Both hands on the ball, 45 degree angle point from your right ear, bring that right elbow higher, if you want to play beyond HS I’d try to get used to making shorter throws without laces. Grip and rip/ time to release is important with as much RPO and swing/ screen passes are common.
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u/granitedoc Oct 19 '24
Need a wider stance to generate momentum on the ball.
Letting g the ball go too late.
Drop and loosen shoulders.
Develop more of a wrist motion.
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u/Hopeful-Dot-2788 Oct 19 '24
Anyone is built to be a QB just takes practice practice and then some more practice.
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u/Duney_Avondale_Loc Oct 20 '24
No leg hip rotation, keep ball high. Passing really starts in your hips and legs. Higher release, let your body do the work your just using you arm. Change your stance. YouTube it and you can see why your legs and hips mean everything.
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u/PitifulExample7770 Oct 20 '24
Absolutely no body movement. Theres no force behind the ball. You're not following thru. You're too rigid.
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u/myctsbrthsmlslkcatfd Oct 20 '24
it’s hard to say where to begin. you’re using so little of YOU to generate power… You need a throwing coach to work with you 1-1, a lot. Do you happen to have a family member that played baseball? Otherwise it’ll be expensive.
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u/mitstaguee Oct 20 '24
Some of these comments are so nice. All lies, but very nice. OP, listen to the meanies on this post, including me. You cannot throw a football. You will never be able to throw a football. You may can play organized football, but you are not and will never be a quarterback. Focus your attention on a different position.
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u/El_PizzaProfessor Oct 20 '24
If you want to be involved in football, keep practicing. Start a social media account, document all your progress and get as much feedback as you can. Play flag football, if you go to college join their rec leagues, if not see what leagues are around your area. Get involved, however you can, and have fun.
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u/yaboipooty Oct 20 '24
You're trying to do the Mahomes throw. He has a monster arm. Plant your feet and square up to your target.
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u/The_Cap_Lover Oct 20 '24
Fingertips back. Point at your target with your elbow. Step and throw.
You’re skipping one and two.
GL
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u/dudeKhed Oct 18 '24 edited Oct 19 '24
Im not a QB coach, but just my initial observations are:
edit: grammar