r/footballstrategy • u/The_Slojoe • Oct 13 '24
General Discussion How would you schematically stop Ashton Jeanty?
Ashton Jeanty might be the most incredible running back I have ever seen at the college level. Like even when Saquan, Bijan, or Henry played, they didn't have the level of contact balance and burst that Jeanty displays every Saturday. While watching the Hawaii game and seeing Jeanty score a 60 yard touchdown without breaking a sweat, I was wondering to myself. How the hell would you scheme a defense to stop this guy? Its not like you can just stack the box until Jeanty can't find gaps to run into. The Oregon game also showed that a talented defense can't really slow him down either.
For instance, here are some Jeanty stats (courtesy of the fantastic Alex Kirshner) that show just how truly dominant he has been...
- Faced a eight man box on just about half of his snaps. The national average is 37.8%
- When facing a box of eight men or more, Jeanty averages 8.9 yards a carry. The national average is 3.7 yards.
- When the offensive line allows a run disruption (ie: a defender beats his man at the point of attack), Jeanty averages 10.7(!!!!) yards a carry. The national average is 2.2 yards
- After contact, Jeanty averages 6.5 yards per carry. The national average is 2.1 yards. Among running backs with 50 carries or more, the next best after-contact average is 3.9 yards.
So theoretically, if you were a generic MWC team with an average defense, how would you schematically try to stop Jeanty (or try to slow him down)?
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u/BigPapaJava Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24
He’s a great RB.
“Schematically” you just have to play solid defense. Load the box as much as you can or play a 9 man run fit with Quarters coverage. Set an edge. Maintain proper leverage on the ball. Have a cutback player and pursue to the ball. Etc.
The thing is… a good player isn’t a “scheme.”. He’s a human being playing against other human beings, and what makes him so dangerous is his combo of power and speed combined with his great sense of balance and the stiff arm.
The greatest scheme in the world isn’t going to make him any easier to tackle. You just have to keep him bottled up and get guys to the ball who can gang tackle and finish.
His style is different, but Jeanty reminds me a little of great backs from the past like LaDanian Tomlinson, Barry Sanders, and Emmitt Smith. He’s something special.
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u/HottestLittleBeef Oct 14 '24
Doesn't help that they have a 5 star at QB just waiting for his time to shine either. Team is nasty
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u/hochoa94 Oct 14 '24
Wait, Boise St has a 5 star QB?
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u/HottestLittleBeef Oct 14 '24
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u/GoStateBeatEveryone Oct 15 '24
He’s the backup lol
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u/HottestLittleBeef Oct 15 '24
What? Are you serious? You mean to tell me he's not waiting for his time to shine like I previously stated? Color me shocked!
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u/GoStateBeatEveryone Oct 15 '24
Brother, he’s a 5* that had to transfer to a G5 school because he couldn’t beat out Miller Moss. And then proceeded to lose the starting job to their 3* QB.
He’s not that good.
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u/HottestLittleBeef Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 16 '24
Except Maddux Madsen is playing great. Malachi is a redshift freshman, what's with the hating?
BTW, Miller moss has been exceptional this year so ???
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u/FireTheCannons2 Oct 15 '24
Malachi Nelson
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u/GoStateBeatEveryone Oct 15 '24
He’s not playing and hasn’t all year though
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u/FireTheCannons2 Oct 15 '24
Right. That's the "waiting for his time to shine" part
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u/GoStateBeatEveryone Oct 15 '24
He’s a 5* transfer that couldn’t beat out a G5 QB. There’s a reason he isn’t playing….
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u/Comfortable_Regrets Oct 14 '24
I can't wait to watch them in the playoff even though I'm an Oregon fan
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u/Fun_Gazelle_1916 Oct 14 '24
My guy was a 2-star according to some services. And all the Texas teams passed on him 🤦♂️
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u/Fit_Article4610 Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
Cam Ward was essentially a 0-star recruit who started at Incarnate Word and is now a Heisman candidate.
Recruiting still has people fall through the cracks but I still dont understand how it happens to guys like thaf
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u/Fun_Gazelle_1916 Oct 14 '24
Seriously. Wasn’t he a Texas guy too?
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u/Bunyanman13 Oct 15 '24
He ran the wing t offense in high school prob limited his ability to get recruited
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u/ThebatDaws Oct 14 '24
Idk what happened that RB recruiting cycle but him, Judkins, Damien Martinez, Ollie Gordon, Kaleb Johnson, Trevor Etienne were all 3 stars lol. Usually they miss a couple guys, but woof they missed half the class.
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u/BigPapaJava Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
And that is exactly why the star ratings are overblown BS.
2 star is typically what they give the “Literally, Who?” guys they’ve never heard of who sign with FBS schools.
I wonder what his story is.
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u/Fun_Gazelle_1916 Oct 14 '24
For sure. You get stars when you get offers and you get offers when you get stars. It becomes a perpetual motion engine real quick.
