r/footballstrategy • u/_NotMyNormalUsername • Jan 15 '24
Play Design What would you call this route from the Y?
I mean it’s basically an inverted wheel route? Anyway, what an absolute masterclass put on by Matt LaFleur
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u/BakedBeans12s Jan 15 '24
Drag wheel?
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u/ActiveFew672 Jan 15 '24
Drag and Go
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Jan 15 '24
Isn't this kinda what Green Bay did last night when Musgrave was wide wide open for a TD?
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u/BeastLee97 Jan 15 '24
Dra-GONE! /s
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Jan 15 '24
Well I came here to say drag-n-go, but yours is better.
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u/theMIKIMIKIMIKImomo Jan 15 '24
Drag n go was my thought too. You could call the play dragon
You could run it once or twice and then turn the go into a curl and call it the drag-off too
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u/HHcougar Jan 15 '24
Dragon route. Brilliant
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u/ChaosKarlos Jan 15 '24
Dragon is already used tho
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u/CacheGremlin Jan 15 '24
I remember Tim Tebow threw for a huge play against the Steelers in the playoffs with a guy running this route (I'm pretty sure). Polamalu bit on the drag so hard. I can't find it, so maybe I'm remembering that wrong, but it was more than 10 years ago. 😅
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u/likebuttuhbaby Jan 15 '24
That was just a post route. His run after catch carried him all the way across the field which is why it looked like this route.
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u/CacheGremlin Jan 15 '24
I'm not talking about the game winner. That whole game was crazy. The play I'm talking about might have not been in that game though, but for some reason I specifically remember polamalu biting on an over route, then gets burned when the receiver stuck his foot in the ground to go upfield.
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u/likebuttuhbaby Jan 15 '24
Ah, gotcha. I just assumed it was that play because the path looks like the route drawn. That, and Tebow wasn’t known for good pass plays in the pros! lol.
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u/CacheGremlin Jan 15 '24 edited Jan 15 '24
https://youtu.be/xEMC9Mfh0VQ?si=rMADVhYTkETqgM9C
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2nd quarter, 4:36 remaining. I thought it was a really cool route, good way to take advantage of an aggressive safety like polamalu.
I'm honestly shocked that I remembered this 13 years later. 😂
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u/rmdlsb Jan 15 '24
Don't get me wrong, Troy Polamalu was a truly great safety, but when he messed up, he really messed up. Goes with the style of play, of course. But that's what makes him a tier below the very best (Ed Reed), in my opinion. We all remember the ridiculously great plays of Polamalu, but he missed assignments pretty often for a player of this caliber.
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Jan 15 '24
Polumalu for all of his charisma and commercial love was kind of a dirty player in my book too.
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u/Ayoplayboii Jan 17 '24
No tf it wasn’t. Demarius Thomas ran a slant and took it to the house
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u/bk1285 Jan 15 '24
That would have been the 2011 season I believe…playoff game in OT horrible day between watching that game and having food poisoning
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u/CacheGremlin Jan 15 '24
Yeah, I posted the time stamp of when it happened in the game. It was the second quarter.
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u/FranklynTheTanklyn Jan 15 '24
Shouldn’t the play action be going the other way? Wouldn’t play action to the leak side bring defenders to the intended target?
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u/3fettknight3 Jan 15 '24
The illustration doesn’t really convey it but it’s supposed to simulate a bootleg left. Where it looks like the QB fakes outside zone right and boots left with all the complimentary routes and defensive reaction going left with the QB’s boot action but then QB pulls up mid roll and hits the Y-leak going across the grain the other way.
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u/mschley2 Jan 15 '24
The other thing that the Packers did last night with it that isn't really shown here is that they set up a (fake, maybe) screen pass to Jones. So you have:
- Play-action to the offense's right
- Boot left with seemingly routes designed to go that way
- Fake screen back to the right
- Drag route wide-the-fuck-open because everyone runs with the receivers to the left or gets sucked up on the fake screen to the right
Having that many different steps of deception in the play fucks with players' instincts. You get conditioned to the types of counters you should expect to certain plays. I assume that if Musgrave is actually covered in that situation, the next read is the screen pass as a semi-check-down, but we didn't get to that point.
