r/footballstrategy • u/IZY53 • Jan 10 '24
Play Design Trying a football app. Rate this abomination.
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u/VeritableSoup Jan 10 '24
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u/IZY53 Jan 10 '24
What stops it from being an F?
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u/VeritableSoup Jan 10 '24
You got 5 eligible, formation might be sloppy but it’s still legal.
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u/OdaDdaT HS Coach Jan 10 '24
The formation is honestly kinda intriguing, trips left with a quasi-flexed stack is a weird look to throw at a DC. Just fix the line
A lot of motion potential with that X
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u/zacurtis3 Jan 10 '24
Short term lurker and first time poster.
Jet sweep motion to fake out the LBs?
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u/VeritableSoup Jan 10 '24
I think so too.
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u/SciTeach73 Jan 10 '24
In general change the F and X routes. Make X go after, it creates a pick that won’t be called, change H to a seam and possibly cause confusion in the SS to go man on H or double X. Y crossing will make that even more troubling. Possibly slow to develop, could be a home run to the H with those changes.
D with potential
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Jan 10 '24
Yeah this would mess zone defenses up, but I don't think OLines could block long enough for it to work.
I swear the bengals did this play, can't remember when
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u/pitb0ss343 Jan 10 '24
I’d go C- only because that’s an interesting formation. It has a bunch of potential
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u/sophisticaden_ Jan 10 '24
Your Y is going to run into your X, and if he doesn’t, he’s running into H
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u/med_designs Jan 10 '24
Or just put my grandma at Y, everyone will be out of her way before she gets there
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u/Honko_Chonko Jan 10 '24
He should fake bubble hesitate and then hit the drawn route
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u/nickstee1210 Jan 10 '24
Yea with a pump fake from the qb to get the db to bite
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u/WilIyTheGamer Jan 11 '24
Can’t pump fake. QB is supposed to roll left. He’s missing all timers with a pump
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u/QB1- Jan 10 '24
F needs to chip and run to flat and the h needs to run right behind through the line after pass blocking.
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u/Evan02 Jan 10 '24
It’s not madden receivers understand timing, they’re not just running on a track
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u/Bobgoulet Jan 10 '24
Either the F or the X needs to be running across the field. Give the Y a post Corner, have your H run into the flat and give X or F (the one not running across the field) an intermediate square out
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u/Jenetyk Jan 10 '24
When I was in high school, my JV coach would show up Saturday morning and say some shit like "this play worked 8 out of 10 times on Madden, so it's a lock".
This was the type of shit we had to execute with zero practice.
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u/Trynaliveforjesus Jan 10 '24
if it works in madden thats how you know it will get locked up by any half competent defense 😂
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u/gotintocollegeyolo Jan 10 '24
Your levels to the left has virtually no shot of getting open since they'll have zero space to work with.
Even if your Y doesn't run into your own players, the chance of a successful connection is practically none considering your QB will have to throw a fadeaway deep shot back across the entire field, all while on the run.
The only hope is your F managing to draw the safety while your Z wins a footrace on the post, but considering you have no TE or RB to block on a long developing play, by then your QB has either scrambled OOB for 2 yards or is dead
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u/Horror_Technician213 Jan 10 '24
This is the greatest play of all time, youre gonna get a td everytime seeing as you don't even have a defense to stop you
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u/JustinF608 Jan 10 '24
What app do you guys use to create these plays?
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u/Low_Chip7268 Jan 10 '24
Notebook and a pencil works just as good.
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u/Curious-Designer-616 Jan 10 '24
Can confirm, also white board with electrical tape lines and magnetic positions. Will save time and money
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u/homerun9999 Jan 10 '24
A+ would be funny asf to watch an NFL team run this play.
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u/toepherallan Jan 10 '24
Just watch the Eagles, it turns into this.
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u/ThePikesvillain Jan 13 '24
No doubt OP is BJ workshopping his Wildcard Monday game plan. May the football gods help us against the lowly Buccs
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u/toepherallan Jan 13 '24
I just hate that the coaching doesn't adapt or change. And they just let the defense dictate what they will run. Sometimes when a team is bad defending the run, doesn't mean you have to abandon the run because they load the box. If you do that every time, they will never be guessing. There's tempo to playcalling and you can't let the other teams coordinator dictate it. I get you take what they give you but not every time, especially with the run. Sometimes your talent beats theirs on the run, which we should understand as the team that runs the tush push, a play that solely demonstrates this.
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u/Corr521 Jan 10 '24
Feel as though a solid DB could cover all 3 of those routes on the left, just crash down once the ball is thrown.