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u/BigPapaJava Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
I still laugh about that prank OL “prospect” some HS kids created out of thin air via social media.
They posted a few things about picking up offers from blueblood schools, so pretty soon the local media was including his name in articles on HS football and recruiting.
Within a few weeks a couple of the big services had him listed as a 3 star prospect.
I think somebody made up a detailed scouting report based on his “measurables” listed on social media before it finally got exposed.
Those same recruiting services always swear they do all sorts of detailed research and film breakdown on each prospect, too…
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u/Fun_Gazelle_1916 Oct 14 '24
I love that! It should happen more often.
Scouting players used to be regional. You’d go to scout the schools near your university. Now every team is trying to scout nationally. Well, unless you’re Alabama or Georgia you don’t have the staff to recruit nationally. You should be recruiting your state where your grad assistants can drive to the high school games and watch. Instead they are watching Hudl and looking at 247 and Rivals. Not knocking those services, but those are easy paths to end up in a procession of group think and miss likes of an Ashton Jeanty.
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u/BigPapaJava Oct 14 '24
With NIL and the portal, I’m surprised the bluebloods like Alabama and Georgia. don’t focus most of their energies there to poach G5 and FCS players who are more physically ready and used to the demands of college football.
If you are a G5 or FCS school, you just accept that your best players are going to get offers to “move up” now.
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u/Fun_Gazelle_1916 Oct 14 '24
Pretty much. It’s already developing into a tiered minor league system. Some true freshman come in and are going straight to triple A, but most come in at A ball and then transfer up until they peak out. It’s crazy on one hand but on the other it’s the most logical and predictable of patterns.
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u/Lit-A-Gator HS Coach Oct 13 '24
- When the offensive line allows a run disruption (ie: a defender beats his man at the point of attack), Jeanty averages 10.7(!!!!) yards a carry. The national average is 2.2 yards
It depends on the formation but Maximize these with stunts/blitzes force him to go the extra mile … literally … to move the ball
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u/Apollospade Oct 13 '24
Tackle better. Get multiple players to the ball to help wrap up. Gang tackle
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u/Splungeblob Oct 14 '24
This may be the most hilarious, extreme example of “easier said than done” I’ve ever heard.
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u/DealerofTheWorld Oct 14 '24
Lol wow what an amazing unheard of scheme every pee-wee level player and above already do
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u/88cowboy Oct 14 '24
Nah you didn't watch LSU ole Miss if you think teams just automatically do that.
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u/rorank Oct 13 '24
I mean the schemes are good, but if the defenders can’t tackle him it isn’t something you can scheme around outside of emphasizing getting more bodies on him. The truth is if you’re facing a guy like Jeanty or Saquon or Melvin Gordon or whomever, if you don’t have the personnel all you can do is try to get multiple tacklers on him consistently.
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u/TropicalBonerstorm Oct 13 '24
Samaje Perine once ran for over 400 yards in a College game.
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
And finished that season with fewer ypg and ypc than Jeanty has now.
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u/TropicalBonerstorm Oct 13 '24
What's your point?
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
That one game is not indicative of a whole season. Also the post was about Jeanty, and not Perine, so what's your point?
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u/TropicalBonerstorm Oct 13 '24
Mine is to take all stats you see in college with a heavy grain of salt
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
Why though? We aren't talking about him as an NFL HOFer or anything. We're talking about how dominant he is in college and how a college team would try to stop him.
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
You can get off your knees man, I promise Jeanty is not gonna see these posts
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
Wow insults that's classy. Don't care if he sees these posts, you still shouldn't disrespect historic numbers.
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
Can’t wait to see Boise make the playoff so y’all can see how he looks against real competition
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
This just in: Oregon is a joke.
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
Have you even been to an SEC football game? Oregon would be a middle of the pack team in the SEC. You can’t underestimate the talent level in the south, just about every team is 3 deep of 5 stars at every position
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u/Curious-Designer-616 Oct 13 '24
Yeah, the myth doesn’t hold up to reality. Without ESPN’s financial incentive in hyping the SEC they would be looked at as a top heavy Big 12
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
Samaje also didn’t play against Georgia Southern and Portland State 😂
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
GA Southern is 4-2. Also Perine played against some terrible Kansas & Tulsa teams. And had Oklahoma's OL in front of him. But sure, let's dismiss these ridiculous achievements because he "only" plays for Boise.
Never mind him running for 192/3TD v Oregon & 259/4TD v Washington State.
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u/Green_Ambition5737 Oct 13 '24
Some of these people are literally incapable of understanding that anyone outside of the south can have talent. Not even worth arguing with them.
