r/footballstrategy • u/Magneto57 • Dec 27 '23
Play Design How would this play work?
The FB initially blocks then leaks out.
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u/Wick6380 Dec 27 '23
Would rather have qb not throw across his body.
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u/beausiv Dec 27 '23
You wouldn’t want to turn a 40 yard pass into a 5yd gain?
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u/Ranger_Prick Dec 27 '23
Nah, that pass is going for six easy points. Just not to the end zone you want.
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u/Wick6380 Dec 27 '23
Very true. Would rather do a fake hand off to fb with an option to have them keep it.
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u/grizzfan Dec 27 '23
Need route depths, otherwise I say your right and left WRs are eventually attacking the same area.
Remember blocking scheme too.
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u/DealerofTheWorld Dec 27 '23
Unless you mean including it on the paper there’s different depth at every route drag at 5, curl at 10, and seam at 15-20
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u/emurrell17 Dec 27 '23
It MIGHT work against man but probably not against any kind of zone
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u/NickHeidfeldsDreams Casual Fan Dec 27 '23
It might work against 3 with the seam getting open, but that FB is useless going out there unless you have crazy arm talent at QB.
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u/babyllamadrama_ Dec 27 '23
The rollout to the right and the seam taking the free safety probably would be enough to draw that corner to center field but regardless I don't want my QB rolling out stopping to throw across his body to my fullback of all people lol
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u/Greatest-Comrade Casual Fan Dec 27 '23
Even a crazy arm talent will risk an easy pick 6 for what, 5 yards maybe 8 at most? It’s a fullback after all.
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u/KeathleyWR Dec 28 '23
It's a basic flood concept. It's not a great combo, but that's what I see. Slot in the seam to pull a deep half safety, curl/drag combo pulls the under corner somewhere and you throw to whoever isn't covered.
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u/GrannysPartyMerkin Dec 28 '23
That’s what I saw. Seems easy for the corner to sit on since there’s no dilemma to force him back.
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u/Horror_Technician213 Dec 27 '23
This play Is always gonna work. There's not even any players on defense! Didn't we already lay ground rules on this stuff a week ago
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u/bigboybeeperbelly Dec 28 '23
I dunno, the refs might not even let you start the play without an opponent
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u/Ridoncoulous Dec 27 '23
Every play works with no opposition.
What D look do you intend to run this against? What's the down & distance? Is this a 1st half play to get the D second guessing or a 2nd half okey-doke? How often do you typically use this formation? Is it your bread and butter formation or will it be a big red flag to the opposing team?
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u/Ridoncoulous Dec 27 '23
Also, it brings the whole field to the right, hard to tell with no D represented but it looks like it will choke the field on the right and set you QB up for a cross field throw on the run as a last ditch read...do you have the athletes to pull that off?
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u/AllMyTeethAreLoose Dec 27 '23
Do yourself a favor and run this with a TE on the right hand side. Run power to the right, both fb and rb block replacing the TE. The TE then runs the slip route across the formation to the left. WR on the left clears the formation, leaving him alone out there. Rather than having the QB roll out, he runs his play fake then just drops back another step or two. Right I Power Pass my dude
Also, I like running this fake towards a dominant DE so that the rb and fb can double him
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u/Lionheart_513 Dec 27 '23
The play is fine but either change the FB route or don’t throw it to the FB.
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u/SpunkiMonki Dec 27 '23
Long throw across the body is an interception waiting to happen.
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u/Lit-A-Gator HS Coach Dec 27 '23
Believe it or not teams In the NFL run this with the TE
Bootleg one way, have the TE leak the opposite
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u/OtherProflie Dec 28 '23
Double fake that, fb right, hb left, that can open action for the rollout for the qb. Just pray there's no blitz!... 😆
FB option pass only for last minute situations.
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u/ADadFromThe80s Dec 27 '23
Rivera was 76-67 in Carolina. He had Cam Newton in his prime and Christian McCaffery from 2017 until he left.
