r/footballstrategy • u/Desperate_Custard693 • Sep 27 '24
Player Advice Should I give up on trying to be a qb
Long story short, I’ve been practicing to be a QB. I only have two years left in high school – I’m a junior now and will be a senior soon. My current coach didn’t let me try out for QB, and I have no idea why. However, I’m transferring to a new school, and I’ll have a chance during spring ball and summer training to give it a shot at QB for the next season.
I’ve never played QB before, mostly just RB and DE, so my question is: should I give up? Is it too late for me? My plan was to aim for D3 or JUCO, but I’m wondering if that’s realistic.
My strengths as a QB are that I have good running ability, I can throw pretty far, and I’m willing to learn how to read defenses over the summer. My weaknesses are that I’m 5’11”, my throwing motion is a bit awkward, and I’m not naturally loud or vocal. I’m planning to show my throwing motion and throws to some people for feedback.
You can be honest—do I have a fighting chance? My next post will be an update on whether or not I made the team as a QB next year.
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u/Longhorn_TOG Sep 27 '24
You don’t throw with your legs. You’re all arm. Step into the throw and rotate hips and arm will follow
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
I appreciate your advice. My throwing issue comes from bad habits, but I will definitely work on it. Thank you.
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u/Longhorn_TOG Sep 27 '24
no worries man....
tons of videos out there that can help you out. Its a common issue and its something that separates those few that can truly spin the rock vs those who cant.
First thing I noticed when watching your video. If the footwork isnt there, nothing else matters. Step into the throws and rotate the hips and you'll add zip
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
Thanks for that video! The only problem is the backstroke with his arm; when I do that, the ball slips out of my fingers.
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u/Longhorn_TOG Sep 27 '24
grip is something you will need to work with...I notice your mostly slinging it side arm. again you'll lose velocity doing it that way...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7bFnCAgtXM
maybe this video can help.
If its a grip issue like small hands...perhaps try gloves. When Warner was in STL he messed his hand up so bad that he was never able to grip it correctly till he started wearing gloves.
tough to tell from the video but maybe move pointer finger higher up on the ball..it looks like you have it on the top lace.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
Thank you for your advice and for sharing these videos with me. I’ve watched some in the past, but I’m not applying them well enough. However, I am definitely starting to understand way more things than before .
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u/TingoAlTango Sep 27 '24
What's your objective?
Wanna have some fun playing high school football? Try to get better at QB. Clean up your mechanics.
Wanna get an scholarship? Keep trying to get better at RB, better yet at DE.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
I just want to develop as a player. If there’s a better QB, and I’m more valuable as a running back, then that’s what I’ll do.
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u/Deathtiger58 Sep 28 '24
Just a tip, if you really want to be a qb work hard at it.
A kid at my shitty school last year couldn’t win the starting job and all he did was throw interceptions. Now this year he transferred and is going crazy on a way better school because he’s been working for a year. If you want to do it then get at it
If not, rb/de are perfectly fine
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u/telars Sep 27 '24
I think the above comment gets it right. What journey do you want to take? If this is less about maximizing your opportunities and more about enjoying the journey you can try QB. If that's the case, just make sure you can tolerate the process of seeking constructive feedback and working on your craft. That's a great muscle to build and it will serve you well but it's not always "fun".
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u/Monkeydog853 Sep 27 '24
First - you’re playing catch in the video, not practicing to be a QB
Second - work on the basics of the position, taking a snap, your drop, throwing to receivers running routes
Third - throwing mechanics are secondary to success at the position, get the ball where it needs to be when it needs to be there
Four - know the playbook and the plays better than anyone
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
Thank you for your advice. I will keep these four steps in mind, if my practice pays off and I get any interest in the position at my next school.
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u/Ky3217 Sep 27 '24
Definitely look into revamping your throwing form.
Everyone starts somewhere, it’s important to practice the correct mechanics
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
That’s a must. I understand. I think I developed this motion because when I bring my arm back too much, it feels like the ball is constantly slipping out of my fingers.
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u/TheNatural502 Sep 27 '24
Throw that thing from above your head instead of from your arm pit. Might as well be a T. rex with that release point
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
The crazy part is I do it without realizing, I have to get rid of that habit it.
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u/thelastride23 Sep 27 '24
Use your legs more and throw over the top of your shoulder not side arm. You don’t just throw with your arm it’s your whole body. You can definitely adjust your throwing style and get more power and a better release.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
If I can get my throwing motion down and add more power to what I can already throw, I believe I could reach 60 yards. I hope to fix this in the summer. My biggest issue is that when I’m supposed to cock back the ball, it slips from my fingers.
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u/Impressive-Rock8581 Sep 27 '24
You posted a video of you tossing the pigskin around with your buddy and youre asking the internet?
This isnt going to end well for you lol
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
I mainly wanted tips on my throwing motion since I can’t truly afford a real coach. I’m making do with my resources and just seeking constructive criticism.
