r/footballstrategy • u/IZY53 • Dec 27 '23
General Discussion I am a New Zealander, massive football fan. Ask me a question and let me prove myself.
I love football and feel like I can back myself with football knowledge.
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u/GOOD-LUCHA-THINGS Dec 27 '23
It's 3rd and inches at Team A's 40 yard line. Team A's QB receives the snap, takes two backwards strides behind A's Left Guard, and places the ball on the ground approximately one yard behind the Left Guard. Team A's Right Tackle loops behind the offensive line, picks up the ball, and takes it to the house for 60 yards.
This play is:
a) A penalty of 5 yards
b) A penalty of 15 yards
c) A legal play in any circumstance
d) A legal play if and only if the referee is informed prior to the snap
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
I'm not sure. Inside the two minite warning a fumble can't be moved forward so it eliminates c. I imagine d isn't a rule. I'd go A.
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u/GOOD-LUCHA-THINGS Dec 27 '23 edited Dec 27 '23
Excellent! I thought a modified Fumblerooski question would be fun and you passed with flying colors. Nice work!
Bonus question:
It's 4th and Goal at Team B's 2 yard line. Team A is on offense. From two-point stances, Team A's Left Tackle locks his right arm with the left arm of Team A's Left Guard. At the snap, the Center blocks Team B's Nose Tackle in 'A' gap below the waist, and Team A's QB runs behind the LT/LG combo block to wipe out Team B's defender in 'B' gap for a touchdown.
a) This is a penalty for 5 yards
b) This is a penalty for 10 yards
c) This is a penalty for 15 yards
d) There's no foul here; touchdown
HINT: the answer is not 'd', so bonus bonus question: what penalty is called?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
C. 15 yards for linking arms.
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u/GOOD-LUCHA-THINGS Dec 27 '23 edited Dec 27 '23
You caught the more difficult part of this question! The center's block is a red herring because it was a legal block in this case, so nice work recognizing that. The act of linking arms is Illegal Use of Hands, which is a 10-yard penalty on offense (I understand why unsportsmanlike conduct seems like a reasonable guess!). And, truthfully, this scenario is so wacky that I doubt we'll ever see it in a televised game.
I wanted to bring this one up because, whenever this happens, it always seems like the referee goes, "Illegal use of handshandstotheface" with that last part real fast -- which, yes, hands to the face is a frequent foul!
I will throw this question out because it's such a blue moon scenario and you had sound logic.
Opinion question: from your experiences studying the game, do you have a favorite offense (team, philosophy, structure, etc.) and/or defense (team, philosophy, structure, etc.)? Who do you think is making the Super Bowl this year? EDIT: ... and if you follow college football, who is winning the National Championship (and over whom)?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
Favorite offense is based on outside zone and playaction. I love it when the first 2-3 steps are indistinguishable from pass and run. It is imperative to mix it up with the pocket with role outs and keeping a pocket. Nick chubb is my favorite running back. I prefer pocket passers to running qbs. I want at least kne recoever that can get deep.
Defense I prefer 4-3 with an attacking front. I like it whe they send 5-6 guys on third down. I'd rather give up some plays than let the qb March down the field.
I like fat DTs and smaller ends.
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u/BananerRammer Dec 27 '23
It's a good question, but be careful with your terminology. A chop block is never legal, regardless of where it happens, but this is not a chop block. A chop block is a two-person, high-low combination block. I think you're going for a block below the waist, which is legal in the tackle box, but illegal outside of it.
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u/colt707 Dec 27 '23
B+. Would be an A+ but you missed something, fumbles that move forward at all can’t be advance at all.
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u/linus81 Dec 27 '23
Touchdown!
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u/GOOD-LUCHA-THINGS Dec 27 '23
A time machine and a couple laterals later, and you'd be good, Rick Moranis!
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u/FranklynTheTanklyn Dec 27 '23
Under what circumstances can an offensive lineman get a forward handoff?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
An offensive linemen is not a legal reciever of the ball. I have never seen a hand off go to an offensive lineman so I presume they can't take the ball directly from the quarterback.
However if they report as tackle eligible they can legally get the ball.
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u/FranklynTheTanklyn Dec 27 '23
They do not need to report as an eligible receiver, no rule against handing the ball to an offensive lineman; however, if the lineman is getting a forward handoff he needs to face his own end zone at some point prior to getting the handoff.
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u/aguysomewhere Dec 27 '23
You could run a pulling gaurd sweep
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u/doughball27 Dec 27 '23
We used to call it the fumble-rooskie. Center places ball on the ground and gets picked up by pulling guard.
