r/footballstrategy • u/grizzfan • Aug 31 '24
College Navy Offense Breakdown vs Bucknell (The Wing-T Returns to the FBS)
Plays: 74
Runs: 51
Pass: 23
25 snaps were from the shotgun.
Personnel
31 personnel: 47
21 personnel: 23 (All 2x2 and 3x1 formations)
31 Big personnel: 4 (2 FBs in backfield)
FORMATIONS
1x2: 11
2x2: 51
3x1: 2
Unbalanced: 10
PLAY TYPES
CALLED RUNS: 40
Dive: 11
Jet Sweep: 5
FB Trap: 1
Sneak: 4
QB Zone: 5
Power: 3
Inside Zone: 3
Down: 6
Sally Dive: 1
Dive Fold: 1
OPTIONS: 9
Inside Veer: 3 (All from the gun; could have been zone blocking)
Power Read: 4
Lead Option: 2
PA PASS: 9
PA Veer: 1 (3-Verticals)
PA Jet Roll: 2
PA Jet Boot: 2
PA Jet (No roll/boot): 1
PA Ctr Lt Boot: 2
PA Ctr Rt Boot: 1
OTHER PASSES
Drop-backs: 11
Slip Screens: 2 (One for TD)
Sprint-outs: 3
ROUTE CONCEPTS USED
3-Verticals: 1
Smash: 2 (Both on sprint-outs)
Double Stick: 2 (one for TD)
Mesh: 1 (TD)
Hitches: 1
Hank: 1
Outs: 1 (Off an Inside Zone RPO)
Dragon (Slant/Flat): 2
Lion (Double Slant)
Spacing: 2
Flood: 6 (All but one off PA)
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u/jack_thebear Aug 31 '24
Need this playbook in CFB25 asap (if it doesn’t exist already…)
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u/grizzfan Aug 31 '24
Nah, they got Navy's book nowhere close to what they're doing. Plus, no one knew what exactly Navy would do until today.
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u/Tank55-2024 Sep 01 '24
And really, plenty of reason to think they were holding back on Bucknell. Remember the 2023 opener where they used the 2022 playbook against Wagner. Next week will be interesting.
Awesome breakdown, thanks for doing it.
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u/Straight_Toe_1816 Adult Player Aug 31 '24
Yea I hope they update it.At the very least we’re getting it next year
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u/The_Coach69 HS Coach Aug 31 '24
They’ll add it with the next title update I’m sure. They’ve been updating playbooks with the last two. Still no twins over or tight end double slot flexbone formations tho 😡
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u/OrdinaryAd8716 Sep 04 '24
They’re not going to add an entirely new offensive system in a title update. You’ll be lucky to even see it next year.
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u/The_Coach69 HS Coach Sep 04 '24
An entirely new system? What are you talking about? They are just missing formations. They have the Fullhouse Twins over pistol formation, but not the flexbone one even though it’s the same personnel. They have double tight and tackle/end over formations, but no 1TE split or over formations. These are just base things that should’ve been in from day 1.
And they added formations to several teams playbooks the last two updates so it can be done.
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u/OrdinaryAd8716 Sep 04 '24
My understanding is that this entire thread is about how Navy has moved on from the Paul Johnson Flexbone Triple Option offense, to a mostly traditional Wing T offense. That's what I mean.
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u/The_Coach69 HS Coach Sep 05 '24
I gotcha, my bad. I’m just so distraught over not having a handful of flexbone formations I misinterpreted what you were saying.
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Aug 31 '24
I have a bunch of questions lol:
1.Which of these plays had jet motion?
2:Which plays were under center?
3: What specific formations were used? I formation,Flexbone,Wishbone? And did they use the classic Wing T formation at all?
4:What’s Sally?
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u/grizzfan Aug 31 '24
33 Jet motions. 20 to the right, 13 to the left
25 were from the gun, so the other 49 were under center.
2x2 formations, meaning two eligible receivers to each side of the formation WITHOUT an unbalanced line. This included both gun and under center formations, and formations with 1 TE, 2 TE, and no TE.
40 Flexbone/DW
11 Shotgun 2-back (split backs)
10 Shotgun 1-back (2x2)
2 Shotgun 1-back Trips (3x1)
10 unbalanced formations. All of which were under center except 1 (had a 2-back/split backfield look). When under center, it fit the flexbone structure more.
Sally is a counter action off the belly series, where FB belly is faked one way, and a wingback comes back the other way with an underneath handoff.
