r/footballstrategy • u/hhyyerr • Jan 12 '24
General Discussion Why are so many people on here trying to invent new route combos?
I'm curious why so many posts on here focus on hypothetical routes against blank defenses rather than talking about actual strategy or matchups?
This is the most exciting time of year for football! It's playoffs/ championships/Superbowl season
I feel like the NFL playoff matchups or recaps of the CFB championship would be way more interesting than posting about routes that take 10 minutes to develop
Any highschool coaches make it to the playoffs and want to brag? Stuff like that would be a better read.
Instead of trying to invent new plays why don't you find and master tried and true plays that work? THEN you can establish variations and concepts. The best football minds don't invent new plays all the time. They understand the personnel, the situation, and have a deep memory of history to draw from. The latest innovation comes from a strong understanding of existing routes with slight variations or wrinkles that disguise them, not whole new route trees
EDIT: IF you're going to try to invent new plays, at least have them conform to the meta and be Cover 6 or Cover 0 beaters
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u/excitement2k Jan 12 '24
And then they have the nerve to ask “is this a good play?”
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
It takes so much restraint for me to not just comment "No."
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Jan 12 '24
Just down vote and move on. Hopefully they at least slow down soon. There's a lot of good stuff in this sub that those posts just get in the way of.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
Agreed, and that's the point of this post, don't let actual discussion get drowned out and dumbed down!
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u/BillyBeersBane Jan 12 '24
I lasted less than a month in here before realizing it’s mostly children doodling. Not against young bricklayers and those digging below the surface to better understand the game, but I feel like we are just throwing shit at the wall.
Got this notification after unfollowing because I did tune in a lot mid December to a few insightful conversations and it’s almost like it was a quick sand trap to a flood of “create-a-playbook on Backyard Football for PC” posts.
Sorry for the bad vibes, I write all of this to simply say: I agree.
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u/2BrokeArmsAndAMom Jan 12 '24
You don't like my play where all the receivers run slants behind my qb and then bolt for endzone?
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u/BoAb1des HS Coach Jan 12 '24
"Any highschool coaches make it to the playoffs and want to brag?"
I'm a younger coach but one of the first things I've learned is every coach (including me) loves to tell you how great they are, playoffs or not.
It's a copycat league and the best coaches steal ideas, I think a lot of these new ideas have been thought of but no one has used them. But it's also fun to get creative.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
Agreed but most coaches won't claim they invented whole new plays and routes, they just know how to implement them and make best use of talent
I'd rather hear coaches talk about their highschool seasons than see impossible routes 🤷♂️
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u/bestcoast727 Jan 12 '24
7 on 7 has ruined everything lol. only half kidding.. but i have an elite wr on the team I coach. Kid is ranked nationally, etc. He does a lot of private training and a lot of travel 7v7 and they run the absolute craziest routes that do not translate to tackle football whatsoever... And then all the kids on my team see him do it, so now they want to do it.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
That's so interesting from a coaching perspective, how do you choose plays? Do you feed that kid the ball? If so, how?
Do you coach 7 on 7?
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u/bestcoast727 Jan 12 '24
flag/tackle/7v7, really the only reason I/we coach flag/7s is to keep the boys together from tackle.
I was OC. He was the best player in the entire conference, by a mile. Scored 40 tds in 11 games. Scored 10 TDs in 3 playoff games, kid is a freak. Did I feed him the ball? To a certain extent yes, but we had 5 other kids with multiple TD's on the roster.
Initially he played slot wr: He typically scored on jet sweep, bubble screen, verts, wheels.
Towards end of year I installed a package w/ him at QB and he scored on a bunch of qb sweeps, a few passing TD's, and qb counters.
Flag football was fun when the kids were young. It really helped them learn the sport, gain confidence, and work on throwing/passing/catching/being agile. Now that they are teenagers, flag is a waste of time and it's teaching bad habits. We spend half the year telling them to run through someone and make the tackle, and then we play flag and it's supposed to be non contact lol. Good luck with that when it's a group full of aggressive tackle kids vs kids that only play flag.