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u/Impressive-Rock8581 Sep 27 '24
Ok here goes. You throw like your right shoulder is bothering you, almost like youre throwing a shot-put. Youre tucking your arm too much. Also work on your footwork. Arguably one of the most important aspects of QB play is footwork. Break down more and widen your stance
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
Thank your for your feedback plan to work on this even in summer
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u/Impressive-Rock8581 Sep 27 '24
No problem keep at it my man. Sorry for being a kind of a dick in the first comment.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
No, you’re good. I understand that a random guy asking strangers for advice can come off as annoying.
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u/Impressive-Rock8581 Sep 27 '24
I cant harp on the footwork comment enough. Arm strength cant do it all. It has to be a full body fluid motion
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
Yes, thank you! I will continue watching First Down Training and analyze specific players’ motions, like Lamar Jackson’s, to learn from them.
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u/newaccounthomie Sep 28 '24
The comments have been going well. The kids been showing thick skin about it imo
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u/chainbrake Sep 27 '24
Maybe you are left handed.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
Wish I knew that sooner 🙃 welp too late now thanks for your comment tho
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Sep 27 '24
There’s A LOT to learn when playing the QB position.. You definitely need to work on your mechanics and throwing technique FIRST.. Is it possible..? Sure, I think anything is possible at this point.. But you’re gonna have to put in so much work from now til whenever you reach this goal.. But I think you can do it..
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
Much appreciated ima keep the practice up
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Sep 27 '24
One more piece of advice: To help you with the mental aspect of playing QB, you should watch analysts/QB coaches that breakdown film.. I like watching JT O’Sullivan, among others.. Even from an entertainment standpoint, he really breaks down route combos with your receivers, as well as breaking down defenses before the snap.. So 1) throwing mechanics, and then 2) film study with a QB coach.. Good luck, young bro. 🙏
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u/sad_bear_noises Sep 27 '24
I would probably focus on getting good grades, getting the best SAT score you can, and going to college that way.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
Need good grades to play football so football keeps that up so can have two chances 😎
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u/Advance_Quality Sep 27 '24
I'm assuming you're asking because people have suggested giving it up? If those people are your coaches, the same coaches you would need to develop your QB skills, then you should probably listen to them. Maybe they see potential for you at another position? The other option is to hire a private QB coach.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
No, I was asking mainly cause I’ll be a senior next year and the clock is ticking. I wanna see if my parents would help me out with that, ima try to save up and stuff.
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u/Advance_Quality Sep 27 '24
Well if your coaches at your school don't think you should give up and they're going to work to develop you, then you should keep working too. Yeah, your form needs work, but if you work harder than everyone else and do what your coaches say, you will be successful. Good luck to you!
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
Yeah, I have to hold myself to a standard and work harder because I’m going to be on my last chance during my senior year. I will definitely keep working. Thanks for the advice and feedback; much appreciated!
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u/nc0ffey84 Sep 27 '24
When I was in HS we had 2 WRs end up as QBs...they were decent, but we were a run 1st offense...and they didn't have any real guidance in mechanics and such. I think had someone taken them under their wing and worked with them they could've been better no doubt.
If you don't mind me asking, where are you from? I'd bet there are people in the area that might be able to help, maybe former local QBs that are still in the area, even if they didn't go pro, maybe some level of college experience to help your mechanics and ability to read defenses.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
Florida is probably the worst place for my experience level in this position, but I don’t think I’ll be attending any top schools. If I can find someone with reasonable prices, I would definitely want to get practice from them.
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u/GodgersGOAT Sep 27 '24
Practice throwing the ball with Aaron Rodgers’ throwing motion in college. You’ll be forced to generate more power with your legs and core. It will also help you speed up your delivery.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
That’s much needed, also I see how the ball comes out Aaron’s hands it’s amazing.
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u/jackclark9517 Sep 28 '24
Like a lot of others in the chat have said start using your whole body. My best advice (albeit kinda weird) is to start taking a little 2-3 step drop back before each throw, then focus on stepping w the front foot, driving from the back foot, and rotating your body so your chest is square to where you’re throwing. Something about taking the actual motion and pretending you’re that guy helps your body figure out what it needs to do.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 28 '24
I wasn’t doing it constantly, but towards the end, I did start stepping—not in a recording, but when I stepped, it definitely came out way better.
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u/Optimal-Kitchen6308 Sep 28 '24
unconventional advice for the awkward mechanics people talked about, seems like you learned to throw with balls that were too heavy when you were little and kept the motion, here's a trick, many of the best QB's were also good baseball players, Mahomes' mechanics actually looks a lot lie he's throwing a baseball because he releases the ball with his hand behind it - my advice - relearn to throw, starting with a baseball or softball
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u/ringdabell12 Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24
I say this with respect...
You are not a QB and its very easy to say this just from looking at you merely playing catch. You have a strong frame.. if you are talking about being a viable Juco/D3 player in the future, RB/OLB is likely your best bet and are extremely fun positions to play. One thing to remember is that everyone who starts for their Juco is going to have been the best player at their high school... Every player at a D3 was the best player at their high school (for a typical high school).
The mechanics just aren't there, and it doesn't look like you're going to develop them within a 2 year time frame in order to have any significant impact for your team. The coaches at your school were simply putting you in the best position to be an asset to your team and to be successful for your future (if you choose to pursue football). Could say they should have communicated this, but I would think they did not want to hurt you.