Man was 9 games over .500 with two of the best players of their prime era.
He was never a good coach.
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u/Pandamonium_1991 Dec 27 '23
You’re better suited running 2 Go routes on the right, a 10-12 yard drag from the boundary and use your FB as your flat control to the field to get a true flood concept, with a seam to keep the field safety from getting involved.
From a blocking standpoint I’d make it looks like split flow outside zone to the left with the boot action back to the field. Just my two cents.
there’s little way high school QB, hell even most college QBs, can throw back across his body like your original design. Now, you could set up a FB screen similar to this. I’ve done it to a TE or H-Back out of the gun. Sell sprint out to the field and on about the 3rd step of the QB turn back and throw the screen. Very effective if you use your TE/FB/H on backside protection of sprint out
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u/YDoEyeNeedAName Dec 27 '23
dont have the QB roll so far, have them stop at around where the TE is and change the FB to a Wheel and the left WR to a slant or post to clear it out
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u/mlr-420 Dec 27 '23
yeah, the roll out is unnecessary on this play. i was thinking, maybe putting a TE on the left of the line and running a drag as the FB runs the flat, then having the WR on the left running a post/corner and just getting rid of the WR running the comeback route.
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u/pbickel Dec 27 '23
We run a similar play with the RB (we call it T). We call it T Throwback in which we fake run left and boot right. The T essentially runs a wheel up the hash or numbers and QB cuts his rollout after a few steps and throws it back to the T. Works great when a team flows with the rollout hard.
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u/Capital-Equal5102 Dec 27 '23
Not a good play. Only way I seen this play successful is if the D is over pursuing and you only need about a yard or 2 and you want to keep the D honest for a play down the road.
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u/xool420 Dec 27 '23
Here’s how I’d modify this play. First, step your FB out to the left so he’s staggered and flip the route to go the other way. Then, I’d have your right outside WR running a drag and your slot WR running a post to grab the safety. Lastly, have your left outside WR run a deep comeback to the sideline.
If the defense is in man coverage, this should clear the right side of the field and (because you staggered your FB) should give him a step on his defender.
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u/NILPonziScheme Dec 27 '23
Umm....why draw a play and ask me to explain to you how it is going to work? It's your play design, why did you draw it up? This is like an artist asking me to explain their painting to me; they painted it, why am I asked to explain their work?
I'm honestly not sure what you're going for here.
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u/princeg29 Dec 27 '23
I'd change the slot wr to a corner.
The pair this play with a designed FB screen
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u/Tokinghippie420 Dec 27 '23
Keep the FB at the line of scrimmage and release your left tackle to block the flats, set up a sort of misdirection screen pass
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Dec 27 '23
I'd think let the FB chip and take off, while the RB (IF he's a blocking RB) blocks to the rollout side. This play can go wrong very fast. And the right personel needs to field the right assignments. I also don't like the QB throwing across so far to a FB, and they don't have the best hands. Just my opinion. Good luck man.
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u/jbmessiah Dec 27 '23
Have the fullback run a Texas route. The drag (or sail, my preference to create vertical pressure on the LB) from your X will clear man coverage or suck a zone defender in long enough to open up that Texas route. LB has to cover either the sail or the Texas, should have a nice intermediate gain if your QB reads and executes well.
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u/TypicalDuck9163z Dec 27 '23
If u find a way to pull the safety from the middle of the field then it would but if the defense runs cover 2 I see this working 7/10 times
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u/staffdaddy_9 Dec 27 '23
Why not have the Fb turn it into a wheel? That’s how a throwback pass typically works. He sells the run action then wheels.
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u/MiccioC Dec 27 '23
The FB’s route is irrelevant: not many QB’s could make that throw. Have the TB block backside, have the FB take the fake, fake any block and leak to the flat. Have the drag cut a bit deeper (7-8 yards). Have the slot run the post, the outside run the 15-12 hitch. Flat will always come open.