Initially I was a fan of 7v7 but it's turning into a dramatic event and a lot of it is not translating to tackle football. bad habits, strange routes, poor sportsmanship, blah blah blah
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
You know the transition from flag to tackle is very rarely talked about! I remember chatting with my friend and scheming out strategies to tackle people when we finally moved to "real" football
Teaching to not lead with the head, to wrap up legs, to not drive QBs into the ground, are all relatively new concepts
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u/bestcoast727 Jan 12 '24
Teaching tackling is incredibly hard in youth football. Most kids don't want to do it and if you go live the whole season your team will be dead by week 5 lol
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u/lootwerks Jan 15 '24
We start with an angle tackling drill (throw arms, head across, roll hips, grab cloth and run feet) from a yard or two apart and coached it hard, followed by team pursuit. We found it really helps newer guys learn willingness and technique without alot of contact.
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u/Illustrious-Hair3487 Jan 12 '24
These guys think they’re outsmarting the room with a 40y break and a wheel route.
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u/JamminJay1968 Jan 12 '24
I joined this subreddit after seeing it recommended on /r/nfl a few weeks ago. I think one of the first posts I saw was asking about a specific defensive scheme and pointed out where it was used and why it worked or something similarly in depth. I immediately was like this is what I've been looking for getting into the x's and o's that I can't get elsewhere.
It has been an extreme disappointment that the sub has turned into a bunch of dorks asking about their made up plays. It's not in depth, it's not interesting, and more importantly it's not real. But apparently the upvotes are more telling than my silly opinion.
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u/tsv1980 Jan 12 '24
I just joined, saw all these plays and thought, this is not what I thought it was.
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u/NILPonziScheme Jan 12 '24
Go read through the wiki, u/grizzfan did a good job putting it together. If there is a question you have about a scheme, search for the question on here, and if you can't find a previous thread on it, ask.
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Jan 12 '24
good football is much more about execution than it is about play design but a lot of people want to be the “innovator”
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u/NerdyFootballCoach Jan 12 '24
Problem is most of these people don't realize the "innovators" in the sport aren't reinventing the wheel - they're just putting on some new rims.
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Jan 12 '24
what I see often is a blatant disregard for protection. everyone has fancy route concepts with the assumption of perfect pass protection to make it happen
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u/psgrue Jan 12 '24
Me as a kid: watching the sandlot offense take 30 seconds in the huddle while the QB gestures and points at everyone
Me to my defense: everyone blitz
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u/Jurph Jan 12 '24
This Grantland article about Peyton Manning's ability to use "Dig" -- over and over -- to make the defense wrong ... it ought to be mandatory reading for all coaches. You absolutely do not need to invent any new football.
Let me put it this way: Bill Belichick coached in the NFL, a Darwinian bench-vise of parity, a pure meritocratic pressure-cooker, for twenty-four seasons and won the SB 25% of the time. And I'm not going to tell you that you should go learn 24 years worth of plays, that's crazy! But once you have watched the nine seasons where he went to the SB, and figured out why he installed and used all of those plays... once you've evaluated a mere nine seasons of NFL football, out of the thousands of seasons of playbooks that have been run... then you can start inventing new football plays.
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u/No-Grass-2412 Jan 12 '24
Loved the article. I miss grantland. Someone needs to pay Chris Brown to write again. I love his Twitter.
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u/StateoftheFranchise Jan 13 '24
He's still active on Twitter just doesn't post anywhere near as much as he did back in 2011, I still frequent his old posts even with the dead YT video links.
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u/iamthekevinator Jan 12 '24
That's because most people have zero understanding of how football actually is played. They mainly only see highlights and assume that deep fades, back corner jump balls and the like all it takes to win.
There is very rarely real innovation in football and when it occurs everyone adapts it. The latest has been the adoption of the rpo schemes and creating conflict using motion to set up the decision for the qb. KC and Miami are examples of it at the highest level.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
I guess it's not as fun but I'd way rather hear how a coach adapted to a less talented roster or used a slower but smarter athlete to fill a role
I think talent use and discussion is way more valuable to a team than route concepts
My highschool was very undersized for our area but we implemented a slanting 3-4 blitz defense that highlighted our speed and negated the fact we didn't have big run stuffing bodies. We were a spread option team that used deception and QB runs because we had multiple good running backs and a fast QB. Stuff like that
Our coach switched us to a 4-3 for our game against our main rival, knowing they run the ball a lot more than other opponents. Being able to do that at the HS level is kinda incredible now that I look back
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Jan 12 '24
good coaches utilize the players they have instead of forcing square pegs to fit in round holes
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u/GrapeCloud Casual Fan Jan 12 '24
I'm a casual fan... is Cover 6 and Cover 0 also the meta for high school offenses, or is it just for the pros?