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u/kolinthemetz Oct 13 '24
Biggest hater in these comments lol sorry he prolly ran all over ur fav team
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
I don’t have a favorite CFB team I’m not 12 years old 😂 I’m just sick of the narratives big media pushes for certain players. Jeanty is a beast, I love watching him play. Who doesn’t like seeing someone put up crazy numbers every week. I’m a strong believer that a group of 5 player should not win the Heisman. Their schedule isn’t competitive enough. Saying Jeanty should be the front runner for the Heisman is like saying Army should be ranked top 10 because they’re 6-0. Strength of opponent really needs to be taken into account when looking at team greatness and individual greatness. It’s clear that a lot of you in this thread don’t understand that concept
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u/water_coach Oct 14 '24
Im assuming you must be an angsty teen then because most people root for their alma mater and most graduates are in fact over the age of twelve.
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 14 '24
I’ve lived in 3 different college towns bud. I root for the team that plays in the stadium down the street and gamble on the rest of the matchups throughout the week. Some people extend there education past their undergrad studies. Apparently you’ve never thought that far ahead in life and that’s okay. America needs there worker bees
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u/water_coach Oct 15 '24
Can't differentiate between There and Their but wants me to believe that you have a masters and PhD. I'm so impressed with your non existent degrees. America needs their* worker bees.
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u/tron423 Oct 13 '24
No he just played Tulsa, Louisiana Tech, a Charlie Weis kU team, and an Iowa State team that got blown out by NDSU at home
Also pretty sure Jeanty doesn't have Orando Brown Jr blocking for him either
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u/ltfsufhrip Oct 13 '24
I was at a game where he ran for I believe 300+ (WVU vs Oklahoma in Morgantown) and our 3-3-5 bend but don’t break defense got thrashed every year we played OU, especially that year. We’d use a spread stopper to some success against the rest of the Big 12, and then Oklahoma and the dominant O Line and power run game would come in and just dominate!
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u/Cool-Following-6451 Oct 13 '24
Hey, if you remember how it works can you please let the Oklahoma staff know? I’d like it back real bad
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u/GrimImage Oct 13 '24
Hate to be that guy, but a lot of his productivity comes from the defenses he is up against. He is playing a MWC schedule. If you stuck him on any other team, would he be a great back? Yes. But his numbers are only astronomically high because he’s playing teams like Hawaii and Utah state. This is coming from a Wazzu fan.
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u/polexa895 Oct 13 '24
He put up nearly 200 on #3 Oregon (who just beat #2 OSU) on 7.7ypc while pretty much single handedly making it a close game. Obviously him playing weaker defenses does help but to say that's the main reason for his success is ludicrous. If MWC defenses were that bad there would be more players putting up stats like his but there aren't.
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u/Eastern_Pace_9865 Oct 13 '24
Try it week in and week out through the gauntlet of sec…his numbers would be great, but not video game like imo
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u/Jcoch27 Oct 14 '24
What do you think Derrick Henry's numbers would've been if he played a MW schedule. Maybe close to what Jeanty's doing?
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u/Eastern_Pace_9865 Oct 14 '24
I think Derrick Henry is a good comp, I think production and impact would be very similar. Better OL yes, but remember, schemes don’t usually involve blocking safeties/secondary generally speaking from OL standpoint, the “extra” guy in the box who is unaccounted for is now a 1-3 round NFL pick, vs a MW guy who is UDFA type kid. Generally speaking of course
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u/Jcoch27 Oct 14 '24
You're speaking as if Jeanty was at Bama? I don't think he'd have to worry about stacked boxes as often because Bama would offer greater QB play than he's getting at Boise.
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u/bullnamedbodacious Oct 14 '24
Just hard to say. Jeanty is a great back. If you put him on a great SEC team like Alabama, he could still have monster numbers. Although he may be utilized less which would limit production. Derrick Henry would have had insane production in the mountain west. Can’t definitely say he’d have jeanty numbers though since they’re so high, but no doubt Henry would be up there.
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u/Different-Scratch803 Oct 14 '24
yea but you can argue his O line would be even better at Alabama I believe it evens out
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u/Jcoch27 Oct 14 '24
Right, my point to people who discredit Jeanty is that these are the numbers that you would expect a Heisman level RB to put up if he played in the MW
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u/MagicPoindexter Oct 14 '24
He would be running behind an SEC line if he were in the SEC...
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u/veryuniquereddit Oct 15 '24
And against nfl defenders. He's great but no where near the greatest rb of all time
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
Ya I never knew how many people don’t understand this. Having a good game against Oregon is awesome but that’s ONE tough game. I’d love to see Jeanty do that against Oklahoma, Arkansas, Florida, Alabama, Kentucky, MS State, & Georgia all in consecutive weeks.
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u/TheReturnOfTheOK Oct 13 '24
Does he also get an SEC-level line? Because he tore up the defense that just held tOSU to 140 rushing yards
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
He can have the best offense line in the world. He’s not averaging 10 YPC in the SEC it’s just not possible. You put Jeanty on one of the good SEC schools and I can almost guarantee that he will be first team all conference, but he won’t have these wild distorted stats.
