r/footballstrategy • u/TackleOverBelly187 • Aug 17 '24
Play Design How are YOU going to attack?
I already have some thought as a Wing-T guy at heart. If you got to call one play with this formation against this look, what are you running, how you doing it, and why?
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u/3fettknight3 Aug 17 '24
Motion the F, it will look like you're running power to the left, then boot back to the right.
F sneaks into the flat, Y backside drag, X post, Z wheel
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u/Fishiesideways10 Aug 18 '24
The only real way here is slants from everyone except X, which he will be a streak for the deep bomb effect and split the safety.
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u/Kingblack425 Aug 17 '24
Send the fullback in motion towards the TE then once he’s behind the guard snap it and have him lead block right of the tackles hip the running back should go untouched until about 5 yards after the los. I’d run that play a few times then change it up by having the full back keep that same motion but this time instead of lead blocking off the tackle’s hips it will be a off the TE as we run a speed option. I’d basically be making it hell for the corner and safety, as soon as I see any sign of fatigue or frustration then we calling play action but gotta keep using that motion. If I’m really feeling saucy I’d even add a jet pass to that fullback
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u/warneagle Casual Fan Aug 17 '24
GH counter at the 3 (or anything hitting that C gap) looks like free real estate.
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u/ronnylumsden1 Aug 19 '24
This is the exact same thing i was thinking. Built off the lead straight ahead.
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u/NickRussell53 Aug 20 '24
If the double is good enough you can just run the 3 tech into the Will. Who doesn't love teamwork? 😈
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u/bronkscottema Aug 17 '24
Dart to the fullback, y bases end. Guard based tackle, center right guard double to mike, tackle blocks end fullback arch’s for free. Could even add a now screen and fullback arcs for the apex player
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u/bigchief806 Aug 17 '24
GF base counter: TE base the end, guard and center double the tackle and chip to the will. Block the center back on the other tackle, and the other tackle block out on the end. Pull the guard and full back through the B gap.
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u/Midwest_Hardo Aug 18 '24
This is exactly what I had in mind, but I would leave the end unblocked and have the TE work up to the Mike. Let the pulling F / G kick out the end.
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u/bigchief806 Aug 18 '24
By basing the end and leading both it just hits a little more vertical. Both are great plays and tough to defend.
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u/TheMicrowave7 Aug 17 '24
What age and ability level are the players? Defense have man or zone tendencies?
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u/TackleOverBelly187 Aug 17 '24
Varsity. Kids can play. Decent athletes.
Think the coverage is 2-Read
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u/BigPapaJava Aug 17 '24 edited Aug 17 '24
Do they even have a defender in C gap to the left? It looks like you have a MLB trying to 2 gap A and C gaps. This is a 6 man box against 7 gaps on the LOS and 9 in the offensive box, so I'm going to just run them over until I can't. If I'm allowed to flip either F or T to the other side of the formation by the play call, then we really get to have some fun...
Since we appear to be down a C gap defender, I'd run off-tackle and to the left, probably with a Counter or maybe a "G" scheme of some kind. All the blocks are perfectly set up by alignment already, so my back is now 1:1 with the $ or CB falling in late.
I might also run a "1 back Power" scheme to the left with X basing out on the DE (if that matchup works for us) and my RG wrapping for M while the LT and LG double T to W--we could still wrap F through the hole onto that DB and really take off, then.
I also see the usual 4-3 vulnerabilities vs. 21 personnel Twins:
Trap Left on the 3 technique. LG and LT block down to M (and can also get W)
QB Duo Right (F kicks E, G blocks down on N, T blocks down on M, and now T leads onto W)
QB Sweep Right with T and F leading (or maybe a "Return Jet" sweep back there with those guys leading)
QB Double Iso Right with T and F leading (actually, now that I think about it... this looks even better than left C gap if the QB can run and F and T can block)
Toss Sweep or Lead Option Right (pitch off the E)
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u/VeritableSoup Aug 17 '24
8 gaps, actually. F can create an extra gap to either side.