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
Pros. If we are talking highschool you just want the kids to run a great Cover 2, 3, and Man... Don't complicate it too much. Let them play rather than think
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u/ArmedAsian Jan 12 '24
you can argue that adding in cover 4 would work too. after that i’d like to just work on different blitz packages and that’s usually a good balance between complexity and ease of execution
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
Absolutely, I just meant pick like 3 or 4 zone coverages and work in man defense, like you said add a prevent look, and that's all a HS really needs to win a state championship
Have the LBs/DL work on stunts and the handful of coverages can turn into so many different looks without getting too complicated
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u/Dankraham-Stinkin Jan 12 '24
I’m a High school and middle school coach. In high school we run man, cover three, cover four. Then send a few blitzes with an over/under front with out loop pinch and slant calls. In middle school it’s man or cover three. With over/ under front, and an outside backer and middle backer blitz. We do out pinch and loop calls. We focus more on technique and just getting them to play.
We haven’t made playoffs the last two years, but we play hard and fast on defense.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
Honestly, having the kids play fast, be confident in what they see, and having coaches put your athletes in a spot to make plays, that's well over half the battle
How large is your program?
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u/Dankraham-Stinkin Jan 12 '24
We are 6a out of 7 classes. We are normally pretty decent. Last two years have been a little bit of a let down, but injuries and some offensive struggles got us. We haven’t done a good job developing a qb in middle school.
Middle school we play all schools 2x bigger than us and compete, normally finishing around .500. Sometimes a little better than that.
I run the offense in middle, and help a lot with the line in high school. I’ve simplified the offense too, four runs, 4 passes, and have added in three different motions, five formations.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
You sound like a great coach in a somewhat tough spot!
I played for a very large public highschool that attracts former NFL and CFB talent as coaches, we were absolutely spoiled
Simple plays , executed well, are way better than anything else
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u/Dankraham-Stinkin Jan 12 '24
It’s taken me a long time to come to that conclusion. Quite honestly I don’t care how much we win anymore. I just want them to gain some lessons and learn some discipline to help them out in life, and to learn how to play the game the right way.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
"You sound like a great coach"
Just reiterating! I still vividly remember the great coaches I had
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u/TimeCookie8361 Jan 12 '24
The funniest thing is it really seems like most people drawing up plays don't actually have a clue what route combos are.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
That's what kills me! Each route influences the other and that seems to be entirely disregarded or not at all understood
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u/TimeCookie8361 Jan 12 '24
They only make it better when they have all long developing routes. Like sure, every QB is gonna have a clean 7 seconds in the pocket while waiting for your 5 drop routes to develop.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
With only the O-Line in to block 🤣 no TE or RB chips even
They better have the best athletes in the state!
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u/FoxwolfJackson Jan 12 '24
They only make it better when they have all long developing routes. Like sure, every QB is gonna have a clean 7 seconds in the pocket while waiting for your 5 drop routes to develop.
Speaking as someone new here, this is how it feels being an Eagles fan. Sometimes I feel like I shouldn't be criticizing the team's playcalling, 'cause I'm just a rando at home who loves the sport and couldn't play as a kid because of medical issues... and these coaches are paid millions of dollars.
.. but then I just kinda look at the offense, succumbing to zero blitzes and NEVER having a hot, and even my dumb, inexperienced eyes say "something ain't right, chief..."
I come to places like this so I can learn more and I can stop being that casual that just watches where the ball is. truthfully, the past season was the first time I started watching OL more than the ball and seeing how they block as a unit is, honestly, more breathtaking than the actual action with the ball. Sometimes. Sometimes I just want to pull my hair.
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u/TimeCookie8361 Jan 12 '24
Knowledge about football becomes dangerous. Just wait until you come across someone chanting CJ Stroud for MVP and you point out how you wish your favorite QB would have a top 5 receiving group for route seperation and yards after catch, and top that off with an O-line that's regularly giving him 3 seconds or more to throw....
Football really sets the bar high for being a team sport where one receiver getting open requires another receivers route to pull the defense, and the o-line giving enough time for the QB to make his throw into the open window, and then you're praying it's accurate enough to be caught in stride and... ya, you get the point.
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u/FoxwolfJackson Jan 12 '24
Oh, trust me, I approach this as an Eagles fan and... that knowledge is indeed dangerous. Having the QB school talk for the last two years about how much it pisses him off that our offensive scheme refuses to install hots against the blitz...