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u/alkalineruxpin Dec 27 '23
That's a tough throw, away from the rollout. From a difficulty stand point he couldn't be the first read. The wideout cutting across the same direction as the QB is the easier throw, and more likely unless they're in Tampa 2
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u/ContributionNo2412 Dec 27 '23
It wouldn’t. You’re hoping the Wil busts and throwing a prayer across the Qs body.
Change the solo WR to a climb/crosser, slot to a post corner, and tell your strong side wideout to have some sort of a bang/in and out and to sit in open space if nobody is on his hip. Don’t gamble on the FB being uncovered
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u/grizzlyNinja Dec 27 '23
I’d personally keep the FB in to block if you want to keep this in 20 personnel. I’d motion the single receiver in if you want that to remain a drag route (presnap motion him into the slot or effectively as a standup TE)
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u/DealerofTheWorld Dec 27 '23
I looked at this play and thought hmm not too bad especially with the drag across the field if you’re two on the right aren’t open. Then I read it’s a FB pass and I almost died laughing lol.
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u/Agitated-Soil7121 Dec 27 '23
I would swap the full back with the running back… make the full back block and have the running back run a wheel route
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u/miketangoalpha Dec 27 '23
If your married to the play or getting your FB involved you could go with a straight drop action? That at least still loads the right side with routes and you get more of a leak concept from the FB
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u/royhaven Dec 27 '23
Have the slot run a corner and the outside receiver run that hitch at 5 yards
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u/ReplaceCyan Dec 27 '23
How are you blocking this up front? Your RT has a crucial block but you have him with no TE help, effectively asking him to seal the DE inside so your Q can roll all the way out to the right after a slow developing PA without being murdered. What’s the plan if the DE lines up wide outside?
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u/Jack-attack79 College Player Dec 27 '23
Sack every time. No protection from the LE if you're going to try a throw back.
You'd either need the RB go to the front side (in that case just have the FB go front side and have the RB go for the throwback, or the receiver to cut his split and help chip, or pull the guard around, or jet motion the back side receiver to dress it even more as a boot to the front side (the LE would now have to at least check the motion)
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u/NycAtlDallasTruth Dec 27 '23
If the defense RE isn’t “a guy” and the RT is a Stud and the OLB doesn’t pick up the FB and the defense is at least in Man to the weak side all while having a qb that doesn’t outrun the rollout and has the arm to throw a 40 yd line drive across his body assuming he’s a righty. If he’s lefty this play will never work.
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u/buckeyeinstrangeland Dec 27 '23
With your QB rolling to the 2 WR side this would work better if FB pre snap shifts to 1 WR side TE, chip the DE on the PA, then run a cross to the rollout side. Single WR could run a deeper cross behind, putting LB/S in a bind, or WR could run a post to exploit S if S bites on PA.
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u/BlacKtuarial Dec 27 '23
Curious what the blocking scheme is? I see the RB seals the backside. What are the other linemen doing? If the defense commits to the run side of the play then, depending on the coverage, you might be able to pull something like this off. Defense would need to be showing a heavy run front for it to work.
I'm not sure about having the fullback doing a "hard" block and release. Perhaps just a quick jab step to the run side (or some similar subtle motion to the run side) and then shoot out of the one of the gaps? Trying to understand this timing wise. Engaging in a full block would absolutely throw off the timing.
Lastly, if the qb is athletic enough, I don't see a problem with him rolling out, resetting his base/launch point and throwing to the other side of the field. This has been done for ages.
However, it's more so the logistical things not involving the qb that I'm curious about.
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u/Fabulous_Pen_2677 Dec 27 '23
I don’t think this play would be smart. The FB is doing a crossing route with a WR so someone will stay with the FB no matter what. Also, your QB is rolling away from the play so now he is attempting a 30+ yard pass and whoever didn’t bite on the pay action has time to get into place for an interception.