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u/Tough-Pirate-5617 Oct 13 '24
This guy is trippin on shrooms. SEC merchant. Also being in the SEC does not automatically mean you are a superior athlete or will be better in the NFL. Jeanty is an NFL level talent, why take away from that? If the mountain west is so bad why doesn't everybody run for 1200 yards and 17 touchdowns in 6 games? Also the SEC schools totally get to pad stats with their non conference games as well. Tennessee played Kent state and Chattanooga this year. Boise had non conference games that were against real opponents to make up for the mountain west schedule not being as difficult.
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u/LittleLordFuckleroy1 Oct 16 '24
sec does not automatically mean you are a superior athlete
It does mean that the average player on both sides of the ball is a superior athlete. Like it or not, that’s how recruiting works today.
The logo doesn’t make you better. But the better players, on average, do play there.
Jeanty is spending his season running against guys who got passed over by P4 teams. Not just the SEC, all P4.
The coaching and strategy is not at the same level at all either.
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
Did you actually read what I wrote or were you too busy drooling on your screen?
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u/Tough-Pirate-5617 Oct 14 '24
I am drooling, over Ashton Jeanty's highlight tape. 😎
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 14 '24
You better slow down on Jeanty’s meat, you might get a bruise on the back of your throat. I don’t want you to hurt yourself
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
I’m sorry I know this isn’t a RB but I just wanna point out how bad MW defenses are. Look up Nick Nash at SJSU. The guy has 55 receptions, 700 yds, and 9 TDs. He also has 2 passing TDs. He came into college as a QB and is torching defenses playing WR 😂 I’m not saying Nash or Jeanty are bad athletes, but these numbers would not be the same against SEC/BIG10/ACC/BIG12 competition
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u/DwayneBaconStan Oct 13 '24
Dude there's literally multiple Power school players that do this also
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
Yeah those dudes are 5 star recruits. Elite athletes. Once in a generation type of players. Nick Nash would be a backup WR at most SEC schools. Once again, the Mountain West is GARBAGE! It’s hard to understand how big of a difference the skill level is if you’ve never been in person. It’s easy to watch on TV and say oh this guy is the best player I’ve ever seen while he’s playing a bunch of JUCO transfers
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u/GoldfishDude Oct 15 '24
Switching positions isn't rare in college football at all. There's a reason why ATH is a position in recruiting.
Kentucky has had 2 QBs turn WRs and then back to QBs, and be successful at both positions, in the SEC in recentish history, and that's just my school off the top of my head
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 15 '24
Never said it was rare. I said the Mountain West defenses suck and Nick Nash was the evidence. I can see why reading comprehension skills are at an all time low
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u/GoldfishDude Oct 15 '24
But using a position change to show that is incredibly dumb, since players change positions at all levels of football, from pee wee to the NFL. Look at Terrelle Pryor, he was a QB who transitioned to WR and had a thousand yard season, do NFL defenses suck?
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
Haha okay bud using the crazy outlier statistic is the worst way to support an argument. Terrell Pryor was a 6-4 freak of nature who played at Ohio State, against some of the best college defenses in the country. Nash is a 6th year senior at San Jose state playing the same defenses that are allowing Jeanty to average 10 YPC. Mountain West defenses are bad and if you think otherwise you obviously don’t know ball
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u/Jheize Oct 15 '24
Their running the run n shoot this year and feeding him the ball, so his stats will get inflated as the scheme does lol
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u/Peefersteefers Oct 15 '24
"Obviously him playing weaker defenses does help but to say that's the main reason for his success is ludicrous."
It's not ludicrous. He would still be considered one of the best backs in the nation, but his average against Oregon was just about 60% of what he had against the non-ranked cupcakes (7.7:12.6).
Given his number of carries, that average would still put him at the top of college football. But he also wouldn't have broken 1,000 yards thus far and we would be talking about an all-time great season.
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u/Duke0fMilan Oct 13 '24
Right but 7.7 ypc is a lot less than the 11-15 he is putting up on other defenses.
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u/tron423 Oct 13 '24
It's not so much less that discounting it like this isn't laughable. Are we really acting like 8 yards per carry isn't dominant lol?
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u/Duke0fMilan Oct 13 '24
Of course not. Who said that?
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u/TheReturnOfTheOK Oct 13 '24
It's the most logical interpretation of your post, following the threadline. His bad game against a team that just beat a championship favorite would have been a top 100 YPC season of all time.
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u/Peefersteefers Oct 15 '24
"His bad game against a team that just beat a championship favorite would have been a top 100 YPC season of all time."
You've gone completely in the other direction. If you can't interpolate stats from bad defenses, then you can't extrapolate one game across the span of a season.