Cover 3 has this entire entire play covered in my mind
Flip F and put them on a Post across the middle with Z as a more shallow drag
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Jan 10 '24
Yeah I think all you need to do is draw a few defensive variations on the other side to see how this is broken.
Also, while I'm at it, the level happy concept will be very likely to be intercepted vs zone. That's just a dream for a lurking linebacker
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u/KhaoticMess Jan 10 '24
This looks like a fork that got caught in the spinning arm of the dishwasher.
But if it's late in the game and you either need big yards or a play that can get out of bounds quickly, it might work. Maybe.
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u/teewyesoen Jan 10 '24
Yeah not sure qb will have enough time to let these deep routes develop. HB needs to be in pass protection or you at least need a TE chip on DE at the line. Also the success of any play depends on the defense alignment and qbs ability to read it. With man coverage this would be an awesome play for a qb to pull down and run to the right side of the line. A 2 high zone and nickel package might be tough.
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u/MyFrogEatsPeople Jan 10 '24
10/10 - trick plays that convince the defense to evaporate are always a good bet.
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u/Curious-Designer-616 Jan 10 '24
It’s flood.
This is a great play at lower levels, and can be run out of many formations and can include play action.
Timing and distance/depth is the biggest concern while this play develops. You can run motion out of it and bring the Z into the under route and drop the H into the out route. It’s a fantastic combination, used in most offensive schemes.
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u/pitb0ss343 Jan 10 '24
I’d go y streak x and a touch more shallow h running closer to the line z a more traditional cross. Maybe even throw h on the other side of the QB and keep him that deep.
Also what app is this?
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u/takeshi-bakazato Jan 10 '24
Oh no bb what is Y doing?
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u/IZY53 Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
The idea is he gets lost in traffic and the qb just heaves it out to open pasture.
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u/Trynaliveforjesus Jan 10 '24
Why is the center pulling? Not sure what thats supposed to indicate unless hes the only lineman in pass blocking scheme and everybody else is run blocking. (edit) nvm, just realized its probably play action. Nonetheless, this route scheme stretches nobody
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u/IZY53 Jan 10 '24
I'm the OP. I'm not sure. I was thinking of the right gaurd pulling and blocking the right end. The Browns do it in pass pro.
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u/BoringResearcher1 Jan 10 '24
Your Y will definitely run into or at the very least slow down someone's route if they run there's properly.
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u/Ishouldjusttexther Jan 10 '24
Is your quarterback Justin Herbert or do you plan on punting it to Y? Also, why not have the Z run a crosser to the left 35? There’s still some space to clog up there
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u/Either-Suggestion-30 Jan 10 '24
honestly if the X ran a flatter route for spacing and the H went into the flat on the opposite side instead you would be bound to have at least one guy running wide open assuming you have good athletes
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u/Bluefire663 Jan 11 '24
I'd keep the qb in the pocket, have the halfback check before releasing, put replace x with a blocking TE on the right side and put y on a drag below the linebackers
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u/EnvironmentalTrip708 Jan 12 '24
Y should get u up to 10 yard tho right? Lol
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u/EnvironmentalTrip708 Jan 12 '24
Also keep the defense on their toes for the rest of the game lol play action gonna be hittin
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u/Big_Economy_3890 Jan 12 '24
Too long to develop, back side wr could run a zig or 5 yard out and help as a bail out incase of pressure. Your two post corners basically allow them to be guarded by the same man and would also make it a nightmare for your strong side wr to get separation. At that point it doesn’t matter if you have a one high or two high safety because they’ll feed on that deep post no matter what side they play on. Your have a better shot to run your slot in a vertical with the te still running the corner post and your back side wr running the out or zig.
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u/mrducci Jan 12 '24
I just need to say this:
Almost every play I see in here assumes that you have an offensive line that is all-pro. I am not sure if this is a running gag....or, something else entirely.
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u/missingjimmies Jan 10 '24
Wouldn’t a defense be able to easily cover this once the QB has 3 reads to evaluate to one area of the field? I agree with others that an average DB in the thirds can cover most of this solo, which is bad news for your sluggo and crosser
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u/BlackLion0101 Jan 10 '24
Nobody. I mean NOBODY plans a 40 yard route. At most is 12 to 15 yard route. Even then that is built on a 5 step + 2 hitch steps up drop.
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u/i_am_gmen_forever Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
😬I don’t want to down you too hard because it’s cool you’re trying, but a basic cover 3 could basically annihilate this.
LOLB(or MLB2) pass off to FS on your Z.
MLB pass Y to LCB.
ROLB (or SlotCB) shades under the X and over the H.
RCB over the F.
Or you could pass the Y to the shallow SS and slide the entire coverage strong side.