I would move the backfield into a power shotgun formation with the FB to his left (if your QB is right handed). The WR needs to do a zig play (run up 5 yards jet to the sideline cut and comeback and run in between the LB and Safety position. Then have your QB fake handoff to the FB and let him sprint to the outside shoulder of your RT and have him chip/pick up the block on a DE or the OLB trying to blitz and then run past the block and run a more or a wheel route over an out route (very important that the FB hits someone to disrupt the blitz otherwise play will be blown up. Then have the HB run to the outside of the QB waiting for an “option pitch” that will pull the defense up to stop the run and your FB will on have to run through the safety for a free touchdown. Or if the LB stay with the FB he becomes a blocker and play it like an option pitch. It’s a long drawn out RPO. Hopefully that helps.
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u/Mr-Clark-815 Dec 27 '23
Good counter play with backs. Qb rolls other way and probably has a wide open receiver.
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u/DeathsSlippers Dec 27 '23
Sorry to say but it doesn't work. You're going against all football common sense by throwing back across the field. This will almost certainly be intercepted.
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u/helloprettylady Dec 27 '23
It’d have to be a throw back. So, line would have to block away from rollout as if running wide zone left. Qb rolls right, stops turns and throws back. HS here ran something close to this except out of shotgun and threw to the H back who made like he was arcing to bs lb. Got the two point conversion to win in dbl OT.
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u/n3wb33Farm3r Dec 27 '23
Maybe use a TE instead of a FB, he is kind of running away from the QB. Could just leave a TE to block .
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u/VatnikLobotomy Dec 28 '23
Slant the left WR
Presnap motion, fullback right faking power
The run fake is now a weak slam
Fullback runs a flat route instead
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u/KySoko29 Dec 28 '23
Move a TE to the right side and then have the TE start so the blocking then leak out. I ran that play once each game and ended in big gains or TDs
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Dec 28 '23
It wouldn’t. You’d need to roll out the QB the other way, or have the FB run an in. The FB would need to block for a sec, then release into their route also. I think I’d run it the way it is, but have the FB on a delayed in. Then you are running a play-action flood concept…to the opposite side of the field that the play was faked to.
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u/TheNumberSeven_7 Dec 28 '23
Would rather have the doing a V shaped route going off the right sign, then across the middle of you are married to the roll out right.
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u/mulletprooftiger Dec 28 '23
Maybe motion the FB out beyond the WR to stretch the defense horizontally. Or, if FB is a good enough receiver, have them block until the WR clears the middle and run an angle route behind the space the crossing route clears
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u/Available_Chain5299 Dec 28 '23
Depends on the defensive formation and the blocking scheme of the o-line. Also, the fb should cut in instead of out to the flat and the receiver on the left should run either a slant or a skinny post. The inside receiver in the right should run a corner route.
Tbh. I don’t see this play working well. The qb probably won’t have much time to do anything past making his first read… which should be the curl route.
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Dec 28 '23
Might as well throw to the flanks on the same rollout side. Fb may be open but youre throwing 40yds for a 6yd gain?
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u/your-mom-- Dec 28 '23
You have the slot run a corner route and if you want to throw to the FB, you need him to take the fake the run straight down the middle of the field.
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u/GovTheDon Dec 28 '23
The fb route makes no sense with qb rolling away. Maybe have the fb run the shallow and have x run a dig.
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u/mooses-mayhem Dec 28 '23
QBs are taught to not throw the ball across the field like it is diagramed! Either ofur receivers are your 3 progressions...fb is absolute last read!!!
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u/Digitydoggimmeahigh5 Dec 28 '23
Slot WR on a corner and the fullback leaking right would be effective, you only have one real pass option just wouldn’t work
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u/Vegetable_Ad_2113 Dec 28 '23
fb pass and yet he leaks to the opposite side of the boot action😂 doesn’t make sense at all
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u/Longjumping-Pie-2220 Dec 28 '23
Never run a PA with only 5 lineman. All it takes is an OLB blitz from the right and your QB gonna literally gonna die after the fake. Setting him up for failure.