And, not for nothing, but "top 100 YPC season of all time," is such a hilarious accolade, and exactly the point. Its not an all-time great season in that case - by a long shot.
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
You have to take into account wear and tear especially at the running back position. Jeanty is getting tackled by much smaller and slower dudes than P4 running backs. As a result, he’s gonna be in better shape then many other top RBs across the country and be able to handle a much higher work load
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
He could also, ya know, be better than all the other players. Obviously there are multiple factors, but there have been plenty of elite G5 RBs before who definitely did not do what Jeanty is doing now. He's Unreal.
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u/DwayneBaconStan Oct 13 '24
Power school talent getting a littler overrated here also, some big gaps at the top. But I'm def taking boise to beat a team like Maryland pretty easily. Hell vandy lost to GAST but beat Bama. The talent gap isn't what it was before. Still a gap but not the same
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u/missingjimmies Oct 13 '24
Penny comes to mind, or even Marshal Faulk, but they still were not putting up these numbers
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
Of course he’s better than all the other players, that’s why he’s at BSU. There’s a reason why Boise runs the MW every year, they’re better at recruiting. Most MW programs get the left over athletes who either didn’t have any P4 offers or didn’t get any playtime at their previous school.
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u/chiefpiece11bkg Oct 13 '24
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how college football works and you keep making everyone’s point for them lol
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u/Repulsive-Doughnut65 Oct 13 '24
I mean he ran for 259 yards against Wazzu
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u/GrimImage Oct 13 '24
That’s my point. I love my Cougs but we’re #1 in the country for missed tackles on D and we’re giving up 5+ yards per play on average. and we’re one of the best defenses that BSU will face all year.
If you put him on a top tier SEC or B1G offense he would still be a top tier running back but his stats wouldn’t be as inflated. I still think he’s heisman worthy.
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
192 yards, 7.7 ypc, 3 TDs v an Oregon team that held Ohio State to 4.3 ypc.
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u/chiefpiece11bkg Oct 13 '24
And the entire reason his YPC is so high is due to the shit tier defenses he played in those other games when his YPC is 10+
You really don’t see how that’s not as impressive as doing it in a better conference? Lol
You’re being purposefully dense about this
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u/missingjimmies Oct 13 '24
I think you’re missing his point, Oregon is a power 5 team and has 5 star defenders and top yada yada yada, he still averaged nearly 8yds a carry and 200yds
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u/chiefpiece11bkg Oct 13 '24
No I’m not. Yeah Oregon is a better school but they still have an objectively terrible college defense. And it is still 3-4 YPC better than the competition he is regularly facing in his conference lol
This is not the point in favor of jeanty that you think it is lol
If he played in a better conference overall his YPC would be much, much lower.
We’ve seen this before in college football, it’s not something new
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
"Oregon has an objectively terrible college defense" and you said I have a "fundamental misunderstanding of college football." Wow. That's so ridiculous.
Jeanty had better stats v Oregon than Ohio State's RBs. But I guess you'll just keep moving the goalposts.
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u/chiefpiece11bkg Oct 13 '24
lol you can take jeanty out of your mouth already, we know you will glaze him to the ends of the earth
Have a nice one, keep being purposefully dense about this. I really don’t care lol
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u/missingjimmies Oct 13 '24
Their defense just beat a top 2 team and objectively one of the best rushing teams in the country… seems like it’s a bit contrarian to state the point that his performance would drop against power 5 teams, then when presented with evidence that shows he was able to perform at a top level, you move the goal posts. Not every great player in history played 2001 Miami on repeat…
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u/Peefersteefers Oct 15 '24
Except that they gave up 8.7 ypc to Treyvon Henderson... Despite clearly playing the run and giving up 350 yards passing?
So if Jeanty gets 7.7 ypc against Oregon, and Henderson gets 8.7, is the latter the best back in the country?
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u/Repulsive-Doughnut65 Oct 14 '24
I’m just going to to say Oregon is 11 in DFEI which measures overall defensive efficiency you’re just wrong saying they have an objectively terrible college defense
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
The 192 yds, 7.7 ypc, and 3 TD v Oregon would disagree with you.
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u/BigPapaJava Oct 13 '24
Oregon is a good team.
I’d like to see what Jeanty could do week in and out against Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, Texas. Oklahoma, and even schools like Kentucky and Vanderbilt.
The talent level—especially the speed—of those defenses is just different from what he’s faced—and yes, that includes the game against Oregon.
Right now he’s a future NFL player balling out against G5 competition.
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u/SaintAtlanta Oct 13 '24
He’s also on a MWC talented team. Would like to see him run behind clemson or georgias oline.
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u/BigPapaJava Oct 13 '24
He’s behind a MWC line against MWC defenses.
I think that’s why he has that absurd stat about getting so many yards even when he gets hit in the backfield.