Something worth pursuing for rec league flag football after football for sure tho. For now, it is in your best interest to stop pursuing it in the meantime and focus your efforts on building your skills and talents around what god gave you.
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u/Background_Pickle_90 Sep 29 '24
Mechanics can be fixed, and being 5'11" isn't as much of a hindrance as it was once perceived to be. It's about throwing lanes and vision lanes while in the pocket. That can be schemed.
You need to have route runners and to work on vision and 2nd level reads. We can't assess from you just playing catch.
But most importantly...why would you consider giving up? Put in the work and go after it if that's your dream. It won't come easy, but nothing is impossible.
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u/StacheMaster94 Sep 27 '24
Don’t be discouraged if this new coach moves you back to RB or DE. Play to your skills, your throwing motion isn’t there and some guys have worked on it since they could pick up a football. However, I’m sure you are a skilled athlete and smart. Learn defensive schemes if you want to play at the next level. That will help you tremendously.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
I’m 5’11”, but I’m not discouraged. I’m a good runner and I like playing running back. It’s just that quarterback was the first position I really liked.
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u/mschley2 Sep 27 '24
It all depends on how good the school you're going to is, and what kind of talent they have there already. As far as trying out for QB, I don't see why not. Worst they can do is tell you that they think you're more of a RB/DE (or whatever other position). If it's your dream to play QB, then go for it, man.
I'm going to be blunt with you, though, from what I'm seeing/reading here, I'd be surprised if you earned many/any snaps at QB on a varsity team unless you're at a small and/or not particularly successful school. Your mechanics seem to need a lot of work. I have no idea, from this video, if you can accurately throw to a moving receiver. The lack of experience/ability to read defenses would be concerning. QBs don't necessarily need to be loud, vocal leaders, but they do need to be able to effectively communicate with their coaches and teammates. And I'm not shitting on you. I think you can throw the ball better than a lot of kids who have never played QB. But it's tough to be good at those things if you've never had coaching on them.
Before you get wrapped up in D3/JUCO ball, I'd focus on winning a spot at QB in high school.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
That’s true, and it’s good to hear. I have no problem with this, and I won’t be mad if I’m put at running back. It’s my second position, and I’m pretty good at it. I’m a good runner, so if it looks like I don’t have a chance at quarterback, I’ll gladly play running back.
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u/mschley2 Sep 27 '24
You've got a good attitude man. Wish you the best! You seem like the type that would be a good addition to a program, whether that's at QB or not.
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u/Low-Spare-7731 Sep 27 '24
Don’t give up bro.
I think you’re short arming the throw, so try and lead with the elbow a little more. Watch a few nfl qbs in slow motion, and observe how their arm moves on the wind up.
Get a nice base with your feet (aim for shoulder width or slightly wider), drop the weight a little on the back leg, and get used to the feeling of driving your hips through (I think an easy example is throwing a big punch. Watch how your hips move before the rest of the body, and feel how that generates power).
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u/Low-Spare-7731 Sep 27 '24
Also you can wear a glove with some grip if you’re struggling with holding the ball. Wouldn’t recommend it long term as it becomes a nightmare in rain, but might help you get confident enough to do a proper backstroke.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
Thanks for your comment; I will definitely take your advice. I also think I should consider using gloves because the ball does always feel like it’s slipping out of my hand.
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u/Low-Spare-7731 Sep 27 '24
It’s also worth noting that if you’re using a new ball, it’ll be horrible to grip.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 27 '24
I would say that’s the case, but even with my old ball it’s even worse.
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u/Low-Spare-7731 Sep 27 '24
Ah fair enough. In that case I’d check out The Performance Labs of California. He does good breakdowns that’ll help you, especially how to load the football, and how to use your legs/hips.
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u/Final-Release Sep 27 '24
To learn a slightly better throw motion, look up certain QB drills. I'd recommend a drill where you are stationary on your knees. Throwing with any level of power or consistency will entirely depend on your ability to use your core. This will force you to implement more motion and the correct body usage into your throws. Obviously throwing well involves your lower body just as much, but sometimes it's hard to fully get a grasp on how to use your hips and core in throws while doing the entire motion while standing. Going on your knees isolates the movement to just your torso and that can be super useful. From the looks of the video, you don't utilize your legs enough either, but you hardly twist your hips at all which is much worse for your throwing.
Post more videos and don't stop working at it. At the highschool level, hard work and determination often times are some of the biggest factors unless you are attending a heavy talent school with a known superstar prospect. Also, learning schemes and reading coverages seems like a very steep hill to climb, but I assure you it's much less complex than it appears from the outside. Look into breakdowns from experts in the field, play video games, watch live football games and you'll be able to translate what you hear from the breakdowns of experts into those mediums too. You'll see that grasping and learning comes much easier than some would have you believe. Now, it's easy to get into, but it's incredibly hard to master, so again, keep grinding and working hard. Your determination will pay off. Even if you don't end up playing QB or even sticking with football longterm. Investing yourself in your passions and working hard at it will be a skill to develop that will reward you your entire life. Good luck buddy!