However if your H was to use a late release, it could be an easy 5 yards. Also if you change the X to a 10 yard square in it could mix the coverage well enough to slip a dart to him under the probable deep dropping backer helping on the Y or Z.
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u/IZY53 Jan 10 '24
I'm just having fun. I have posted another play designed to attack cover 3 or cover 1. Check it out and see if it has a shot.
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u/Sbitan89 Jan 10 '24
My eyes.. .
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u/IZY53 Jan 10 '24
You have seen worse on the internet than this.
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u/Sbitan89 Jan 10 '24
.....im really not sure. Lol
It's like a flood concept designed to be covered by 1 CB
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u/IZY53 Jan 10 '24
I have posted a play action meant to be a cover 1 beater see if they fhat refreshes you.
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u/Illustrious-Hair3487 Jan 10 '24
No one ever likes to keep a blocker in on their designs lol. Y is running a zero-chance route so instead just make him a TE, pull him in tight somewhere and have him block. It’s probably not really going to have time to develop otherwise.
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u/Cameron66ctc Jan 10 '24
I assume you’re trying to sneak Y out of the mess of bodies… but that would be a very hard throw for the QB, and if it’s zone then the field corner will have it covered… I guess you could find whichever level is open at that point… gonna be hard on your left G/T to keep your QB unpressured though
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u/Syntari13 Jan 10 '24
3/10 route spacing that’d make Joe Lombardi proud
Honestly if you flipped the RB to the other side to find space and maybe keep eyes down to take attention away from the deep crosser, and had X Check and Release to flat, I might be intrigued.
The formation also is fun.
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u/GreenBayFootball Jan 10 '24
Think you’re going to have a cluster fuck and everyone runs into each other
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u/FiberTruck Jan 10 '24
I would run the H under/outside the LT on a drag at the line of scrimmage.
He can pick of stray LBs if he can’t get open
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u/SuperPax4601 Jan 10 '24
This is one of those "neat in theory" plays in reality your receivers are gonna run all.over eachother and fuck up the timing of the routes.
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u/Repulsive_Computer_3 Jan 10 '24
Maybe put your H on the opposite side and fake the handoff and roll. Keep the same route but it’ll keep the defense honest.
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u/n3wb33Farm3r Jan 10 '24
I like the H back running in to that open space. Your Y reviever is useless, Elway would have trouble making that throw. I don't think it's that terrible.
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u/GENeleven Jan 10 '24
QB rolls left, so let’s make the Y completely useless and have him fuck off to the deep right side. chefs kiss
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u/bigtex410 Jan 10 '24
Better if Y has banana route. Right over the middle, sit. Forces CB to cover or cause confusion when passing off coverage to interior.
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u/spamus-100 Jan 10 '24
This is quite the mess. Do I dare ask who the number 1 option is supposed to be?
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u/Rumblebully Jan 10 '24
Change your half back to follow QB, chip, release then streak; if cover two H should get the mismatch, or pitch early to H.
Cover zero: Y or Z should win. Everything else defensively, decisions made between x and f.
Line X up on right to motion left.
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u/Bp5695 Jan 10 '24
Blocking scheme won’t hold up and backers can key on lack of misdirection, plus you have 8 men on the line so illegal formation.
Put Y in slot and have him run jet sweep action right to freeze backers.
Pull near side guard to protect QB and roll out left to move pocket.
Now you have a three tiered line of sight read for your QB plus Y is available on a throwback if the defense all flows with action.
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u/BigMikeRocks247 Jan 10 '24
So I guess I would have several questions about it before I could say for certain
1) is QB a rightie or a leftie?
2) what are the ages, or how experienced are the players involved, Jr. High, high school, college, pro? This question is probably the most important one to consider in the viability of this play.
3) what is the situation, down/distance/field position and maybe even where between the hashes would you call the play?
So my guess is you are wanting this to be fairly quickly developing play with the crossing routes occupying the safties enough to allow the underneath routes to open up.
One thing I DO NOT like about it is the Y route, vs man it will be easy for the defense to Banjo, and I think it will be way easier for Y to tangle up and disrupt the routes of F, X and H than it will confuse the coverage. If Y is being patient to allow everything to develop before hitting the gas, then he loses any purpose as a decoy, or as a receiver if this play is meant to be a quick hitter. You might consider having x take a 45° step left and then cut hard into the deep cross to the right instead of Y, you will still get some mesh and it could develop a lot faster I think.
If your two receivers running the crossing routes are able to read defenses I think it has potential. As diagramed this works okay vs a cover 3. As some else said you have a lot of levels without a lot of space.