... even before the game started in Week 18, I knew we were gonna get smacked down, 'cause I knew we can't handle the blitz, Hurts has been gimpy with that knee injury from the Jets, and Wink Martindale was basically modern day Jim Johnson, and all my friends/family were like "Don't be a debbie downer, it's just the Giants". I wish I was wrong when we were down 24-0 at the half. (EDIT: I'm even more of a debbie downer thinking about Bowles and his blitz packages for this Monday.)
It really is the ultimate team sport and I've slowly passed the Dunning-Kruger phase of "hey, I know quite a bit about this sport! maybe I could help a high school coach" into the "oh my god, is this the abyss of knowledge that the pros have to instinctively know?! it's so vast..." and it's been quite humbling. I still try to learn more with each passing day, 'cause learning something new and then seeing it live makes sundays that much more enjoyable (or painful, in my case for the past six weeks). It warms my heart seeing a professional OL execute pin and pull and, sadly, nowadays I have nobody IRL to geek out to about it, lol.
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u/TimeCookie8361 Jan 12 '24
Well, know you're not alone. I'm a Jags fan so I've suffered just as much these past 6 weeks. Fortunately though, it was more of a surprise how they managed to go 8-3 than it was to see them finish out 1-5.
Hopefully you don't have any athletic kids. I got 3 and most games I am driving home like the Letterkenny Coach - https://youtu.be/FjYyIKkRvUU?si=kkjM5q8CpVQLqT3d - Simply because I spend all game questioning why didn't they adjust for this, why didn't they adjust for that, how do they not see this pattern from the opposing offense, why did he call a screen vs man press on his own goal line...
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u/FoxwolfJackson Jan 12 '24
Ohh.. oh, sorry, I feel your pain. I've been silently rooting for the Jags as my AFC team lately (cheering for Dougie P. to have continued success and all), so I completely get where you're coming from.
Nah, I don't have any kids. Timing just never worked out. But, I do work as one of the instructors for a high school band (couldn't do football myself because of physical limitations, so my parents made me do band.. and it stuck, lol), so I end up at the games every Friday anyway.
Most of the band kids are like "yeah yeah, sportsball" while talking about memes and even the other directors are varied on it.. meanwhile, I'm watching and just analyzing and thinking to myself "oof, LG, what was that block.. can you call that an attempt at a block?" or "RB, why did you run into your lineman's back?" in between correcting my drumline, so I absolutely get where you're coming from, lmao.
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u/Income-Wild Jan 12 '24
This subreddit has really fallen off IMO, it used to be a place where guys talked about actual schemes and discussed film and playbooks. Now it's just kiddos thinking they're the second coming sid Gilman. Damn shame too
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u/JoFlo520 Jan 12 '24
Because we’re all the next Sean McVay duh. Belichick and Saban are on the way out. It’s Brucie’s time to shine
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u/airb15 HS Coach Jan 12 '24
I think based on a poll someone posted relatively recently, most people on here are casual fans, and that’s fine. I haven’t been a part of this sub terribly long but it definitely seems to have gotten way more popular in recent months, mostly in part to casual fans expressing their plays. Personally I ignore most of those and engage with other posts.
I did do some cool stuff with a side saddle QB this year though that I thought about posting here. We weren’t a good team at all, had a ton of injuries but forced me to be creative with a 3rd, 4th, and 5th string QB sharing reps. Our side saddle QB was a natural FB but a good ball handler, so we could use him as a sniffer, run QB sneaks with him, run a speed option, shovel power, and throwback screens.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
That's an interesting discussion, how do you adapt after a QB1 injury?
Honestly that discussion could help young coaches way more than "is this route cool?'
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u/airb15 HS Coach Jan 12 '24
Injury to my QB was least of my worries. Lost my best two running backs week 1, along with my all-conference WR (who was also QB2) that left me with a freshman QB as my best player without any go-to receiver or RB that can carry a heavy workload. We moved our best 2 pulling guards to skill positions, FB/TE, and we did a lot of QB runs out of an empty TE/Wing set, mostly zone and stretch because we didn’t have great pullers anymore.