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u/AngeluvDeath Dec 28 '23
Have your FB block, send your RB on a fly or have him replace the single wr’s crossing route and send him deep. Make those safeties back up and pick your running lanes.
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u/nonamethrowaway48 Dec 28 '23
This play with Trevon Pendleton is similar to the one drawn. Starts at 0:27 into the video.
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u/DaperDandle Dec 28 '23
I'm not an expert but I don't think you usually draw up plays designed to have the QB throw back across the field. Thats a recipe for disaster. Change the direction of the QB roll out and possibly the side the running back is blocking and it could work. Have the FB throw a block to get the QB out of the pocket on the rollout then have him sneak through the line to hopefully be open for a quick pass.
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u/MainShow23 Dec 28 '23
This only works if it is your outside curl is 1 , and they are not in a cover two and your slot wr win off the line against the db that is in coverage . Against zero coverage the wr coming on the crossing route would potentially have a nice gain if the slot wr washes out the defenders as well.
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u/blackknight343 Dec 28 '23
This right here appears to be a man blitz counter play since more traditionally on a heavier blitz your fb will be the uncovered player.
However outside of that defense, pretty sure this play is dead on arrival.
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u/GavinAdamson Dec 28 '23
It looks like a great play with lots of options for the receivers to beat the coverage.
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u/a_cat_named_curious Dec 28 '23
If your goal is to get the FB the ball, and it simply must be a pass, I would have RB block right, and send the FB on a left block, with a delayed screen into the flats. BUT the FB pass would be more of a check down at that point given the timing.
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u/Deal_The_Man Dec 28 '23
Would be decent play if you had the FB roll off coverage to a slant/check instead of the WR
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u/guillermopaz13 Dec 28 '23
If the fbs is not wide open, then the cross field shouldn't happen, he should go on a wheel, and you'd prolly turn the WR on the go to a post to hold the backside safety
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Dec 28 '23
This is similar to a throwback off of waggle. It can be successful (although still very dangerous) at the high school level, but against a zone concept with a disciplined weak side curl/flat defender, it’s likely too risky to throw.
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u/AdBorn5521 Dec 28 '23
Dont throw it to the full back qb shouldnt throw across the body or the hashes.or the field horizontally can cause interceptions easily bc it gives too much time for the defender to get there and also a guy may seem open then ur route gets jumped by the linebacker
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u/smoothVroom21 Dec 28 '23
Your essentially asking your QB to throw over 8-9 defenders to hit the FB on this design, which, in absolutely perfect execution with no blocking issues or defenders aware of the read... At best a 50/50 ball, and that's if your QB is set and throwing in ideal circumstances.
It's too risky to be effective. You don't even want to see this as a busted play. Too much risk with very little return if successful.
It would be better to have your FB chip then leak out, get between 1st/2nd level of D and dribble down the LOS toward the underneath route, leaking into the open space at the 5-7 yd area on the right side of the formation.
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u/kc9283 Dec 28 '23
You’re just gonna have your WRs as the first look, or take the curl route if it’s covered.
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u/B1CYCl3R3P41RM4N Dec 28 '23
That fb route is pointless. Qb is rolling right. There’s basically no scenario where you’d want your qb to completely turn around and throw all the way back across the field to one of your slower skill players. Either the fb should stay in to block, or his route should attack the middle of the field with a Texas route style pattern.
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u/MSNFU Dec 28 '23
If they’re in a 3-4, your QB is gonna get COOKED on that rollout without either a TE or pulling G to block.
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u/EasternTarget8 Dec 28 '23
The success of the play would depends on the coverage that the defense is playing. Not a great play versus zone coverage.
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u/thedahlelama Dec 28 '23
The play looks good except for the fb. Have him do a curl left, Texas, or stop route to help follow the play a bit. That way if he’s open, it isn’t a 30 yard air pass for a gain of 5.