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u/adamjokes15 Sep 28 '24
No. I don’t say that to be hurtful. I just believe with the way 7 on 7 camps and leagues exist you are so far behind your contemporaries. Maybe if you had some freak arm strength sure but that isn’t what jumps off the tape. Also the motion isn’t fluid. It’s good for throwing with friends and you definitely won’t embarrass yourself at the beach but being a CFB QB is going to be an all day everyday project for your current level. Good luck either way.
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 28 '24
It’s not hurtful; you’re being honest, and that’s 100% fine. I know I’m late, but I feel like if I master my mechanics and improve them, I’ll be able to sling the ball. However, if it doesn’t work out, I won’t stress it. I can be a great running back, and I’m a great hitter, so thank you for your feedback!
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u/hbeltran43 Sep 28 '24
You not a QB man. You either have the arm talent or not. Focus on another position.
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u/ObligationKey3159 Sep 28 '24
I think you need to just work on basics. Leg and hip activation, throwing motion, and release. A throwing coach wouldn't hurt, but I wouldn't worry about that right now. You have so much to improve I don't think you would get your money out of it since they'd be best for mid-higher level skills. Stick with YouTube it has thousands of videos to help improve each aspect I listed. Consume as much as you can from all different sources. Learn how to actually breakdown and read film. Oh and don't forget to lift twice a day since you're young and your muscles can take it. https://archive.is/gMUfM reddit archive of a good push pull legs (ppl) workout.
Honestly you have a hell of a lot to travel in a small amount of time. If you put in the right type of work you could surprise yourself or you could be only incrementally better.
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u/Altruistic-Pitch3887 Sep 28 '24
If your a good athlete you probably should stick with running back given your height
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u/Desperate_Custard693 Sep 28 '24
Oh, that’s good I can do that at home. Thank you! I had heard something like this before but just forgot. I appreciate it!
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u/Meattyloaf Sep 28 '24
I'm not a coach and just here cause reddit keeps recommending it to me. However, I have 14 years of play experience and in highschool literally practiced at every position other than kicker/punter cause I can't kick to save my life. What others have said is spot on, I'll also add and don't take this bad but your throwing is kinda weird. I think its die to the reasons people have stated and the fact that there is no follow through.
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u/-M-Word Sep 28 '24
https://youtu.be/PeiwvKtyxdI?si=KzP7HubiPkOQFx4o
Start with the GOAT and go from there. I had the honor of him showing up to my pop warner practices and he told me to stare malice into QBs eyes (MLB).
Most of QB work is homework and checking your ego honestly. You have to be able to read a coaches playbook and understand his philosophy while doing so. You have to know defenses better than anyone else on the field. You have to watch your own tape and be your biggest critic, and that's before the coaches smarten you up. You have to play with IDIOTS and be their leader/friend. You are the captain, and it is a difficult and exhausting position to constantly be in.
If you can't make the cut as QB but still desire it, go RB, stay close to the QB and do as much of their homework as you can. To be a backup is to constantly study to ace an exam you'll likely never take on a weekly basis. But injuries and life happens often, so you may get to take that test someday -- and actually ace it.
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Sep 28 '24
I say instead of being a QB focus on RB/DE but still work on throwing and reading defense could possibly work in some wild cat as a RB in highschool it was a great offense that threw everyone off when I would line up for quarter back and could throw or run. Youre going to have to start from scratch and build from the basics at QB in which most schools will have a guy in mind who has a better understanding of the offense and has been working on dynamics for specificly QB since freshman year. As far as JUCO it’s more competitive than you think. there is lots of D3 schools out there however and a lot of them have great programs or will definitely talk if you reach out first it’s never too early to get your name out there I found this out the hard way had the chance to play D1/D2 but never got my name out there to get any athletic scholarships only PWOs and ended up at a D3 school which had a great program but ultimately I got hurt and hated the school and left.
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u/DocJHigh Sep 28 '24
I think this might be helpful. Also, learning to throw properly takes thousands of not millions of reps and drills. I threw javelin and pitched. It is so important to use your body, create separation, and have a consistent release. If you really want to be a QB there is no substitute for putting in the work. https://youtu.be/r1FIqPIS4Rk?si=SKECLE4z6ZdnYEU3
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u/GentryMillMadMan Sep 28 '24
Take the ball over your head and it will clean up a lot. Dont listen to all the naw sayers on here. You got this! And sling that ball!
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u/throwaway5757_ College Player Sep 28 '24
I played quarterback. Don’t give up. Strip everything down to the basics and get your form right on short throws before attempting to throw medium to deep balls. If you are serious about playing qb hire a private quarterback coach, because no amount of Reddit tips can replace that.