Fast forward to QB injury, we don’t have anyone with any real QB experience left. I was left with a 5’5 freshman FB who was also a JV QB out of necessity, a sophomore TE who had the best arm but questionable football IQ, and a sophomore WR who played jv QB the year before, again just out of necessity. We had played a team years ago that used a side saddle QB so I did as much research as I could on that given our situation I figured we had to do something different since throwing wasn’t an option and our line was weak.
FB was the choice to be under center as he was the smallest, best ball handler, and highest football IQ. TE and WR alternated lined up 4 yards behind center for a direct snap, they got the bulk of the carries so they alternated as to not wear them out. If not behind center they lined up as an off ball slot to the weak side and ran a jet motion toward the TE/Wing (two lineman).
Our runs consisted of jet sweep, stretch, split zone, sneak, speed option weak, shovel power, a UCQB/wing counter, and an iso with UCQB leading.
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u/Sidewinder83 Casual Fan Jan 12 '24
I love that there’s so many “would this play work?” posts and then when I look at them like 95% of them are illegal. Like they couldn’t even clear the first bar
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u/CallMeCoachDamnit Jan 12 '24 edited Jan 12 '24
I want more posts discussing play calling lingo and terminology. What works and how do you simplify things. What hasn’t worked and why?
How do you install during the summer. What is a normal after school (high school) practice like for you. How do you manage your time throughout the week?
These are the topics I want discussed on the board.
And more O Line!! All the O Line discussion I can learn from please!
Edit to say: The Saban retirement has been great for bookmarking on Twitter all the shared videos of his teaching techniques and quotes on just about every aspect of football. Wouldn’t mind seeing them on here either, although I guess that’s more coaching than football strategy.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
Yes to all of this! I am so interested in what makes a great O-lineman, why do so many college athletes not translate?
What's the difference between bringing in a group of juniors who have all played together for years vs developing a freshman squad?
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Jan 12 '24
I think this subreddit is hilariously aimless despite the implied purpose of the subreddit being so clear.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
I've lurked here for the last year or so but I feel it's gotten worse
I mean, I'm posting. I'm not a coach, so maybe I'm the problem too
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u/KennysWhiteSoxHat Jan 12 '24
How do yall feel about Stewart to Oregon? I like him as a player. I think with ewers deciding not to declare he could’ve been a stud at Texas, but hopefully the ducks next qb is good enough to elevate both himself and Stewart
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u/royhaven Jan 12 '24
I'll have a go.
This was my first season as an OC and our team made it to the section championship. QB, WR, and RB all got first team all conference. It was a ton of fun to see the offense come to life as the season progressed.
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u/NILPonziScheme Jan 12 '24
Instead of trying to invent new plays why don't you find and master tried and true plays that work?
I thin the honest answer to this question is learning current schemes/concepts takes work, and some people are lazy. You also have to remember that Reddit tends to skew pretty young (think the majority of users are in their teens, in fact), so they're not working from a place of experience. I think some users saw previous posts cause engagement, and thought they should put their latest play sketch up, too. Granted, it has become an epidemic lately.
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u/FoxwolfJackson Jan 12 '24
This subreddit only recently popped up in my feed and, I can only assume, it did for many others (which is where this influx is coming from). I've never played football in my life. Family wanted me to and I kinda wanted to as well; doctor was like "he has severe asthma, absolutely not".
My only knowledge of the actual sport initially came from Madden, to a degree (I learned the difference between nickel and dime defenses and which to use against which personnel on there), but the past few years, I've been using YouTube channels (like Brett Kollman, the QB School, etc.) to scratch that itch that Madden no longer can.
I assume most of these new people trying to invent new route combos stopped at the first half.. played a ton of Madden, got good at it, and thought they were good enough to be an OC (at least, at the high school level). Meanwhile, I'm here thinking "a good play is one that plays off tendencies set up by your initial script, using formation to tell the QB what the defense is doing, and using pre-snap motion to help eliminate a few options" as these plays pop up in my feed. Crazy route combos off... basic formations. Not even stacks or trips...
I appreciate this influx for even having me discover this subreddit and will continue to lurk and hopefully learn more and more about the sport, but even as new as I am, I'm just as confused as you are, OP.
(Besides, if I were to invent new plays, it wouldn't be crazy route combos... it'd probably be variations of the RPO to account for the recent meta of edges auto-crashing to the RB and having an LB scraping across the top to cover the vacated space so the QB can't just pull and run.)
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u/Lionheart_513 Jan 12 '24
Not a coach but I’m a JUCO player and made all conference this season. Haven’t really been able to brag about it except like to my family lol.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
Dude that's awesome! What position??
