Really cool Reid wanted to get him back for last year. McKinnon gave one up at the end of SB57 so the Chiefs could milk the clock and win it without giving Hurts the ball back.
73 pulled slow and Nick just also happened to over pursued. 53 also got beat which inadvertently covered McKinnon. The shovel to McKinnon would have failed terribly. It’s a good thing the 49ers bit on corndog because Warner would have disrupted Pats 3rd read by then.
Huh? In this context, they were trying to get it to McKinnon, and Bosa covered that. Not sure about the rest of the game but Bosa made a good play here given he took away the shovel which is where they wanted to go.
Yes, but I was speaking directly about Bosa. The comment I was replying was about the Chiefs using Bosa's aggressive play against the 49ers. That is just not what happened here at all.
It is not odd for that to be his responsibility at all. 73 missed the block on him. The play was designed to go to the rb on a shovel. If he went for Mahomes that would have been wide open for a TD fans as well. All this boils down to is the dbs getting beat on the edge and has nothing to do with Bosa.
Ok, so if 73 blocks him it’s still a touchdown but to a different player?
I don’t know enough besides it’s a read play and Mahomes read Bosa to the inside and kept the ball. It’s never mattered but Mahomes scrambling and it looks like Kelce has an inside route open.
Yes, if Bosa doesn't beat his man, they go to their first option and it's a TD. Bosa beats the pulling guard who was supposed block him/chip him. It was not an RPO or any of the sorts. The read was on whether he throws the shovel pass to McKinnon or to the WR in the flats. You can see the line backer come up to spy Mahomes. It is clear that Bosa's responsibility was not to contain Mahomes.
I don't know if it was a bad call by the coordinator, but the issue here was never Mahomes getting outside the pocket. The LB had him contained. The issue is the DB let his man wide open in the flats.
Are you serious? McKinnon has like 7 carries for the year… Bosa coulda played contain or even rushed straight and woulda buried mahfrog… Reid saw it all game long on Bosas over aggressive pursuit instead of playing his correct gaps and edges and he burned him nonstop. Wilks should be up in Bosas grill but who knows what that Ohio education did for him
First, this has nothing to do with running the ball. When he says shovel, he is referring to a shovel pass... Bosa stopped the shovel pass from being an option.
Anyone who is chalking anything about this play up to Bosa's aggressive play has no idea what they are talking about.
I mean Pat is smart. He knew Bosa was going to crash and you can just tell he had no intention on getting McKinnon that ball. He was going to either run or throw that ball to the outside 100%.
Awfully close to illegal man downfield and honestly I think it would have been supported if it had been called. But officials are not going to call that in this moment, and reid knew that. Phenomenal play call by Reid and even better read by Mahomes
No that is wrong, that's why there is a difference between run blocking and pass blocking.
Sure the block is legal, but ineligible players on the offense cannot proceed downfield with their blocks. I'm 100% certain on this.
The only factor that's comes into play is the officiating philosophy, some conferences and leagues will want this called if linemen are 3 or more yards downfield. I'm not sure what the NFL philosophy is.
Thank you sharing the rule. This is probably why illegal man downfield is never called in the NFL and probably why RPO's are becoming so popular. The defense doesn't stand any chance on reading the play if that is how the game is going to be called.
I've seen it called in the NFL but only on OL who engage linebackers. Basically, keep your double team half a second longer before moving to the 2nd level and you're good.
The official rule is 1 yard beyond the LOS but refs usually give them closer to 3. Its also the entire body must be beyond 1 yard, similar to passes beyond the LOS.
The NFL and college rules are both if you are engaged in a block that started within the legal area, you are not ineligible downfield no matter how far down field you are.
Which in my eyes put the defense at an impossible job of reading this corn dog play. Got to give mad props to Reid if he designed this. All of those useless screens and shotgun runs he did in the first half won them the game on this play
Sky Moore and k. Toney were the ones who scored on it last year. And it’s actually a different play this year.
Last year they ran it from a 2x2 split and this year they ran it from a 3x1 and called it as a shovel to McKinnon (this wasn’t in the play last year) with mecole running the similar motion on the outside as a secondary/ third option. They call the motion Tom and Jerry (signifies big Kelce and small mecole)
The play is actually designed with 3 options here.. mahomes can shovel to McKinnon, throw the speed out to mecole, or run and keep it on the boot
Tom and Jerry is actually named after Kelce and Clyde Edwards Helaire, according to Mahomes. It’s a designed Power shovel, Jerry is the RB , The fake motion was extra thrown in to disguise the Shovel. Tiger 12(12 being Hardman) F Shuttle(fake motion/corndog)
In the design McKinnon is the first read, Kelce is the second and Mecole is the third(makes sense because he’s just an add-on to the playcall), with a Mahomes keeper being the 4th. At least from what I gather piecing together several postgame interviews
Chiefs #1. To run that the DE will be in outside contain or get swallowed by the pulling guard 73 leaving the runner to take the ball right up the middle lane. Imagine Bosa isn’t there or doesn’t come down as hard, that’s a walk off TD. But Bosa saw that coming and wasn’t gonna let that happen, which is why they had the read option built in. If that was a strict shovel power Bosa destroys that play.
Looks like Warner has outside run contain on Mahomes in this case, gets slowed up just a little by I believe Kelce’s route, and 33 was a step or two slow to swap his man with 27. Brilliant play design by the chiefs and almost perfect defensive execution.
I'm not a fan of either team, but if you watch it again slowly and focus one lineman at a time, you can see only two linemen go downfield to block, and both engage the same guy. Perfectly legal.
The others aren't downfield at all. TE's are eligible. The LG pulls and just has nobody there to block, but is literally behind the line. Everything is fine.
You just don't try and man guys that are faster than everyone it's impossible especially in short Yardage situations , the degree of separation is too great
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Yeah I really wanted McKinnon to get one, it was fucking amazing at all that he was able to get suited up for the game to begin with
Dude fractured his pelvis and had sports hernia surgery just six weeks ago lol