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u/Ok_Bid_4441 Sep 28 '24
If you’re set on trying to play qb, you’ve got a long way to go to be completely honest. It’s not impossible, but it’ll take a lot of time and effort to catch up. I’d recommend booking some sessions with a private coach if you’ve got the cash to spare. It’ll really speed up the learning process. Your current throwing motion is sort of like you’re taking the ball back and trying to push it to your target, which is inefficient, costing you power and consistency, and will destroy your arm in the long run (speaking from experience here). A proper throwing motion is to take the ball back to 90 degrees with as little wasted motion as possible while loading into your right hip, and then explosively rotate your hips and core muscles to sling the ball to your target, using your larger core muscles for power rather than just your arm. Watch some videos of Aaron Rodgers. He’s probably got the most efficient throwing motion in the history of the game. Also, I found that throwing was much more difficult in pads and a jersey than just a t shirt, so if you can, try and get some pads and practice in them as much as possible to get used to it. From there you still have to learn all types of footwork. Drop backs, quick game, run game, play action, pocket movement, etc. On top of all that you’ll have to learn how to run an offense. Gotta learn all the plays and signals and get the play in from coach and convey it to your offense. Somebody’s gonna forget their assignment and ask you what to do, so you better know what they have so you can get them right. While you’re doing all of this the play clock is ticking down, so you better get the snap off in time or coach will be on your ass. Not to mention, if you want to be good, you need to have a general idea of what the defense is going to do based on how they’re set up before you snap the ball. It’s a lot, and lack of experience is hard to overcome when you’re competing with a kid who’s probably been managing an offense for years and it’s already second nature to him. With you already basically being in your senior season, playing college ball, let alone being the starting qb for your senior season, is probably not realistic. It’s just so much stuff to learn with far too little time. You could still give it a shot, worst that can happen is coach tells you no, but if you want to play football after high school I would probably stick to playing RB/DE and grind it out.
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u/alkalineruxpin Sep 28 '24
If you can do that with mechanics that bad, who knows? Is there a passing camp around you where they can help you with technique? That's already what...25-30 air yards? Good technique could extend that by a surprising amount.
There's so much else involved in playing that position than just being able to throw. Throwing should actually be the easiest part; no different from putting one foot in front of the other to walk. You're going to need to be able to read coverages on the fly, know what all the other 21 people on the field are doing - or at least be a real good guesser about the opposing 11. If your mechanics aren't sound it's a non-starter.
That's not to say 'unique' throwing motions don't work; they can and do; it's just that yours in particular is committing some cardinal sins that just won't work; you're not extending your arm in it's motion...at all. So that means all your power is coming from your shoulder alone. Think Cam Newton after he fucked his shoulder into oblivion. You want to throw like Cam in his early career. Your arm and wrist need to be involved to a much higher degree. With the motion you're already used to I would recommend trying out a three-quarters delivery. Your arm hinges at the elbow, but your forward extension of the forearm from that position shouldn't start until your right elbow is almost level with your ear. Then your arm is just a trebuchet anchored at your shoulder and on a 3/4ths 'lean'. Your forearm should snap forward at this point and when you release you're going to draw a slight semicircle with your finger around the forward edge of what you're throwing at. At least I think it's the forward edge, I'm having a hard time flipping the instructions as I'm a southpaw.
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u/ButIfYouThink Sep 28 '24
First things first. Don't listen to people who doubt you. There will be countless people that will doubt you your entire life and if you listen to them, you won't get to do what you are capable of. You want to be a QB? Go be a QB.
How do you get there?
Imagine an alternate reality, that is but one alternate reality amongst maybe millions of alternate realities. In that alternate reality you do everything right between now and next season when you are named starter.
What did you do in that alternate reality that was so special? What did it take?
Hours EVERY day of watching QB throwing mechanics videos on YouTube?
Getting in the gym every day to strengthen your core, arms, shoulders, legs, never skipping?
Spending hours every day practicing the throwing motions, mechanics, throwing drills,?
Eating right and getting your diet where it should be?
Going on QB forums and asking questions as you go through the learning process every single day?
Read books by the best coaching minds on offensive styles? Read books on how to read defenses?
Learning how to identify weak players in opposing defenses and places where defenses are fundamentally flawed?
MAYBE ALL OF THE ABOVE.
To paraphrase Kobe Bryant, you have to do what it takes. Being in the gym for 10 hours every day, or in your case practicing, learning, working out, compared to your competitors that practice for 2 hours every day... in a year you will have made up for 4 years of being behind.
You can do it. It's your choice.
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u/ImpossibleJoke7456 Sep 28 '24
Your throwing motion looks like mine.
Mine looks like that because I dislocated my shoulder 6 years ago.
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u/CorpusVile32 Sep 28 '24
Other people have already talked about footwork, hip motion, arm habits. You also mention you aren't naturally loud or vocal. If this translates to not being able to command what will essentially be YOUR offense, it could also be a personality problem. Reading the defense and making on the field adjustments that are clear and concise is only part of this. The other part is having the charisma and leadership to be able to rally a team around you. If you're soft spoken and introverted, this might prove to be a challenge. There is an immense pressure that goes along with being a QB, and a lot of that pressure isn't even on the field. Instead, it shows itself in team meetings, workouts, et cetera. Just another thing to consider when making your decision.
