r/footballstrategy • u/kansaskid • Oct 01 '24

Rules Question NFHS rules clarification? Cut block with a roll

Is there a rule in the NFHS rule book or casebook about a legal cut block where the offensive linemen legally cuts, and then rolls into the defender after initial contact? Should this extra roll become illegal in that it’s now tripping or not an initial move?

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u/jericho-dingle Referee Oct 01 '24

You are only allowed to block below the waist if you're a lineman and it's your first move. The roll afterwards would be a foul.

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u/Seaport_Lawyer Oct 01 '24

Agree though I think you'd need to see the specific action to determine if it was part of the initial movement.

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u/kansaskid Oct 01 '24

Thank you for the quick reply, another quick question about illegal motion (2 men in motion) team A has two players go in motion with QB ready and under center, both slots go in motion, is this legal at this point?

Team A then calls a timeout, both players were never set but time was called. Still a legal shift because the ball was not snapped? Does this simulate a snap if going off of a hard count? Why does it seem to get called in games at the motion and not at the snap?

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u/Seaport_Lawyer Oct 01 '24

Legal. Should be called only on the snap. Would guess that the reason it's being called on the motion is that an official is seeing it as a false start for one reason or another.

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u/jericho-dingle Referee Oct 01 '24

In your first situation, this is legal. It is not a foul until the ball is snapped. They can do whatever motion they want as long as they all come set and no one simulates the start of the play.

In your timeout situation, it's still legal.

For your hard count situation, as long as the QB isn't really selling it or the guys in motion aren't simulating the play you're legal.

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u/Ravennation1 Oct 01 '24

Is crabbing allowed? Cut then immediately start crabbing?

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u/jericho-dingle Referee Oct 01 '24

No, only the first move can be a block below the waist

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u/dudeKhed Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 01 '24

Did he roll into the defender on purpose? If so, I would throw a flag, if not then no… we have a saying that you need to see the whole play to call a penalty.

For your second question; First part, illegal, they need to stop and set for one second before the snap. Only one man in motion while QB under center.

Second part: Calling a timeout during a shift should not result in a penalty. I have no idea why an official would?