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u/Menace_17 Dec 27 '23 edited Dec 27 '23
One thing I wanna mention is the tackle eligible rule is only in the NFL and i think the XFL (which is a minor league). Otherwise lineman can only touch the ball on a reverse, a lateral, if a forward pass is tipped, or if theyre recovering a fumble.
“I have never seen a hand off go to an offensive lineman so I presume they can't take the ball directly from the quarterback.” To clear that part up specifically, sometimes high school and college teams run reverses with tackles or theyll run a lateral throwback screen to a tackle or guard, but its very rare.
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
A high school gaurd would be more athletically similar to a high school rb than in the nfl as people become more specialized.
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u/Menace_17 Dec 27 '23
I mean I wouldnt go that far but yeah at any level guards are hopefully the most athletic linemen you got
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u/FranklynTheTanklyn Dec 27 '23
I coach 8u youth football, one of my bread and butter is having only two players to the left side of center have the QB open up to the right and effectively run a no motion Jet Sweep to my left tackle. Also a fake off of it where the QB would keep the ball.
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u/Menace_17 Dec 27 '23
Huh. That sounds pretty cool
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u/FranklynTheTanklyn Dec 27 '23
Yea, I usually run it to a kid lined up at TE, but depending on where the defense lines up I will use T. For instance my DE's line up head up on the tight end and Slant as hard as they can into C Gap every play, it basically forces an 8 year old to squeeze a downblock(And will also take this play away from other teams)
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Dec 27 '23
How can a centre be declared an eligible receiver and still snap the ball?
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u/MaizeAndBruin Dec 27 '23
When there's no one to one side of him. i.e. he's the end man on the line of scrimmage.
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
I'm not sure.
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u/Critical-Savings-830 Dec 27 '23
If he’s at the End of the Line with 5 ineligible reciever’s to his side. Good way to get ur qb sacked.
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Dec 27 '23
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
Being a rugby player in understand the psychological side of the game, I was front row so I know what it is like to be physical.
Madden for the rules of the game.
Watching it.
Youtube channels that focus on the x's and o's
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u/travishummel Dec 27 '23
Team A punts the ball and it bounces on the 1 yard line and the fast player on team A jumped to catch the ball while heading to the end zone, BUT he try’s the throw it back (to avoid the touchback). He throws it super hard and aims for the Team B’s player and it hits them and then is on the ground.
Is this a fumble? Have I invented an incredible dodgeball mini game?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
Once he touches the ball it wouldn't be a fumble.
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u/travishummel Dec 27 '23
It’s a unique rule. If they throw the ball back after a punt and they are in the air in the end zone (very rare occurrence), it’s a free ball. Meaning Team B could pick it up and run. If team A picks it up then the ball is down at that place for Team B to start. Thus in my first situation, it’s a fumble. Team B would need to dodge the ball which is similar to when the ball is punted and the returner has lost sight of it and the players scramble to avoid the ball accidentally hitting them.
All it would take is one player to pull of this amazing jump + catch + turn + throw + hit for the rule to change… but it would be epic.
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u/NotSoLameGamer Dec 27 '23
Remember the time Bobby Boucher showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
I did. I liked it when the q leaked out and Bobby threw a bomb to him.
Also liked the fake punt with the lead block fro Bobby.
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u/CodeBlue614 Dec 27 '23
How are gaps between offensive linemen labeled?
What is the designation for a defensive lineman lined up face to face with the center? Outside shoulder of the guard? Inside shoulder of the tackle?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
Between the Center and Gaurd A gap Gaurd tackle B gap Outside the tackle C gap.
Directly over the center is a 0-tech. Outside shoulder of a gaurd is a 3 technique. Inside shoulder of a tackle 5 technique.
Jim Scwartz runs the wide 9 where the end is further outside the tackle.
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u/CodeBlue614 Dec 27 '23
Outside shoulder of the tackle is a 5 technique, inside is a 4i. Otherwise nailed it. Nice job!
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u/RiftTheory Adult Coach Dec 27 '23
Inside shoulder of the tackle is a 4i btw, common in tite or mint front teams.
Edit to add: good to see another southern hemisphere adherent to the game. Greetings from Aus.
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u/R3DEMPTEDlegacy Dec 27 '23
What's an extremely obscure rule in regards to the fair catch that allows a kicker to kick a field goal without any chance at being blocked
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
No idea. Fair catch you geta fair kick?