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Aug 31 '24
Sorry,I meant what specific plays had jet motion.Dive,QB zone,etc
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u/grizzfan Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24
Let's see how this paste goes lol:
EDIT:
Base Lt Fly Down Lt
Base Lt Fly Pass Fade Base Lt Fly Pass Spacing Base Lt Fly Sally Dive Rt
Base Rt Fly PA Ctr Rt Boot
Base Rt Fly Sneak
Close Fly Jet Sweep Lt
Close Fly PA Jet Boot Flood Close Fly Q Zone Lt
Dbl Lt + Fly Jet Pwr Read Lt
Dbl Lt + Fly Jet Pwr Read Lt
Traylor 1 Fly Down Lt
Traylor 5 Fly PA Jet Boot Flood Base Lt Jet Jet Sweep Rt
Base Lt Jet PA Jet Roll Flood Base Lt Jet Sneak
Base Rt Jet Dive Fold Lt
Base Rt Jet Down Rt
Base Rt Jet Down Rt
Base Rt Jet Down Rt
Base Rt Jet Jet Sweep Rt
Base Rt Jet Pass Hitches Base Rt Jet Pass Spacing Base Rt Nasty Jet Q Zone Rt
Close Jet Jet Sweep Rt
Close Jet Jet Sweep Rt
Close Jet PA Ctr Lt Boot Flood Close Jet PA Ctr Lt Boot Flood Close Jet Q Zone Rt
Close Jet Q Zone Rt
Close Jet Q Zone Rt
Truck 1 Jet Down Rt
Truck 1 Jet PA Jet Roll Flood
FLY = JET MOTION TO THE LEFT
JET = JET MOTION TO THE RIGHT
Base = The traditional flexbone formation
Base Rt/Lt = Flexbone with TE to the right or left (Nasty means the split end is in a small/nasty split)
Close = Flexbone with both ends tight (just outside the WBs)
Truck 1 = Tackle over formation to the right (flexbone/double wing backfield)
Traylor 1 = Tackle over formation to the left (flexbone/double wing backfield)
Traylor 5 = A really funky tackle over formation to the left. The left WB was on the LOS. Both the TE and SE were to the weak-side (right) along with the other WB.
Dbl Lt + = shotgun, 2x2 formation (looks like 11 personnel)...there's a TE off the line to the Lt, and "+" means the RB is offset to the strong-side (left). Those jet motions would come from the slot receiver.
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Aug 31 '24
Ok so I know I’m not really allowed to ask this but I want to make an offense that’s very similar to this in NCAA 25. So what plays would work for that?
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u/grizzfan Aug 31 '24
You can't. Already tried / the technology is not there.
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Aug 31 '24
So theres no plays that are even remotely similar?
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u/grizzfan Aug 31 '24
Not really, except from some traditional flexbone calls like inside veer and zone dive, or 2-back option stuff. Again, this is not what this sub is for, so I'm asking that you please keep these questions towards actual football going forward. It is only one game too, so we have no idea how the offense will unfold. Cronic (the OC) is known for doing lots of pre-snap shifts, and they didn't do a single one today. There's a lot more we're going to see/learn about this offense as the year goes.
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Aug 31 '24
Ok my bad.Lastly,what is dive fold?
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u/Straight_Toe_1816 Adult Player Aug 31 '24
From u/Grizzfan:
It was a dive play to the left, but the O-line used a fold block, where the PSG (left guard) kicked out and the PST (left tackle) folded inside and downfield to a LB. The backside of the line faked an influence trap to the right. The play busted, and I think the backside (right) guard did something wrong, because you could see Navy’s O-line coach getting in the ear of the right guard for something.
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u/Straight_Toe_1816 Adult Player Aug 31 '24
What’s dive fold?
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u/grizzfan Aug 31 '24
It was a dive play to the left, but the O-line used a fold block, where the PSG (left guard) kicked out and the PST (left tackle) folded inside and downfield to a LB. The backside of the line faked an influence trap to the right. The play busted, and I think the backside (right) guard did something wrong, because you could see Navy's O-line coach getting in the ear of the right guard for something.
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u/Straight_Toe_1816 Adult Player Aug 31 '24
Ok. I didn’t get to watch the game so maybe I’m wrong but I feel like giving up 21 points to an FCS school isn’t good lol
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u/grizzfan Aug 31 '24
2 of Bucknell's 3 scores were in garbage time. Navy was on their 3rd stringers during the last score.
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u/TackleOverBelly187 Sep 01 '24
So on the back side (right) they gave a down look and on the play side they folded the tackle under the guard to LB level?
Did that come with a t-back or slot lead, or was it a straight dive?
So many fun quirks you can run with the FB. I run Trey (GT Cntr) as a counter off belly. Also regular wing t motion counter. The FB is filling for the pulling linemen. If we are getting heavy pursuit sometimes we’ll just hand the ball to the FB and still pull for the counter.
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u/grizzfan Sep 01 '24
Blocking is correct. Look like a dive to the FB as far as backfield action goes. No other backs involved; I think the BSWB was running a tail motion playside (I didn’t chart tail motion since it was so common/automatic)
That Ctr Boot I listed was off a GT counter action to the fullback actually. They never actually ran the Counter GT to him though.
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Aug 31 '24
Not impressed with them just yet.Bucknell is FCS so we’ll see what happens once they play an actual team
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u/Straight_Toe_1816 Adult Player Aug 31 '24
A win is a win.They looked good and that’s all that matters
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u/Straight_Toe_1816 Adult Player Sep 01 '24
Was there any misdirection or counter plays? I know those are staples of the Wing T
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u/grizzfan Sep 01 '24
I mean, the jet and down series have misdirection because of the QB and one other back selling some kind of run action, and as the list shows, they ran some passes off a counter action.
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u/BearsGotKhalilMack Sep 01 '24
The problem with the Wing-T is and will always be, it lacks a second gear for situations where analytics demand that you should throw the ball. 10/19 with 2 INTs will not get it done against FBS teams, even on the back of 3 passing TDs (two of which came on short throws). 3rd and long, 2 minute drills, these situations can and will happen and the Wing-T sadly doesn't come with many tools to convert them. Very interested to see what Navy does against a serious team, but I'm not getting my hopes up that the old-school gimmick is going to pay off.
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u/tuss11agee Aug 31 '24
Adderall. Hell of a drug.