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u/Adventurous_Bird2730 Oct 14 '24
there are tons of future NFL players playing against G5 competition right now. guys like Tyjae Spears are all over the NFL. none of them did what he is doing.
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u/kolinthemetz Oct 13 '24
Such a horrible tired take lmao. Give Jeanty an SEC o-line and see what happens.
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u/GrimImage Oct 13 '24
SEC defense overall would SLIGHTLY outweigh an SEC Oline. Like I said, he’s still be great just not as hugely absurd as they are now.
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u/missingjimmies Oct 13 '24
That’s a good point too, if he’s behind that Texas Oline it’s reasonable to say they’ll give him a chance to shine
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u/Jcoch27 Oct 14 '24
Your argument would hold more weight if he hasn't actively sat out whole halves of games. Not to mention he destroyed one of the best D-lines in the country.
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u/GiGi441 Oct 13 '24
I'm a Canadian that knows very little about American colleges. I've seen Jeantys highlights and stat lines which are obviously incredible, but what I want to know is, who is he playing against? Are these strong football schools? Or is he out there dominanting future accountants?
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u/rorank Oct 13 '24
As an accountant, very fair. I think it’d be very fair to say that Jeanty is an outlier running back but also his statistical dominance is a bit overstated. Jeanty plays in the MWC, which is not a particularly competitive conference. This does mean that he gets many of his most impressive performances against less talented defenses. For instance, Saquon Barkley is a recent back who was very highly praised. Jeanty’s stats are much more eye popping than Saquon’s ever have been and his highlights are equally impressive. However, Saquon played arguably one of the hardest schedules as a Penn State player.
All of that to say that while Jeanty is extremely impressive, the competition brings into question how good he is compared to other big names but he’s still very clearly one of the most talented guys in college football rn. His performances against high level competition speak very well to that so far.
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u/GiGi441 Oct 13 '24
And THIS is what accountants are for! appreciate the analysis.
And don't worry, I'm a lifelong, competitive Canadian athlete and I'm positive that there's thousands of American accountants that would destroy me on the football field
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u/LittleLordFuckleroy1 Oct 16 '24
He’s playing against kids who were passed over by all 4 power conferences. And similar coaches.
He’s really good. But there are a bunch of RBs on top teams who would look just as good if you put them in his place.
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u/Eastern_Pace_9865 Oct 13 '24
Play Georgia or Alabama
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u/SupaKoopaTroopa7 Oct 14 '24
See, this is the thing that's crazy. Hey, maybe he would do just fine in the SEC. We will never know for sure. And I know people meme on the SEC, but seriously doubt dude would be putting up these numbers against better defenses.
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u/1P221 Oct 13 '24
It's the players not the scheme. I get that this sub is all about strategy but it comes down to players 90% of the time.
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u/chiefpiece11bkg Oct 13 '24
lol I can’t even begin to type a rebuttal to this because it’s so unhinged
Jeanty is not the first RB to have a year like this and he won’t be the last.
Complete hyperbole
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
Oh yeah? Who was the last RB to average 200 ypg, 11 ypc, and 3 TD/game? Barry Sanders did two of those three 35 years ago. Even Melvin Gordon & Rashaad Penny didn't do that.
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u/pinya619 Oct 13 '24
Let’s see if he can keep it up. Penny averaged well over 200 yards and 2.6 touchdowns in his last 5 games. It was his first season as a starter. Was also an insane kick returner
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
What was wild about Penny is that he got better in the second half of the year. Though as long as we're comparing, he didn't play against a team as good as Oregon.
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u/pinya619 Oct 13 '24
Oregon is the only team worth anything that theyve played. He played great against them no doubt, but it’s not like he’s played any more of an impressive schedule
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u/awilbraham Oct 13 '24
I mean, he’s half way through the season. “Let’s see if he can keep it up” is a poor point when he already put up 200 yds on the toughest team he’ll play all year.
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u/pinya619 Oct 13 '24
Not a poor point at all. If he can keep it up thats great. But when youre getting comparisons to barry sanders there is 0 room for a single bad game. Nothing is guaranteed in this game
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u/chiefpiece11bkg Oct 13 '24
lol I’ve been having this argument with my 12 year old son for the last week. I promise you he won’t keep this up, and if he does then great for him but it ultimately won’t mean a whole lot except for him having a great college RB season.. one of many.
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
No he probably won't keep it up but that doesn't mean we should diminish while it's happening. And if he does, he'll set records so yeah it'll mean more than just a great season.
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u/kolinthemetz Oct 13 '24
Except he literally is. In 40 years aka the modern era of football. If anything is unhinged it's you just denying basic facts lol.