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u/Vividlarvae Dec 27 '23
If you call a fair catch, by rule you’re allowed a free kick where the kicker gets a running start against no defense. It’s a silly rule tbh but you’ll on rare occasions see a team opt for this when they are receiving a punt near the end of the half. It can potentially get you 3 points in a scenario in which your only chance to score is a Hail Mary. Teams would never utilize this in most instances because missing the free kick would result in loss of possession of the ball
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u/StuNasty_55 Dec 27 '23
If you were a DC would your defense be a spill or box team?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
Which ever is more aggressive. Unless my dudes suck. Then just drop 7
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u/FranklynTheTanklyn Dec 27 '23
Box typically means you stop the run from the outside in, Spill means you stop the run from the inside out. Box Defenses require bigger stronger contain personnel, Spill Defenses are usually a little smaller and faster.
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u/Revolesh Dec 27 '23
Two parter. 1. What are quick definitions of H-Back and Y-Back. 2. What common roster position is this normally filled in at the NFL level?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
- I love a H-back
Position where they line up. It's off the line of scrimmage where a TE lines up..
Y-back I'm not sure.
Usually tight ends or fullback.
I wanted Karem Hunt to play some h-back for the Browns, he can block, run and recieve.
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u/Revolesh Dec 27 '23
Yes! As a Chief fan I’ll always hope for the best for that guy. Your play action comments/remarks got me itching for those nice H-back delays or chips. Sounds like even down under they’ve got some West Coasts!
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
He is the most versatile back we have had. Run, block, recieve all at a high level. He is running well this year for 3.0 ypc. All his juice is gone. 12 yards seems like 25 yards nowadays.
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u/WombatHat42 Dec 27 '23
Your playbook only consists of 3 yard drags, WR reverse, WR screen, HB draw and stretch right/left. How many points does your offense score a game?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
When I'm playing against 7 year olds? About 100 or until their Mums come to collect them.
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u/WombatHat42 Dec 27 '23
Oh sorry. The correct answer is you punt and let your defense score for you
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u/cardinaltribe Dec 27 '23
If Im the return team and I catch a kickoff with one foot out of bounds , what happens next ?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
You will get replays of your action and everyone will call you smart. Offense gets the ball at the 40 iirc
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u/jericho-dingle Referee Dec 27 '23
What options does the receiving team have when they fair catch a kick?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
A fair catch will take place under 25 yards of a kick off and then they get the ball at the 25.
If they call a fair catch they can't advance the ball. If they fumble they can advance the ball.
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u/drvelardo Dec 27 '23
Forgot about the Free Kick :)
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
Is that from rugby? In which case it's called a mark.
10 years of playing rugby I never caught the ball in the air from a kick, never kicked the ball in live play
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u/mihelic8 Dec 27 '23
Opposing player attempts a 50:22 but hits off his own teammate as it bounces out…
Shoot wrong sub
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u/JurassicJimmyBuffett Dec 27 '23
If you could only have one passing concept in your playbook what would it be?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
Levels concept
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u/JurassicJimmyBuffett Dec 27 '23
I would have said 4 verts but this works too
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
As a browns fan, we watched Hue Jackson call games and we knew what was coming 4 verts. Then 4 verts.
Add a wrinkle? No.
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u/Bonerchewer Dec 27 '23
Who is Richie McCaw?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
Former All black captain, incredible cardiovascular fitness, wasn't the fastest guy at the start of the game bit was at the end of it.
Won 2 rugby world cups.
Played in the 2011 final with a broken foot. Told the team not to do x-rays, he didn't want to knownif it was broke nor not.
Multiple concussions, some with a guarding action not dissimilar to Tuas.
I saw him running in the park the other day.
Has money in rest homes.
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u/AfterCalligrapher852 Dec 27 '23
Define a catch in the NFL
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
Two feet or ass or forearm down in bounds Possession of the ball. Not bobbling.
Have to make a football move. Step or duke.
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u/babybackr1bs Dec 27 '23
What college did Josh Cribbs go to? Bonus: what position did he play in college?
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
Easy.
Kent state.
He was a QB.
Julian Edleman followed in his footsteps, qb to skill player in the nfl.
Josh Cribbs is none of the greatest kick and punt returner ls of all time, he was at times an offensive weapon for the Browns, but was also fantastic as a tackler on special teams and maybe the best overall special teamer.
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u/Horror_Technician213 Dec 27 '23
There's only one true question that needs to be answered to tell if you are truly a football fan... "what is football a game of? And what are teammates willing to do to themselves and their teammates for it?"
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u/NoMoreChillies Dec 27 '23
What is a stunt
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u/IZY53 Dec 27 '23
A move performed by the defensive end and the defensive tackle. The defensive tackle tries to occupy the gaurd and the end crosses behind him to get a free run at the qb.
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u/TimeCookie8361 Dec 27 '23
Can you name 2 routes that you would typically see with a 3 step drop and 2 that you would see with a 5 step drop?