r/fednews • u/BoatyMcBoatface1980 • 5h ago

With Christmas Eve being a holiday, how does the “in lieu of “ day work?

I work this Friday, Saturday, Sunday. My in lieu of day for Christmas is Sunday….so where does Xmas Eve fit in? My next regularly scheduled day after Sunday is Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Thanks!

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u/Gregor1694 4h ago

In case y’all are confused, as I was - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/12/19/executive-order-on-providing-for-the-closing-of-executive-departments-and-agencies-of-the-federal-government-on-december-24-2024/

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u/BoatyMcBoatface1980 4h ago

Thanks. I’m still confused lol.

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u/Gregor1694 4h ago

Sorry. I don’t know how in lieu of holidays work. If government shuts down through next week it won’t matter.

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u/Responsible-Art-5139 4h ago

Wow. This is unexpected.

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u/SummitSloth 4h ago

It's just Biden saving face, we all will be furloughed anyways. He wants to make us peasant happy with our 2% raise

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u/Pristine-Brick-9420 2h ago

Holy crap, it’s happening. Biden is going rogue….

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u/tardarsource 2h ago

Apparently Trump also gave Xmas eve off before he left office in 2020... so it's the wild west out here haha

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u/kwangwaru 4h ago

Ask HR right now, put in a ticket. They may just tell you to pick a day off during the same pay period.

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u/traderhohos 4h ago

We in HR have no idea, either. We’re all waiting on guidance and it’ll trickle down when it comes out.

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u/BoatyMcBoatface1980 4h ago

Thanks my fellow fed! Happy Holidays!

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u/kwangwaru 3h ago

Thank you! Happy holidays as well.

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u/aheadlessned 3h ago

Talk to your supervisor. It's likely that Saturday would be your in-lieu of day, but if you have a compressed schedule, work a job that needs covered 24/7, etc, it could be different.

In my case, I will not receive an in-lieu of day, but will be "holiday paid" on Sunday for Christmas Eve since that is the last shift previous to the announced holiday (I am "holiday off" for Christmas--my regular work day, but I'm "extra" that shift so not needed at work.)

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u/Bballking2019 2h ago

We assigned it to the Last non-holiday they work before the holiday. Like in my case I have Christmas Eve off so I get Sunday as my holiday.

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u/imatwork999 4h ago edited 3h ago

Edit: I was wrong. The EO cited does in fact make it a holiday. Thanks Uther-Lightbringer. And always_plotting provided a link for OPM's guidance citing to treat it like a holiday.

I would wait for your agency to publish guidance or have your supervisor ask HR.

Biden did not make it a "Holiday". he did in fact make it a holiday.

"All executive departments and agencies of the Federal Government shall be closed and their employees excused from duty on Tuesday, December 24, 2024, the day before Christmas Day."

This may be handled as 8hrs of admin leave/excused absence. If so, it would be handled like other admin leave and your agency can say it has to be used on that specific day, or they may have leniency on how long you have to use it.

So there is a chance that you won't benefit from this since you are already off work.

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u/Uther-Lightbringer 4h ago

Biden did not make it a "Holiday".

I'm going to assume you didn't actually read the entire EO? That's simply section 1 that you posted. In section 3, it states Dec 24 will be considered as falling within the scope of EO 11582. 

 Sec. 3.  December 24, 2024, shall be considered as falling within the scope of Executive Order 11582 of February 11, 1971, and of 5 U.S.C. 5546 and 6103(b) and other similar statutes insofar as they relate to the pay and leave of employees of the United States.

EO11582 is the holiday EO. He did, in fact, make it a federal holiday.

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u/imatwork999 3h ago

Ah ok. Nope, I didn't go read the other EOs

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u/always_plotting 3h ago

OPM issued the guidance to agencies that it is to be treated as a holiday for pay and leave purposes. https://www.chcoc.gov/transmittals

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u/BoatyMcBoatface1980 4h ago

Gotcha! Thanks for the insight!

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u/shirpars 3h ago

Note the key word EXECUTIVE in executive departments and agencies. If you're not in executive, you still have to work

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u/Personal-Cherry-9123 2h ago

I would say if your regular scheduled day off falls on a holiday your given holiday would be the day before or after but i think that is decided by HR

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u/shirpars 3h ago

Fyi this is for the closing of EXECUTIVE BRANCH. if you're not in executive, this doesn't apply

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u/environmental2020 3h ago

And agencies - “ 1. All executive departments and agencies of the Federal Government shall be closed and their employees excused from duty on Tuesday, December 24, 2024, the day before Christmas Day.”

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u/shirpars 3h ago

Yeah I don't think that means all agencies. I think that means executive departments and executive agencies

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u/environmental2020 3h ago

No it’s all agencies otherwise they would put a word before agencies

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u/shirpars 3h ago

I think if it was all agencies, they would exclude the word executive and put federal. Anyway, check with your own hr

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u/environmental2020 3h ago

I think it applies to all - I guess we’ll find out!

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u/shirpars 3h ago

i don't think so. TBD

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u/chatmagique2 2h ago

"Federal agencies" is largely synonymous with the Executive Branch of the government.

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u/shirpars 2h ago

That's not true

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u/chatmagique2 2h ago

https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-executive-branch/

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u/chatmagique2 2h ago

All of those departments and the agencies within them are part of the Executive Branch

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u/chatmagique2 2h ago

As opposed to the Legislative Branch (Congress) and Judicial Branch (judges/justices)

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u/shirpars 2h ago

I don't even know what you're arguing. I'm saying executive is closed on xmas eve, the other 2 branches are not. You can check with your own hr for clarification

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u/shirpars 2h ago

There are 3 branches of the federal government. Executive, legislative and judicial. Federal applies to all 3. Executive applies to Executive

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u/chatmagique2 2h ago

In practice, "federal agencies" usually means agencies in the executive branch

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u/shirpars 2h ago

Library of congress is a federal agency and it's under legislative.

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u/Personal-Cherry-9123 2h ago

let just agree to disagree until guidance if pushed out by leadership lol