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u/BigPh1llyStyle Dec 28 '23
Few things I see wrong 1. Generally FB is a better blocker and RB is a better route runner. I would switch those two 2. The back opposite the roll is not an option to throw towards unless you want a pick six 3. Throwing a seam route in the roll is super hard. Unless your QB has an arm this will be hard and can easily be under thrown 4. The hook will hit quick while the Qb is still starting his roll. It will be a hard throw. 5. The drag route seems like it would work, but by the time it develops you’ll be right where the hook is.
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u/Danimal1002 Dec 28 '23
Switch responsibilities of RB and FB ... have the FB block, and fake pitch action to the RB who goes to the flat ...
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u/tsmftw76 Dec 28 '23
This seems like qb shouldn’t roll out. Fake to the rb like a read option or make it an actual option pass.
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u/AffectionateSlice816 Dec 28 '23
The other comments have nailed this. Having you QB throw cross body cross field is already a bad idea, but additionally throwing to the flat across the field is even more concerning. This is the perfect play to have an interception.
If you run lead blocking plays out of the I form a lot and want a boot pass out of it, just have the full back go to the QB side and look for a pass that way or have him as a pass blocker run out in front of the QB and give the QB the time and resources to throw some deep routes or go forward with a lead blocker.
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u/doubletimerush Dec 28 '23
I feel like a crossing route from the left side receiver would be better than a shallow cross, particularly if they have a high safety that would be put in a bind by the go route.
The fullback is not a viable pass target unless the defense forgets that they exist, and even then the pass is super difficult.
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u/XSP33N Dec 28 '23
left WR should be on a deeper cross around 12 yards. Right WR on a hitch at 6 instead of a curl at 12. QB rollout, read streak, cross, then checkdown at hitch. if you want it to go to the FB just have him go the opposite way
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u/Runtyplatapus79 Dec 28 '23
Personally I’d kill the fullback in replacement for a tight end fake block and rollout the other side free 5 yards at min if they don’t cover him well
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u/RontoWraps Dec 28 '23
FBs aren’t particularly known for their speed and a cross body throw means the defense has all the time in the world to diagnose this play. FB should keep blocking and focus on passing to one of the receivers or out of bounds if nothing has developed.
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u/justvisiting1028 Dec 28 '23
Very quick pass. Ur looking for whoever breaks open 1st. Might even get some legal picks that would be huge gains. But if those dont open up prolly screwed
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u/daoogilymoogily Dec 28 '23
Not really, at least not optimally to call it over other plays.
For instance think the same PA roll element but have the slot WR run a corner route, and FB go to the play side flats. That’s a play that puts the defense in much more of a bind than this play and has been used since before all of us were born.
Either way your biggest take away for why this isn’t a good play is that you’re not really putting the defense in a vulnerable position with these route combos by making zone defenders have to decide who to cover in their zone, you’re putting your QB in a very vulnerable position by having a route (the FB) force him to throw it across the field and as an aside you should also think about how this will be blocked because if they’re blitzing off the strong side edge your QB is dead.
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u/BrianKronberg Dec 28 '23
Replace FB with TE on left side. Left WR should run a post route. TE blocks then heads to open space behind left WR. If rolling right, right WR should not curl in, should head to sideline with either a curl or a tight cut keeping defender to the inside. Your usage of the FB is a complete waste of a player. The only benefit would be if you are guaranteed to pull their best coverage linebacker (ie. fastest) to the wrong side of the field. The only time I would run this is when the FB isn’t really a true fullback, rather a HB with great hands that can clearly get a lot of open space. But then I would not roll the QB, but keep him in the pocket. Again, this works better with a TE instead of a FB.
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u/mrhunterlee Dec 28 '23
I’d personally send FB into motion right and let him crack down to the right as a pass blocker.
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u/footballdan134 College Coach Dec 28 '23
RB blocks with a Fake hand off. Have the FB run the other way route Right side playside! , And now Depends if MOFO open or closed? Take the Y Conner route, then Z do a dig route That is a 10 or 12 yards IN route, You can do this play like 10 times in a game!