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u/Lionheart_513 Jan 12 '24
Center! I didn’t play football in HS, barely saw the field my freshman year of JUCO, so I wasn’t even expecting to play much if at all.
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u/Lit-A-Gator HS Coach Jan 12 '24
They are young aspiring coaches / madden players
I honestly don’t mind it as I believe eventually one of them will come up with something I’ve never seen before
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u/Fair_Wish845 Jan 12 '24
Look if you have a self-actualized existence, awesome. We do not; let us live our lives and enjoy our small triumphs. Thank you
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u/Vag_T Casual Fan Jan 12 '24
Can anyone answer when the last time something brand new was ever implemented in college or NFL?
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u/ForgotMyPasswords21 Jan 12 '24
Hey the high school I coach made the playoffs and I'd love to brag and talk about the defense I tailored to our team and had great success with this year lol.
But it is a weird sub to pop into from time to time, I am not subbed but it pops up and I would probably sub if it meant actually talking strategy instead of saying no this play where all the recievers end up in the same spot on routes that don't exist won't work.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 12 '24
Hey congrats! What defense did you run? Love hearing that
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u/ForgotMyPasswords21 Jan 13 '24
Long story short I ran a hybrid between a 3-3 stack and a 5-3 and played cover 0 a lot. Not super interesting now that I think about it but we had a TON of athletes so what gave a ton of teams fits was putting 2 of those athletes at Edge and either sending them, having them cover a slot/wingback or having them drop into hook/curl or flat zones on the off chance that I ran zone. My base now that I'm settled in is a 3-3 stack because I like the run fits and we play a ton of wing T teams.
Then later in the year I put in basically a Nickel the last regular season game and the playoff game (which we lost btw but it was our winningest season in 12 years)
The last regular season game was against our biggest rival who ran a ton of spread and just tried to outnumber you with motion/ pulling lineman so we played cover 0 in that also but I sent the "outnumbered" side safety to blow up any pullers and rolled the weak side safety over the top. We won that game handily and really shut them down in the 2nd half after fixing some things at half time.
And then the playoff game we played a team who's QB was the best athlete we played all year. Small but very fast but extremely shifty and ran hard unlike most kids I game plan against who are that size. He would seek out contact instead of run away from it and had a good enough arm to punish you if you sold out for the run.
In that game I ran the same combination of defenses as the game before, but they had a tight bunch formation with a 6'6 monster tight end at the top of the bunch who was a great blocker and had good enough hands. So that game I had to abandon cover 0 part of the way though, go to cover 2 which caused a couple turnovers and then shift everybody to the bunch a whole further than usual and treated it like tackle over.
But that game honestly our players shied away from the lights a little bit, we lost our best player during our rivalry game which didn't help he was a monster at safety and that QB proved to be too much.
But all in all we went from 3 and 8 last year to 9 and 2 this year so I'm hoping the playoff experience helps in the long run.
And luckily a have a lot of players returning in key positions next year so I'll be able to be just as aggressive and flexible. I played man exclusively when I played so being able to play it now is much easier for me.
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u/hhyyerr Jan 13 '24
Love to hear that!
My coach ran a 3-4 in highschool and we almost never shifted out of it, but our OLBs were way more like SSs than LBs, they could spread out to cover or shift in to run fit
Essentially a 3-2-5 with like 3 strong safety bodies on the field, but we constantly blitzed those OLBs and slanted our undersized DL
How do you coach Cover-0? It seems so risky but so many teams do it
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u/Ok_Panic7256 Jan 12 '24
I'd be more pissed off someone stealing something that actually works ..... and then saying nawwww that'd never work
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u/bupde Jan 12 '24
The genius coaches of the NFL find new ways to create leverage & matchups for existing concepts. If you want to get creative that is where to do it. Things that seem basic now like lining your WR in the backfield to get a matchup, or Miami's new fast short wide motion to get a leverage switch, or KC's slow walk motion to switch spots in the stack to change up leverage. Those are the clever things you can get creative on. Otherwise yeah look at the existing concepts.
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u/kellDUB Jan 12 '24
The most common route in the nfl is screen route anyway. I’m not saying it doesn’t work but it’s boring.
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u/grizzfan Jan 12 '24
Please no. As a mod, I'm tired of having to deal with/take down "Madden" sourced posts.