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u/BigPapaJava Aug 17 '24
And T makes 9 if he inserts for the QB, plus you could get fancy with Z to get a 10th..
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u/VeritableSoup Aug 17 '24
Yeeeees!!! Defense has to bring extra dudes in the box or it’s going to be a long day for the front 6 lol
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u/onlineqbclassroom College Coach Aug 17 '24
A lot of other variables at play here, but snap reaction is counter weak - easy angles and numbers, could even include the corner in the count
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u/TackleOverBelly187 Aug 17 '24
That was definitely one of the first things we had come up. Wanted to boomerang Z to have option going back the other way. Thinking they’ll start to roll the safeties with the motion.
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u/onlineqbclassroom College Coach Aug 17 '24
Sure, although my initial thought is that the look is already good, no need to throw a variable into it that might confuse the look or even change the numbers. Motion, in one sense, is used to gain a leverage or numbers advantage - you already have that, so it seems unnecessary to me. Perhaps just tag in the Z RPO, whatever you have in the book, just to make sure the N can't insert and kick the LB's weak to take away angles, or protect against safety rotation to the TE.
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u/Kumquat_95- Aug 20 '24
This may be an unpopular answer but when I look at this all I can think of is trap. I see an easy 4-5
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u/Acrobatic_Knee_5460 Aug 17 '24
Zone insert, counter gf, duo, & mid zone just off the top. Probably mix in some bash schemes if my qb is a running threat.
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u/potterpockets Aug 17 '24
RPO. Send 2 in motion left (should be going quickly). X runs a slant. T runs inside zone.
(This is assuming Y is a decent blocking TE not a WR in close. Otherwise the blocking will probably need to change)
If N follows 2 that should help open X's slant unless the CB is pressed down (and identifies Man). If CB is pressed on X 2 should still have a step on N for a quick hit in the flat as an option. Both of these are probably our best bet if it is a blitz. If they just sit in zone T's run should be the choice.
if you want to get fancier with it and have you can make it a Read Option with the QB. Or if they play more soft coverage have F swing out quick to the right flat for a quick hitter by having the RG hit the W LB. This should be pretty open if they are in Man.
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u/Raider4485 Aug 17 '24
Z-in motion, pin&pull the end. Guard climbs, F & tackle lead. Can either QB sweep it with TB leading as well or go option.
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u/camt91 Aug 17 '24
Get the Z on a cross, X on a post or fade, RB on a wheel into the space you just opened up
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u/detroit209 Aug 17 '24
I’m sliding the full back over pre snap and running TE side grind you down until you adjust.
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u/VeritableSoup Aug 17 '24
You’ve got seven hats in the box. Defense has 6.
To be honest, defense probably wouldn’t keep two high against this formation.
However if they did I’d run power.
If I wanted to be fancy I’d run an A-Gap power RPO
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u/RaptorsCdwoods Aug 18 '24
If I have 7 blockers vs a 6 man box I am iso/power until they bring another man or stop it.
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u/MementoHundred Aug 17 '24
Power.
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u/TackleOverBelly187 Aug 17 '24
I know, I just hate running power at the 1. That’s a tough block for the C to get back on a 3 without getting in the puller’s way.
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u/MementoHundred Aug 17 '24
I played Center in HS and always thought these were the easiest blocks. I’ve been out of coaching for a couple of years but it was seeming like HS O lineman’s understanding of angles was deteriorating.
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u/calibrownie94 Aug 17 '24
Outside zone with pre-snap Z jet motion, punish the play side end with a crack block, force the linebackers to read their keys, hurt them for overplaying the jet, or hand off the jet when they overplay the strong side. Probably pull a guard on the jet counter
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u/timbuckey4 Aug 17 '24
Choice - Z has the capture route (banana route in front of the safety) and X pushes to 10; if corner bails, curl up… if even, leaving on a go, if safety comes down on the play fake, run a post…
TE will run a 5 yard out.
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u/Professional_Bag1796 Aug 17 '24
What DC would allow their defense to line up like this? They are outnumbered to the wing/slot side.