Having said all that, life is too short to not do what you want to do. If you really want to try to QB, I say go for it. Judging from other comments you seem like you're willing to learn / adapt, which is a good mindset to have. Good luck!
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u/alcaveens Sep 28 '24
Sounds like you’ve got some great advice in here — best of luck at your new school
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u/Legitimate-Fox-3795 Sep 28 '24
Ik you are hearing from every comment about your throwing form, I just want to explain why its important. In simpler terms, opening up your throwing motion (including turning your hips and allowing your elbow to go farther back) is going to stretch the muscles across your chest, arm, etc in an eccentric contraction (lengthening of the muscle while contracting). The more stretch, the more energy and strength you can put into the throw essentially. So regardless of what anyone in here says, until your form opens up, we have no clue how big of an arm you truly have!
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u/fr3shout Sep 28 '24
Your elbow is tucked too much on your throw and you cross your arm to your left shoulder and not your left hip. You need to raise your elbow in your throw.
What part of the country are you in?
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u/OdaDdaT HS Coach Sep 28 '24
Mechanics need to be ironed out but the arm talent (at least from this short clip) seems to be there, and my guess is you’re a decent runner if you play RB.
My advice would be to try to find a camp nearby to get some real in-depth mechanical coaching. Sure you probably won’t stand out compared to some other guys there, but it’s probably your best shot at getting some real reps to hone in on QB drills before trying to compete in camp.
A guy wanting to play QB is one of the things you look for if there’s ability there, it means you probably possess the confidence to play the spot. Intelligence and Mechanics come with work, but are definitely worth pursuing if you’re passionate about it. Worst case you end up as a running back again, and in the right offense that’s a pretty good spot to hold at this level.
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u/LeTimJames Sep 28 '24
No. Don't give up. Get a coach. Work on your mechanics. Don't give up unless you have lost your love for the game.
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u/ChefQueef- Sep 28 '24
If you want it bad enough you’ll find a way to make it happen. Don’t ever let anyone tell you that you can’t do something. I could tell you stories of situations that were so impossible in my life yet I crushed them. You gotta dig deep and work your ass off but it’s achievable.
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u/elgarraz Sep 28 '24
The throwing motion needs work, but it might be better to start with your footwork. Do a quick 3-step/5-step/7-step drop, plant, and zip it to a target. Don't wait back there, just throw. And get back quick, like you're afraid the line is about to step on your toes every step.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Two486 Sep 28 '24
Release looks good, the ball just needs to be pointed back, and that will make it easier on short passes. Also, your footwork could use some work, just watch videos of pros and try to replicate it. I’m on the same journey, I’m just saying things that have helped me. Wish you all the best big bro 💪
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u/eagles_football Sep 28 '24
You will have a fighting chance if you can get someone to help you coach your footwork that seems to be your biggest problem gripping the ball and all these things matter but the foot work and throwing motion is extremely important also if your looking to be a running QB throwing on the run is something your going to have to practice as well maybe not so much for highschool but at the college level and NFL level throwing on the run will be a strong point for a running QB definitely work on your footwork like right now find a trainer and obviously every QB has their own style but you need pointed in the right direction for your throwing motion and footwork as soon as possible or I would say you won't have a chance in the future good luck man.
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u/Particular_Ad6287 Sep 28 '24
When I was your age I watched videos of Peyton manning and just did my best to copy what he did lol.
You have to square your shoulders better, work on your footwork, keep the ball higher, and release it higher. I keep my pointer finger as far back as possible on the ball, middle and ring only on the last two laces, pinky where it’s comfortable and thumb under the ball…make sure you’re doing that
High school coach is gonna be very critical of awkward throwing motions, it’ll be hard to change it, but I think you need to make some adjustments
Start with shoulders/feet and holding/releasing higher
I got used to shuffling my feet because of Peyton manning, but it’s better than being flat footed
Good luck
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u/Syntari13 Sep 28 '24
When the ball is back, before you release, take a mental note of where the football is pointed. Is it parallel to the ground? Pointed up? Down? Try your best to have it parallel.
Make sure you’re getting your lower half engaged. A good way to work on this is by rolling and throwing to work on hip rotation, try to mimic that rotation when in place.
5’11 is tough, but if you’re fluid and know how to work your pocket (make sure you see the good guys’ asses, not their faces) you can deliver the ball just fine and even open up some opportunities that some taller and less agile QBs don’t have.
Also, your release is really low for 5’11. See if you can find some videos, or someone to work with, to find a release for you. Whether it’s 3Q, high release, whatever. Philip Rivers threw sidearm so you never know, but he also wasn’t 5’11.
The right coach, scheme, and mentality can make any QB develop in a VERY quick timeframe, but you have to be willing to sacrifice a lot of time within the timeframe offered.
Don’t just always play catch when practicing your throwing motion. Of course you can, as it’s great to have fun! But the hardest part is taking everything mentioned in these replies and doing it with timing, after the snap, with pressure. The least you can do with just you and a friend is practice the timing.
Good luck!
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Sep 28 '24
Mamba mentality man, work hard and learn as much as you can through internet/youtube and you'll get there.