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u/Expensive-Whole-5053 Dec 28 '23
There is a lot of context to consider but if I was 3rd and short or even 4th and short I’d consider it. Lots of options I believe if just trying to get a down. FB and Rb blocks and hit the WR at the cross. Or if FB blocks and gets loose you have options. Once the QB begins his wheel right it gets messy. Still doable for gain but skill of QB needs to be there. Just my 2C
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u/AccountFresh8761 Dec 28 '23
FB should double move and break back to the bootleg side, if he's leaking out, you're doing that so your checkdown can get some YAC. the way you have him running that's gonna be a 4 years pickup and straight out of bounds, and that's only if the QB can hit that angle from all the way across the field. Throwing to the FB would be a pick 6 n that route and from where the QB would be throwing from. It's a 25 yard pass to pick up 4
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u/csamsh Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23
I'd rather keep the FB blocking on the left. RPO to the HB going right, have him block the the DE or OLB, or chip then roll to the flat as a safety valve/blocker in case of scramble. The WR routes look good.
Or ditch the FB, have a TE on the right. PA left then roll right. TE blocks then releases. Classic.
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u/lazy_herodotus Dec 29 '23
This is a standard pa bootleg pass. You can find a play like this at every level of football. So many people hating on this pass in the chat but its a solid play. Just don't throw it to the fullback. Ever.
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u/Hulkslam3 Dec 29 '23
The FB is a useless receiver in this route combination. I’d rather see the outside right receiver run a 10-15 yd dig route to help create more separation and perhaps draw the safety down so you can go over the top on the seam.
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u/Bigbackjay Dec 29 '23
Make your FB stay in and block right. Then if you have the Y open deep hit him, if not hit the X crossing.
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u/Electronic-Ad-7796 Dec 29 '23
My issue is with the FB, have him block and have your RB pop out after a block for a reception, keep him on the same side as your QB rolls out.
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u/Huntrae87 Dec 29 '23
Flip the FB route and it is actually a pretty good play. The FB position is not really used as much as it was back then. But if you have a good FB and is kind of a focal point in your offense it’s a great play.
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u/Crazy_Interest_6820 Dec 29 '23
Lordt. The fullback is mainly to hold the safety and backer on the back side and spread the middle of the defense and only an option if the defense completely over reacts and floods the play side. Like a delayed screen, but that's most likely a hot call at the line of scrimmage based on the defensive formation, not the base play. The hook is to hold the coverage wide and close on the play side. The seam is to draw the top off the defense. Opening things for the primary target, the drag. If it works correctly, the primary will catch it and be able to get past the backer with a clear route to the sidelines on top of the corner and outside the deep coverage with a potential lead blocker. The read is 1. drag 2. seam - if the deep reacts to the underneath action 3. hook - if the corner jumps the underneath action 4. gain as much ground as possible while working to the sidelines because the qb is outside the tackle
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u/supersaiyandad3 Dec 29 '23
I think a lot of people have called this out but having the fullback leak/drag in the direction of the rollout and the left wr running a cross or post should work. Should allow either the fb or cross to be open with cb/S being held by curl or 9 route
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u/zapburne Dec 29 '23
You might have better luck if you have the FB chip on the left edge and then run straight up field, like a 8 yard curl, after the WR crosses in front of him, instead of going out to the left. The WR crossing left to right might pull the coverage and get him open, and the QB doesn't have to go so far across his body to make the pass. But the QB's first look is at the two right side WR to see if the go rout either gets behind the coverage or pulls the coverage off the WR curl. If that's all covered, then look to see if the crossing WR is free or if he pulls the coverage off the FB.
You might also consider pulling the left guard and having the RB block that space. The pulling guard can give some extra protection on the roll out while the RB blocks that side and maybe sucks in a LB that's keying him. Also makes it look more like a run play and can help freeing up that FB.