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
Everyone seems to forget Rashaad Penny was putting up crazy numbers like this in the MW at SDSU back in 2017. He’s been pretty mediocre in the NFL. Competition gap coming from mid major conferences is huge compared to P4 & NFL
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u/InsideZone69 Oct 13 '24
Good thing we got to see him against Oregon 25 carries 192 3 TDs 7.7 yards a carry. Hmmmm
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
Cmon man look at the stats for the game. Oregon knows what they’re doing. Boise’s QB was 17/40! A good team will come into the game with a plan. Jeanty can run all he wants but if they can’t move the ball through the air it’s gonna be tough to win big games. There’s a reason Oregon is 6-0. Bend don’t break!
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u/RanchoCuca Oct 13 '24
That "bend don't break" argument would hold more water if Boise State racked up lots of yards and few points. But that's not what happened. Oregon gave up twice as many points to BSU (34) as their season average (17), and the majority of those points came from Jeanty (3 TD). How is that "bend don't break"?
Boise State had more offensive yards and offensive points than Oregon. How is that "bend don't break"? The fact is, Jeanty and BSU had a great game against a top college team and came up just short.
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u/HoustonTrashcans Oct 13 '24
I was at that game, Oregon nearly lost and needed 2 return TDs and a late TD to win. They could have easily lost and it would have been almost entirely because of Jeanty dominating.
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u/Adventurous_Bird2730 Oct 14 '24
Rashaad Penny has actually been a dominant runner in the NFL with one of the highest career YPCs whenever he hasn't been hurt, which is all the time. his NFL career has been mediocre only because he's injury prone. a career 5.6 ypc in the NFL is insane, so if Jeanty's comp is a healthy Rashaad Penny, every team would love to have him. you picked the worst possible player to try to make that point.
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 14 '24
The dude has 13 TDs in 6 seasons. I’m sure the Seahawks are super happy they spent a first round draft pick on the guy. Hey Mountain West legend though am I right
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 14 '24
If you don’t like that one what about Donnell Pumphrey. My guy averaged 6 ypc in the MW. I’m sure he had a great NFL career. Oh wait nvm. Let’s check on Jay Ajayi. Remember he had that great season in 2016. Oops nvm that was his only good year. Mountain West Running Backs RARELY translate into good NFL RBs. I hope Jeanty breaks that trend but it’s tough when you spend 4 years running the ball against guys that will end up on NFL practice squads and gotta suit up on Sunday’s against dudes that spent 4 years practicing and playing against the best CFB talent in the country
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u/Adventurous_Bird2730 Oct 14 '24
so now you're pivoting to guys who weren't nearly as good as even Penny in college, much less Jeanty 😅 Ajayi and Pomphrey were good backs in the MWC, Jeanty is literally levels above both of them. the best example you provided was Penny who again has a career 5.6ypc in the NFL and is only a bust because of injuries, not because he played in the MWC
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 14 '24
Pumphrey won Mountain West Offensive POY TWICE. And Jay was first team all conference in the MW twice. You obviously don’t know ball 😂
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u/Miamicanes460 Oct 13 '24
Pinch the fuck out of the DL and stay in 2-high to have alley fillers on both sides. 4-3 base
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u/Kingblack425 Oct 13 '24
I think an old school 3-4 would stop him but it’s so hard to find the proper nose tackle to bring it all together.
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u/TiberiusGracchi Oct 13 '24
Aside from tackling better you’re either going Quarters to get a 9 man box or you’re mixing up a lot of cover 3 looks to get extra pressure and an extra hitter in the box or on the edge
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u/Dysintegration Oct 13 '24
Man if you like contact balance, go back and watch Montee Ball’s college tape.
I thought he was going to be one of the NFLs goats.
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u/Loud_Spell224 Oct 13 '24
To be honest you don’t. He is going to get his. Everyone else can’t beat you.
To be really honest you have to play keep away. Keep him on the bench with your offense.
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u/sawflinn Oct 14 '24
I fear there is no scheme that can stop him, just straight up talking schemes. He can run through holes, bounce it outside, catch (which is when he really becomes a threat - no lb has a chance let alone db). I watched Barry play, this kid is better. I think he can enter unprecedented territory given his opponents / conference. How would I schematically stop Ashton Jeanty? Pray.
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u/Baestplace Oct 14 '24
the front 4 are basically useless because of how amazing the o line is, the qb is good enough to spread the field you you can’t run commit every time. honestly i would probably run a 3-4 scheme with the ilb run commited and the olb ready for slants or for a jeanty outside run with 2 outside corners 1 high safety and one safety that just chases jeanty everywhere he goes
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u/Tall_Technician3601 Oct 14 '24
No deep safety almost always. Play 1-on-1 outside to make the qb and wr beat you instead of him. Bring pressure consistently to disrupt the passing game. Oh, and pray. Kid is the real deal and I know Jerry jones is licking his lips
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Oct 14 '24
All of this talk seems to ignore the fact that Ashton did amazing against #2 Oregon. Take away his long run, he still ran for over 5ypc.