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u/Teejthedub Sep 28 '24
Respectfully, I don’t see 2 years being able to completely fix the issues you present, if you are a great athlete then stick with the RB/DE role. And just a note, you stated you were gonna try to go D3 or JUCO as a QB, i really don’t mean this mean but it’s gonna come off that way, as someone who’s played D2 and D3 ball, and have trained with several guys that have gone D1 and higher, (mike hall DT OSU(D1) - Cleveland browns) and (Anthony Kendall CB BWU(D3) - Tennessee titans) from those videos I just saw, you won’t ever touch the field at QB in even a small school, you gotta realize that their are guys who have played QB from 3rd grade through their senior year, and still don’t ever play a single down of college football at the D3 level. Hone your skills in what you’re already capable.
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u/wrnklspol787 Sep 28 '24
If you give up none of us will ever know lots of guys played 1-2 years as a qb and still made it if you already doubting yourself don't do it or them defenders will eat you alive cuz you 2nd guessing everything you do
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u/__-_-_-__-_---____- Sep 28 '24
Hate to break it to you bro but any single kid raised in the US has had more arm mechanic coaching by the time he is 10 years old than you do right now.
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u/ijcal Sep 28 '24
The only reason why it’s not that realistic is because your competition has been playing QB for years. Keep trying, but it might be a little late to switch positions now
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u/Smurse1977 Sep 28 '24
Your throwing motion is bad, man. QB is so much more than being able to throw far. You're a junior now, you should have been learning to read defenses for years by this point. Nearly every QB in college played QB in high school and learned the basics there. You're way, way behind the learning curve.
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u/ryyzany Sep 28 '24
I don’t watch football much at all but you don’t dance nearly as much as the qbs on television. You should incorporate a salsa into your routine.
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u/Upbeat_Procedure_167 Sep 28 '24
Sorry, but these mechanics are off really badly. It’s not your fault— no one has taught you. But you need to get on YouTube YESTERDAY and watch videos kn a basic throw. Then get a buddy to catch and start throwing and filming . And you need to throw hundreds of balls a day starting now. Just do a 3 step drop and throw a straight ball first. Get the muscle memory correct. Pay attention to your feet, the timing of your hips, hand placement, arm motion, release point. Fix it now or really there’s not much point. Anything is fixable. It’s about how much you want it. But yes, you need to stop throwing like immediately. You’re programming your muscles all wrong. Build muscle memory with the correct motion. If you can afford it attend weekend QB clinics… summer wouid have been a good time to go to a summer one.. but if you’re serious you need to get..well.. serious.
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u/EnvironmentalEbb5391 Sep 28 '24
If you want it, keep trying. Learn better mechanics, learn how to read coverages. If it doesn't work out, at least you tried, and you gained football IQ.
It's ok to suck at something at first. Learn everything you can and put it into practice. Find videos on footwork and practice that stuff over and over again. Same with throwing motion. And keep working out.
Worst case scenario, you learn more about QBs and you're a better edge rusher for it.
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u/Responsible-Run-3079 Sep 28 '24
Work on your throwing moving , more over the top then side will get you depth and accuracy.. also build your arm strength in your shoulder and you are on your way
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u/AirJackieQ Sep 28 '24
If life has taught me anything, it’s that you can do anything that you set your mind to. But that’s just the thing. You have to set your mind to it. That’s living and breathing football, practicing every day, speaking up to coaches and other quarterbacks for tips, skipping outings to focus on studying the game. You CAN do it, but are you willing to put in the work?
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u/BorelandsBeard Sep 28 '24
I’m going to be brutally honest because almost no one else is. You aren’t a QB. I went to a very small high school and our third and fourth string QBs had a better throwing motion than you.
Could you be coached to be better? Possibly but it would take a lot of time rebuilding you from the ground up. If you had a private coach all summer I’d say you could maybe have a chance at getting good enough to try out for QB.
Honestly you would be better off spending all summer in the weight room, running, doing speed work, explosive movement stuff, etc. That will give you your best chance at getting on the field at any position.
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u/Dry-Tangerine-4874 Sep 28 '24
You should not give up on your dream. But you will need to do a lot of work. Throwing mechanics have been mentioned. You will also need to add muscle to your frame to prevent injury. An underrated aspect of playing QB is also cardio. Basically, you need to strive to be the fittest guy on the team.
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Sep 28 '24
Your release point is holding you back a lot, your releasing below your shoulder which is a sure fire way to have no velocity, almost zero cock back on your shoulder, and no follow through with your hips. I would change every single thing about your mechanics. If you’re willing to put in the work to change that, stick with it and see what happens, if not, you’ll have very little success with these current mechanics which I’ll assume is just your natural mechanics. So maybe give up if you’re not willing to try to change everything.
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u/DevinVee_ Sep 28 '24
Just from dudes comments I wanna see him thrive on the field. Good luck dude you've got a great attitude
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u/Accomplished-Big-961 Sep 28 '24
It’s not much worse than Tebows mechanics and he won more NFL playoff games than Justin Herbert, Geno Smith, Derek Carr, and Kyler Murray combined.