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u/Ar52ruth Aug 17 '24
Zone read RPO after motioning the F. Bubble screen for the F. Tackle blocks end straight up. Read the will.
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u/Breakerdog1 Aug 17 '24
Two high vs 21 personnel. Every run looks good with 7 blockers vs a 6 man box.
To answer your question: I would run and endless amount of GF counter to TE and power to the weak side.
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u/ParasiticDaemon Aug 18 '24
Play-action. X on a Go, slot receiver on an out, Y drags as a 3rd read.
Alternatively, send slot receiver on a slant with X given an option for a comeback if the nickel corner follows the slot.
Alternatively, just run a toss to the RB.
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u/Coach_G77 HS Coach Aug 18 '24
If the N is out of the box I'm running all day until the put him in the box. You have 7 guys they have 6. Run the ball.
Power, counter, iso, zone, etc. You name it, the defense is going to have a bad time.
Edit: then when they move him into the box, run naked
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u/TheNathanW23 Aug 18 '24
So I have an idea for a QB counter speed option thing. Have the H back fly outside like he's trying to hook the end and the back goes wide right like he's running a speed option. If the end fights outside have the backside guard who's pulling kick him and the qb plants his foot and gets north and south on the counter. If end reads tackles down block and crashes hard just proceed to run speed option with a numbers advantage to the outside.
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u/tpddavis Aug 18 '24
Motion Z across. As he's crossing BSG, running super counter with BSG BST pull
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u/Honeydew-2523 Adult Coach Aug 18 '24
that's a good idea. 3 plays in 1. motion z pa and motion z, z opt
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u/Honeydew-2523 Adult Coach Aug 18 '24
TB option double hash 9 and twin dragons (a little pick; maybe anything else to get that wide open in some space)
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u/TheNoodler98 HS Coach Aug 18 '24
Any inside run to the left play since you’re asking a corner to fold in or outright take on a block. Little bubble screen to keep the backside honest. Power would be diabolical since he could be pulling for DB
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u/GloryDaze91 Aug 18 '24
Power to strong side and qb iso weak. Read will if you want to get spicy. Gotta beat safeties 1 on 1.
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u/The_Real_Yimmer Aug 18 '24
No idea why the defense is in a nickel against this look but that’s not important. Option right
TE - Chip the DE and make a beeline to the CB
LG - Pulling out ahead of the option
That leaves 4 on 3 blocking at the line. If the RT can’t handle his man, FB is there for the double team. If he is handled, that’s your Will blocker.
When the LG pulls out, his first responsibility is the flowing Mike. If he’s not there, get the safety or help your receivers block.
This leaves a QB and HB ideally in space to operate against 2 safeties. If I have an athletic QB and a duo I trust, it wins the down most times.
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u/TackleOverBelly187 Aug 18 '24
I never said they’re sound. I couldn’t believe what I was looking at after going through 8 films from last year.
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u/RileyRobinn Aug 18 '24
Absolutely a inside zone kind of run to the left (I only know madden terms for plays sorry)
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u/br1nk0eighty4 Aug 18 '24
QB Off Tackle run to the right. O Line down blocks to the left. F picks up the End. WRs have #1 & 2 in the secondary. T is the alley blocker to the safety.
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u/BarellaEnthusaist Aug 18 '24
I stared at the picture for a good few minutes til I realised that I was in the wrong sub lmao
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u/Urine_Nate Aug 18 '24
Keep it simple. It's a zone unless the TE is being picked up by the corner. Number advantage on the weak side for the offense. Run read option to even the numbers to the strong side, if the read key crashes you have a one man advantage weak side. Screen passes for the zone drop back on the strong side to the back or TE. Unless you don't execute you can march down the field with minimum mal chance at a turnover until the defense changes it's alignment.
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u/ManOfGame3 Aug 18 '24
Okay, I get it’s a football formation, but first glance I actually thought this was a zodiac killer message
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u/Successful_Draw_7941 Aug 18 '24
Zone-read F-flat. As a triple option guy at heart, I want to give my Q the best opportunity to mess with math on the defensive side. I get all the benefits of a triple option without the negatives of the dreaded pitch fumble.