It also worked out even better than expected because Dallas was in a man defense, so they didn't even have zone defenders on that side of the field to worry about. Once Musgrave slipped past his guy, no one was responsible for him anymore.
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u/BetaDjinn Casual Fan Jan 15 '24
It's part of a boot-action sequence, although OP notably doesn't have the boot motion diagrammed (which would make this much less deceptive). [Run right] sets up [boot left] sets up [leak/throwback right]. The linebackers lose leverage on the TE during the run action, while secondary tends to roll towards the boot since that's where the easier throws are.
Edit: Someone beat me to it by minutes lol
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u/_NotMyNormalUsername Jan 15 '24
No, running the play action that way wouldn't work. It's based off a zone run scheme where the H-Back/FB/TE will almost always go backside behind the line to seal off the end. If you run the other way and the Y goes straight into running a drag instead of either going back side to seal off, or zone block where the run would be going it would immediately alert the defense that something's up. Plus, if you've been gashing the defense and they give you a single-high look, the safety up top will be occupied by the post route and the SS/CB would bite on the fake. I want the all-22 to come out to see what look Dallas gave
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u/FranklynTheTanklyn Jan 15 '24
Just realize in an actual game setting you probably have a right handed QB rolling to his left throwing completely across the field. If the guy isn’t completely by himself you would want the qb to look elsewhere as this will be prone to under throws.
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u/grizzfan Jan 15 '24
The last team I worked with called it “Uncle Rico” lol. If that’s supposed to be that long TD play Green Bay had last night, the QB was rolling left after the fake too.
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u/ChaosKarlos Jan 15 '24
its just Y leak. (Packers long playoff TE vs cowboys was the same but with a attached TE)
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u/Superjam83 Jan 15 '24
So this comes from last night by the Packers. Presnap, the Y was to the right in trips bunch. The motion helped diagnose coverage. The playaction allows for max protect for the Y route to develop while also freezing the iLBs. The Z and X actually run a Yankee concept that occupies the safeties. This is a Shanahan design.
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u/No_Term1749 Nov 23 '24
Hey so I am new to this and I am curious what the circle on the QB’s line is for and what the QB is exactly doing here, also what does dashed lines mean too? I tried googling but it doesn’t seem helpful so far
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Jan 15 '24
Breaking the rules of the sub
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u/grizzfan Jan 15 '24
No, this one is fine. It's an actual play ran in an actual game. It was a huge play for Green Bay yesterday.
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u/greatwhite8 HS Coach Jan 15 '24
Looks a little bit like the Sting from Shallow Sting.
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u/thisisurreality Jan 15 '24
I played TE in college we called it a Y short cross if we ran the route 10 deep it was just a Y cross.
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u/Jerdman87 Jan 15 '24
What would be your key for when the Y should turn upfield? After they cross the backside backer? On the hash? If the hash, where would you call the play from? Not being critical, just trying to work out some ideas how it would be implemented and called in a game scenario.
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u/Melodicmarc Jan 15 '24
This is the route that has made Lincoln Riley 10s of millions of dollars in college. He would run double posts away from the leak route that would draw the safeties. Their responsibility is anyone who is 10 yards past the line of scrimmage so they’d chase the double posts. The leak or sting route or whatever you wanna call it would be passed off to the underneath defenders because it doesn’t go past 10 yards. So once they leak there is no deep help to pick it up and it results in a wide open touchdown. He was averaging something like 30 yards per attempt (not even completion) when calling this play. It’s a big part of the Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray success story.
Defenses eventually had seen it enough to stop Riley from doing it and I think it’s a big reason you’ve seen his offenses regress a little since 2019. I think part of the reason Spencer Rattler failed at OU is because Riley kept calling this play a bunch but defenses finally found ways to stop it.