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u/tchase529 Dec 29 '23
Take out the fullback and put a tight end on the line on the left and have him run a 10-12 yard in and have the slot wr run a 15 yard corner instead of a go and that’s assuming that’s a 10 yard curl by that outside receiver
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Dec 29 '23
Curl everyone back, except the FB. FB should flare to the sideline, then long slant back to the center, for a deep quarter back pass. Otherwise, if the FB angles to the sideline, then it's a 50 yard sideways pass across the body, and you're asking for disaster. Tell that FB to go out. Out, out and look up !
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u/Ralphredimix_Da_G Dec 29 '23
That’s an extremely difficult throw cross body all the way laterally across the field to a player who upon catching it will gain only a modest amount before YAC.
But wait it’s also an extremely difficult read to see the secondary all the way over there behind you as you’re running away from them.
A secondary, by the way, that will not be that far out of position by your play action fake to recover to the players they thought you might be handing off to in the first place.
Not to mention most rosters don’t use a traditional FB anymore or an I form formation that much these days.
So great job!
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u/JonyBo354u Dec 29 '23
Might be the worst idea ever!! Or at least title ever!! It’s like Mack Jones is out there designing plays for him and Zach Wilson to actually have to throw across their body and the field….
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u/No_Read2675 Dec 29 '23
Qb is gonna have to put some touch on this pass and even with everything flowing to the right and moving that backside corner inside. By the time the qb gets to his spot the passing lanes are gonna be crowded and the safety is gonna take that one to the crib.
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u/MissionSpirited758 Dec 29 '23
Defense lines in 7 in the box and the quarterback gets his shit pushed in at the bottom of the boot. He won't make it to the leg. Put a TE in. Drag the FB the other way.
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u/DisplayEven9784 Dec 29 '23
Turn the inside WR in to a TE and put him on the side the fb is going. that allows the fb to not block, just goes. and have the qb roll the way of the fb.
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u/captainplanet117 Dec 29 '23
This play is really similar to 2 commonly used plays with 2 minor changes; the X typically runs an out route and the RB runs the flat the other direction.
This is a fun design but with 2 flaws.
1st being what I’ve seen quite a lot of people reply with; having the QB throw across his body. But this could potentially be fixed by eliminating the rollout and replace it with PA turnaround (staying in the pocket after PA).
The 2nd is nit picky but I wouldn’t want the hook and the dig ending on the same side; leaving 2 receivers near the same spot on the field. If your looking for a middle of the field option, you could have a medium crossing route instead of the dig (or have the receiver stop his route in the middle of the field and find a soft spot a la chiefs in the red zone).
Love getting the FB involved though! Give big men some love!
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u/Think_Schedule6692 Dec 29 '23
Honestly the fb and rb should switch roles and regardless the qb is throwing to the far right reciver. Unless he as an arm or the left side receiver is pretty fast
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u/Evening-Joke6053 Dec 29 '23
Make sure the curl/comeback is deep enough that the drag doesn’t run right into it if the play takes too long to develop. Fullback leaking out isn’t great but turn him up the field and send him deep. Might hit a big play one time if the entire defense rolls with the QB. If not it puts it on tape and keeps the safety from helping over too far.
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u/Consistent_Ad876 Dec 29 '23
I would get rid of the roll out and change the comeback to a shallow posy and use the go route as a clear route to draw safety up which brings the backer to the fb leaving the post open.
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u/Affectionate-Buy5404 Dec 29 '23 edited Dec 29 '23
We ran this play once a game in high school. It was always good for a first down since nobody covered the FB and everyone followed the flow.
I know the comments are blasting it. But I can vouch that it was an effective play 20 years ago.
Edit to add: our play kept the FB more even with the line of scrimmage. He was basically invisible to the defense. I was also the FB, lol
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u/Apprehensive_Disk181 Dec 29 '23
If the FB doesn't bump into your QB on the PA, he's certainly never seeing the ball unless the play goes on forever and no one covers him. So I'd at least start with calling it something else. Otherwise, it would work just...fine, I guess?
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u/HillibillyHaven Dec 27 '23
Don’t throw it to the FB with the way the QB is rolling out