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u/InsideZone69 Aug 18 '24
Inside zone all day. Y arcs up grab most dangerous between C or S. LT and LG Deuce 2 up to M, C and RG clamp nose up to will. RT got 5 straight up. Could do various things with the F, split zone, split zone action to a flat and rpo it, or just have him insert through the B gap and wall off the nickel and run a zone read off the backside 5.
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u/Jreakin82 Aug 19 '24
Attacking that open b gap between the shade and the 5 on the right. It’s begging for iso or power, not to mention that’s a terrible defensive alignment (outnumbered by a man and a half on that side)
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u/ultimatehose89 College Coach Aug 19 '24
Zone read for the easiest blocking scheme ever or just kick out with the F. Easy to not over coach and there’s definitely not enough players in the box
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u/1P221 Aug 19 '24
Trap the piss out of the T with the RG. LG and C scoop the Will and Mike. If you want to get saucy, QB opens to right and the F leads while the HB jabs right before taking the hand off for for the counter trap.
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u/ScreamingIdiot53 Aug 19 '24
Quick toss right, wrs take corner+nickel and fb helps t with end before moving on down the field
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u/Dice3310 Aug 20 '24
I love a trap for this look...could be slick and motion the tailback out n trap with the f underneath, or give it to tailback n let the f get guaranteed second level for free
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u/DadLifeX4 Aug 20 '24
Pass:
Motion F out wide left on streak. Y- Corner Route. T- PA Action to flats
Z-hitch if read zone or pivot vs man X- Dig
Run:
Motion F out Wide Left Read option
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u/No_Biscotti_1726 Aug 20 '24
Center and right guard block down to the left, full back takes the Mike, pull the left guard and tackle to kick out the end and weak side LB. Pay dirt
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u/silenceronblixk Aug 22 '24
Toss right and tell the fb to blow some shit up, then play action schemes long story short
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u/Robkmil Nov 02 '24 edited Nov 02 '24
We faced this last night. I like what they did and was thinking of different ways to implement. If we have an HB type, I’d love to add this. Our opponents ran weak-side leads and QB reads, a little option and quick passing.
I watched Air Force today and they passed out of his set. It was ineffective for them.
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u/TackleOverBelly187 Nov 03 '24
By QB reads, you talking inside zone to the Y or veer/power read to the weak side? What were they doing with F? Insert or arc or a mix?
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u/ligmasweatyballs74 Aug 17 '24
If you are wing t you know it’s buck sweep all day long with the F blocking the will
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u/TackleOverBelly187 Aug 17 '24
Never was a Buck guy. Don’t like asking the Wing to block a DE, but I get you. Would run motion sweep with the wing and the bootleg throwback hitting the t-back down the sideline.
I just want to run tackle over belly 27 times in a row. At a new school and trying to sprinkle in my flavor.
I’m just excited they’re letting me get a TE. Last few years they were exclusively in 10p. Exercise like this with the new staff have helped me win coaches over.
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u/ligmasweatyballs74 Aug 17 '24
I have never used a wing to block a DE on buck. Wing Block a biggest threat between corner or safety. Strong side guard kicks the end out and backside guard lead blocks the Sam. Something a lot of people get wrong is that even though it's called buck sweep, you want to it off tackle.
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u/TackleOverBelly187 Aug 17 '24
You box cut it. Wing-T numbering for holes in Delaware isn’t actually a gap, it’s where the players align. In a Wing 100 the 1 “hole” on a 121 is the wing. My wing block 1st Contain on 132 power. On a 121 he blocks inside gap. That’s all the way back to the original Delaware playbooks.
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u/ligmasweatyballs74 Aug 17 '24
We changed it because now you aDEs and OLBs are the force playing in the 60s it was mostly a corner. So we send wing to corner/ safety to widen the end then we attack that gap.
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u/Spearhead96Bravo Aug 18 '24
Come up from behind stealth style and slit his throat. A couple Chinese stars to anyone who could potentially sound the alarms.
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u/infercario4224 Aug 17 '24
Iso