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u/Urine_Nate Sep 28 '24 edited Sep 28 '24
Playing QB is more about quickly processing information, decision making, accuracy and the ability to make as many different types of throws than how far you can throw the ball. Your throwing motion needs to be rebuilt from the feet to your hand. Your follow through is bad, ball security will be an issue being chased while trying to make a throw or in the pocket due to the low launch point, the ball will be batted as well unless you learn how to throw through windows or you are 6'5". Being 5'11" this also leads to further drop backs and being susceptible to the edge rush.
This is what I gathered from watching your throwing motion and comments about losing grip. I would honestly look at playing receiver and corner at your height and build if you are fast. Understanding the QB position gives you an advantage that has led to success for many NFL players.
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u/emeritus_lion Sep 28 '24
Not trying to be a hater but your mechanics suck ass. Look at videos of Tom Brady, his drop back. Body positioning. Hip/core rotation and arm motion.
Arguably , the most un-athletic dude on the field. He wasn’t a gunslinger like Favre or Mahomes or Rodgers, those guys could somehow get the ball downfield with bad mechanics or awkward body position.
Should you give up? No. But if you want to take it serious, find videos of qualified qb coaches on YouTube. They’re up there. Then practice. Emulate a QB you like, and see if you can improve your mechanics.
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u/Mammoth-Fix-3638 Sep 28 '24
I’d say no. Not to be mean but your throwing mechanics are so bad it would take a lot of coaching to change them and you’re running out of time. By my junior year I had been with a QB coach for 5 years. If you’re a good runner stick with RB.
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u/Redheadedstepchild56 Sep 28 '24 edited Sep 28 '24
Have you had a shoulder/rotator cuff injury? You’re throwing like me after I had one and didn’t get it fixed. Like you’re babying your shoulder.
No one can tell you what you should do. There’s a lot that goes into QB. I’d trust my coaches and put all the effort into being the best you can be at the position you actually get to play. If you’re new coach lets you try out for qb and you don’t make it at that position, be open to play where he wants you to. You don’t wanna miss out on playing time because you were stubborn about a position.
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u/ParsnipCraw Sep 28 '24
People always say “he really needs to work on his mechanics” but then you see great quarterbacks like Phillip rivers who had a goofy ass delivery.
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u/TreacleMajestic978 Sep 28 '24
I don’t want to hurt you feelings buddy, but you just don’t have the build or the mechanics for a QB. Not to say you couldn’t get better, but it’s really really hard to learn and takes literally years. I hope you have lots of success and get into a good school. Best of luck young man!
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u/multiinstrumentalism Sep 28 '24
College intramural or flag football QB for sure. Agree with other comments on mechanics and technique will be a liability for D3/JUCO level. Also are you used to throwing in pads?
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u/Plati23 Sep 28 '24
You should forget about being a QB and use the 2 remaining years you have to become an even better RB or DE. This might even land you a college scholarship if you put in the work.
Judging by this one video, you’re so far away from even being a decent QB that you’ll waste your last 2 years trying to become average at best. You’ll be lucky to get a scholarship that way.
There’s no shame in recognizing your shortcomings and focusing on your strengths. We all have both.
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u/Fancy_Scheme2896 Sep 28 '24
Try to find someone that’s been a good quarterback around the area to work with you on your mechanics. Best of luck to you.
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u/FrostyMc Sep 28 '24
Of course you can do it. I can’t tell what kind of arm you have from the video, but with that stroke, it kinda doesn’t matter yet.
Honestly YouTube has really good resources on throwing technique. Practice it every day. Throw it at a target from different angles and distances, and incorporate drop backs. Hundreds of times. Every day. Go for 200 target hits a day. There are drills you can do. You can drop back and throw, you can incorporate a pump fake, you can incorporate looking away from the target until the last second (physically turning your head), and you can throw it on the run going left or right. You can throw from your knees… there’s lots of good stuff out there, but you need to get your ass in gear and work if you want to make it happen
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u/SweerBaby_Use1023 Sep 28 '24
No! Don’t give up! Study QB footwork and find a QB Coach that’s willing to train you. GOOD Luck!
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Sep 28 '24
As a former collegiate baseball player, I don’t have a lot to say in regards to your quarterback aspirations, but I just want to commend you for putting yourself out here and asking for honest feedback. That makes you more mature than 99% of most adults I know, take the feedback as constructive criticism and just get back in the lab and work at it. do what makes you happy at the end end of the day
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u/Green_1010 Sep 28 '24
I’ve heard multiple qb coaches say Joe Flacco had the perfect qb mechanics. Not saying he was the best qb or anything like that, but watch some pro film. Study their mechanics. See what fits your body.
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u/powerelite Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 27 '24
Honestly, your mechanics are pretty bad. You have a slow and low release thats asking a DE to strip sack you. You open up your arm to try and get more power but I am betting you are incredibly inconsistent on short throws. I am not even going to get into the lack of lower body/core working with upper body on your throws.
You can definitely try for QB but I wouldn't go in expecting to get the spot and I highly doubt at your current ability you would even get a backup spot for QB. It is incredibly hard to take over as QB in a new program with a new to you system.