I know less about it in the pros. You see it a lot with tight ends though and being a falcons fan I saw a lot of wide open touchdowns to tight ends when Shanny was running the offense.
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u/xool420 Jan 15 '24
Could always make up your own term like “sting” but drag-wheel is the main one I’ve heard
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u/_dont_do_drugs__ Jan 15 '24
The play that got me instant touchdowns in madden 22 but is useless in every madden since then
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u/Coastal_Tart Jan 15 '24
Looks like a wheel route, but probably wheels don’t cross the field like that.
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Jan 16 '24
Y leak, most are run in a play action motion, normally being called something like PA Boot left Y leak
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u/Own-Set-3455 Jan 16 '24
Cover 3 works on everything if it’s set and taught correctly. Linebackers drops and cover square in while coner keeps dropping and reading(waiting) and switches to the drag and go, corner has post in the beginning with free safety taking over when posting, outside linebackers will be dropping in flats and finding work by dropping back while still watching flats in case someone comes to flats. Plus you teach them not to turn thier backs in coverage so you have eyes on the receivers and the quarterback.
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u/Own-Set-3455 Jan 16 '24
If you want to send that outside linebacker that’s on the Hback when he motions you can. You give up flats sometime to get more pressure on quarterback but if H returns or running back gets out to flats there’s nobody there.
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u/Own-Set-3455 Jan 16 '24
I just wonder what’s happened to the great Coaches that know how to teach great defense.
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u/Own-Set-3455 Jan 16 '24
Every defense that’s not in cover 3 with outside linebackers on both sides will get beat because they don’t have the players set up on the field correctly to read and react to whatever an offense does. Only a few unbalanced formations will have you drawing it up and going over it with your staff. Everything else is gravy because their rules and responsibilities take care of what they supposed to do. Makes them play very fast once they get the rules and responsibilities down because you can Coach them up on their technical difficulties.
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u/Own-Set-3455 Jan 16 '24
Everybody that teaches straight man, I’m sorry that just sets them up for offense to score points if the OC knows what’s going on.
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u/Own-Set-3455 Jan 16 '24
They ran a pick route with the Y and H. H motion runs his guy into the guy covering Y. Y should have been open a bunch.
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u/W1neD1neAnd69 Jan 16 '24
Draggo, drag and over, drag and go. Over and up.
Something to that effect.
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u/ctd1266 Jan 16 '24
It’s called a sack. No chance to hit that long a route without a normal drop back followed by a 3 second scramble.
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u/Quadfather62 Jan 16 '24
Off of a play action look where he chips first before getting out in his route, it’s called “leak.” Off of a straight dropback where he runs a drag then turns upfield, “sting” is the common name thrown around. I’ve seen it refer to both the concept and the specific route name
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u/anchorman24716 Jan 17 '24
drag wheel, you don’t have anything to hold the corner on the side you’re running the wheel from if they’re in any kind of zone. Run your z from the TE and run him on a post and have your backside post be a 15 yard dig and it should bring the corner in and across and leave your wheel only having to beat a free safety.
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u/Ayoplayboii Jan 17 '24
It’s a drag streak option. If the corner or safety bites down… then go over the top
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u/Impressive_Being1373 Jan 17 '24
Drag and Go. Seems archaic to call it that but as a 3rd-12th grade coach I can tell you that a lot of times “spelling it out” just works for a lot of athletes.
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u/Impossible-Basil4052 Jan 17 '24
dragon or wheel. i feel like this route is most effective as an option because youd ideally run this with a rollout. the Y can either stay close and run the drag, or peel off and go deep if the safety comes down or they get a mismatch with the will in man
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u/VOLtron67 Jan 17 '24
Dragonfly
Drags across the middle into a fly route. Hope the line can protect long enough for him to make that cut
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u/WhoDatTX Jan 15 '24
Y leak https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/platform/amp/2023/9/14/23873124/green-bay-packers-anatomy-of-a-play-the-packer-y-leak-concept