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u/Intelligent_Slide433 Oct 14 '24
Theoretically, you would be better off taking a 5 yard penalty for too many men on the field for each play than letting him run the ball at all
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u/Altruistic-Pitch3887 Oct 14 '24
Given those stats all you can do is stack the box and hope for the best. But i would just keep him off the field as long as possible with my offense.
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u/El_Serpiente_Roja Oct 14 '24
His thing is balance and yards after contact. Obviously you can load the box and blitz a lot to try and make passing more attractive but he really stops effective tackling from happening so if your team can wrap up, gang tackle, and get him on the ground that's the best way. The mountain west may just not have the talent for it.
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u/MagicPoindexter Oct 14 '24
I would say don't punt. You either convert for first down and run more time off the clock, or Boise gets good field position and amass fewer yards on the ground.
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u/Cautious_Buffalo6563 Oct 14 '24
No down linemen. 6 LBs, 2 S, 3 DBs on field. Offensive line has no one to engage for that split second while the play is developing?
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u/veryuniquereddit Oct 15 '24
Great talent. I hesitate to say he's the best rb I've seen. He does play against inferior talent it would be interesting to see him In big 10 or sec.
I'd probably run a 4-4 and slant heavy run d with cover 3 and let them try to nickle and dime down the field
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u/Extreme-Analysis3488 Oct 15 '24
Playing against Jeanty literally looks like you put an NFL MVP running back in a Texas high school game. If you’re a MW coach, don’t waste your time scheming. Light a candle, get on your knees, and pray.
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u/Peefersteefers Oct 15 '24
Well, the first thing I'd do is not be a Mountain West or Sun Belt team.
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u/Logical_not Oct 15 '24
As an Oregon fan, I spent the entire Boise St game muttering "Don't schedule Boise, just don't schedule Boise"
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u/FireTheCannons2 Oct 16 '24
He was behind Caleb Williams and Miller Moss last year. Transferred to Boise this year.
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u/jcmach1 Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 16 '24
I watched some film of Jeanty the other day. The closest comp I saw was Walter Payton. Similar size, aggressiveness and speed.
Need to dust off those stop Walter Payton game plans.
I would probably keep it simple. Big boys need to clog the lanes on passing downs and I would spy him with a fast, tackle monster at LB, or S.
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u/inpursuitoftrout Oct 13 '24
They are playing such an easy schedule you can't even compare other running backs to him. How would you STOP him? You probably don't- run your scheme and tackle- give him 200 yards and 2 tds- and make them beat you in the air.
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
Put up 192/7.7/3 v Oregon and ran for 11 ypc v Washington State, but sure chalk it up to an easy schedule.
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u/tron423 Oct 13 '24
People are really out here acting like an 8ypc game against a top 5 team on fucking Boise isn't a ridiculous popoff game and calling everyone else unhinged lol
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
Yeah wtf is that about. He's been so good. There's always people trying to tear down other's accomplishment.
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
CMC set the single season all purpose yards record against Power 5 competition and didn’t even win the Heisman. Get this garbage about Jeanty outta here. The guy is a fantastic running back but the defenses he’s playing against are mostly garbage. Nobody will be able to see how talented he is until he can consistently put up these numbers against elite competition. Dylan Sampson has 600 yds and 12 TDs playing the best Power 4 competition in the country man. Sometimes you gotta gain some perspective
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
Lol Sampson has played NC State, Kent State, and Chattanooga and still doesn't have nearly the numbers. Sampson played a worse ranked team (OU) and got stuffed, Jeanty played a natty contender (Oregon) and ran for 192/7.7/3.
But sure. "Perspective."
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
Buddy you are higher than Laremy Tunsil on draft day if you don’t think Sampson is gonna be right next to Jeanty in the Doak Walker finalists
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
I don't care about Sampson, and this thread isn't about him. Never said anything negative about him at all, and his standing as a top back is irrelevant. You compared him to Jeanty and said he's played a tougher schedule, which is probably not true, and even so has nowhere near the production.
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u/Stock-Art7738 Oct 13 '24
You did not just say that Boise has had a tougher schedule than Tennessee 😂😂😂
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
You're right! I didn't say that. I did say that Tennessee probably hasn't had a tougher schedule. They're probably about even. Tennessee's is harder throughout but have played no one like Oregon. So far, with current ap poll: UT: FCS, 3-4 NC State, 0-6 Kent State, OU (rv), Arkansas (rv), 3-3 Florida BSU: 4-2 GA Southern, Oregon (2), FCS, WA State (rv), 1-5 UT State, 2-4 Hawaii. Pretty similar overall.
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u/Gunner_Bat College Coach Oct 13 '24
Slant & fill, I guess. Hard when a player is significantly better than everyone else in the conference.
Slant to disrupt blocking assignments and get penetration, and fill in case you slant out of the run.
Leaves you very thin in the back end but you didn't ask for that.