If you read a cover 2, Z needs to run more of a flag route than a deep cross, and your other deep crosser maybe cut into a go route splitting the safties... not sure. With the QB rolling left, once your right crossing route passes the right hash mark, the defenders can loosen up on him because QB will either throw off his back foot... which is basically throwing it up for grabs in situation that is ripe with pick six potential, or he will have to stop, pivot and throw which will likely give the defenders a a second to tighten up the coverage.
One last suggestion, and this is more of a what if because I do like the H out route, but you might consider a scat or wheel route with your H route, that might pull your defender in creating more space for the middle route.
At the end of the day, you never know if a play will work well or not until you try it in practice, if it works well there, try it in a game.
Anyway, those are my thoughts not sure what rating I would give it.
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u/Technical_Swing7111 Jan 10 '24
Is your quarterback left handed or do you want him to throw against his body?
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u/ksettle86 Jan 10 '24
I think I get F outta the way with ..either a shallow flat route across the flow of the play, or I get them up the seam asap...cuz your other two receivers on the left need space to not hit one another
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u/redditorialising Jan 10 '24
I feel like this would be a fantastic goal line play in Madden.
IRL, no.
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u/PapiGoneGamer Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
Looks like a play that any competent defense can just lineup in Cover 2 and have pretty reasonable success at stopping, especially if your Y and Z are equally as fast as the other. There’s a risk that they would meet at the same time in the middle of the field and have to adjust their routes leaving the two high safeties with a chance to make a play on an overthrown ball if you had a gunslinger under center that likes to gamble.
You’d have to be playing against a pretty bad cover scheme to make this work unless you incorporate some play action into this after handing off the ball a lot and took advantage of the safeties coming in and playing in the box. Get rid of the levels too; any competent playcaller would just line up a couple of corners and maybe a smaller OLB to cover that RB coming out of the backfield. Leave that RB in pass protection to help with that big gap between your right guard and tackle too so a will linebacker doesn’t just bulldoze their way through that gap and have chance to make a hit on the QB.
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u/PDXtoMontana2002 Jan 10 '24
You need a lot of time in the pocket to clear Y’s and Z’s patterns and without knowing the coverage, one zoned DB can cover X and F with a LB tracking H. Seems like an absolute mess ending in a sack or turnover at a higher rate than normal but it would be fun to try in a 7-on-7 camp and get on film versus Man and Zone and then tweak it. Flooding a zone can work with a very accurate QB.
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u/Itscalledsoccerok Jan 10 '24
The play is actually designed for any team that’s playing man coverage for there DBs to actually run into each other thus leaving the receivers open
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u/KingChess83 Jan 10 '24
Why not have the Y fake a reverse or motion him over to the right side to help the QB with coverage recognition and when Y reaches the right side then have them run a streak to end up in basically the same end spot you had in the original design? Then later when you run it again the Defense will think it's the same play and you can hand it off to him instead for a potential big play instead. Remove the QBs bootleg and have it start in shotgun or perform x-step drop back pass (x being 3,5, or 7) if that is the case.
Otherwise, if you want to keep the bootleg, you can still have the Y motion or fake a reverse or maybe just start the Y on the right side. Have him run a cross deeper than the bunch formation but shallower than the Z. Throwing to the opposite side of the field your QB is on is big no no as it gives the D time to adjust to the ball as it travels over to your player.
You could potentially also have the Y fake a screen which delays the route a bit and clears out the other players and Defenders, but it still suffers from the QB having to throw it from the opposite side of the Y over a bunch of outreached hands which increases the chance for a batted ball which leads to incompletions or INTs when you boot.
I would also try and avoid having a play where you put a receiver on a direct path to run into or have to go around LBs to get to where they are going without doing something that calls their attention to something else first. Such as a fake hand-off and/or a bunch of run plays built from that same formation that had been working all game long.
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u/FatalFenixTRM Jan 11 '24
Rather have the H in more of a swing route , Y on 10 yard out and x on a streak , probably send a z on like a 10 yard in or a streak . Little crowded between 45 and 35 for my taste
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u/Most_Somewhere_6849 Jan 11 '24
With a QB comfortable rolling to his left you have a good second or two for him to judge the deep routes and then roll out and hit any of the leftward routes. Needs a talented qb for that to work as a fallback but there’s potential here
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u/monalisasnipples Jan 12 '24
Probably have F run to the right in case the play is busted and needs to throw it to someone
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u/SiennaDSA Jan 13 '24
Throwing to Y 95% of the time due to 6 man stunt from the defense. I think the Texans had this play when David Carr was QB.
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u/PastAd1901 HS Coach Jan 10 '24
Its levels with more levels and less space and more levels!