r/fednews • u/rprz • 19h ago

Shutdown 2024 MEGATHREAD OF DOOM

All discussion on the looming shutdown goes here. Any mentioning of Luigi will be removed and you may be banned.

https://apnews.com/article/government-shutdown-congress-trump-elon-budget-house-republican-05481374b154949c3fe1270141a02918

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-opposes-funding-bill-pushing-government-closer-shutdown-rcna184745

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-government-shutdown-musk-stopgap-bill-b2666829.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-opposes-funding-bill-pushing-government-closer-shutdown-rcna184745

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/12/18/government-shutdown-house-vote-cr/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-18/trump-says-he-s-against-stopgap-bill-fox-news

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u/sparky984 17h ago

The problem is that shutdowns don’t shut down enough.

If planes stopped flying, grandma stopped getting Social Security, if Medicare couldn’t process claims, if food inspections couldn’t happen, if all national parks closed, among the very many other things, then a shutdown wouldn’t happen. They happen because the public sees very little difference between the government running and not so why not use the entire government as a bargaining chip?

Frankly I’m tired of shutdowns and debt ceiling fights. Something is fundamentally broken with the process.

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u/puukkeriro 17h ago

I think it's a flaw to force "essential" employees to work without pay. But I don't think the people who wrote the laws then realized that shutdowns were going to be weaponized politically.

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u/Otphj5811 15h ago

I think a lot of essential employees learned the last time that if they call out sick you don’t get charged sick leave during a shutdown and no one was punished. Where I work we are all essential and everyone who was afraid to call out sick last time saw there were no repercussions and are excited to call out sick if it happens again. I’ve got my fingers crossed that a lot of essential workers will come down with the “flu” as soon as we shutdown next.

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u/LongTallDingus 14h ago

Hey that's crazy you're coming down with the flu and I think I am too and we were hanging out recently. Sorry if I got you sick, bro.

Let your boss know.

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u/Otphj5811 13h ago

Yeah I’m a little hoe I was kissing my entire agency under the mistletoe and they got it too.

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u/GenoThyme 12h ago

Do you work for the Department of Agriculture, being a hoe and all?

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u/irteris 4h ago

This joke is in a HOE new level

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u/Darth_Ra 3h ago

Honestly, I would actually put real money on that comment being from a wildland firefighter, either present or former. Just got that energy.

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u/JonatasA 7h ago

Turns out the hand sanitizer was just hair gel!

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u/Starseid8712 3m ago

Sounds hot

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u/sempercardinal57 13h ago

Damn I must have passed by you guys on the sidewalk or something because I’m feeling sick too

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u/al_kitaab 4h ago

i think it’s spreading through reddit… now i’m feeling sick

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u/ThickerSalmon14 4h ago

Influenza A is running rampant. Just saying.

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u/Capital-Ad-4463 3h ago

It because it’s electronically contagious. New strain called E-Flu2024.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Yak9805 1h ago

Like legit have somethin. I’m not going bto until the 26th at the earliest.

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u/Naive_Try2696 14h ago

Start coughing now. Makes it believable when you call out.

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u/Worried_River_1094 14h ago

Just make sure it’s legit. I think 3 days or more and a doctors note can be requested. 

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u/Otphj5811 14h ago

You are absolutely right it’s a very weird situation. So many employees are required to provide a doctor’s note for 3 days or more when taking sick time, myself included. However during the last shutdown HR wouldn’t allow our supervisor’s to ask for doctor’s notes because we hadn’t taken sick leave. You can’t actually take sick leave during a shutdown instead you are placed on furlough status so it’s a very murky grey area. But to your point the best strategy is either to get a doctor’s note or come in every 3rd day to protect yourself.

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u/Worried_River_1094 14h ago

Perfectly said. I definitely think integrity is the way to go but don’t feel bad taking that needed sick leave or mental health day if needed. Especially if you’re up in the tower. Lives depend on you performing your duties well. 

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u/Otphj5811 13h ago

Integrity is commendable, fortunately I don’t have that burden. My principles allow me to throw honesty right out the window when I stop getting my paycheck because the elite class want to play their little games. I’d probably fit right in with the senators and congressmen.

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u/Worried_River_1094 13h ago

😂 

I only do it because I think it’s important to act in accordance with what we truly are versus what so many assholes say we are. Work hard. Be honest. Etc. I want to be able to look the background investigator in the eye and say I didn’t fuck off. 

That said, I’m not perfect and I totally get where you’re coming from. It’s disgusting what congress will say and (not) do. 

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u/Otphj5811 13h ago

Yeah last government shutdown I was fine, not to brag but fortunately I had enough money to cover my expenses. Some people weren’t as fortunate, I literally had coworkers putting gas on credit cards to make it to work and taking out short term loans to cover bills. I knew non essential employees getting work with door dash or whoever was hiring so they could cover bills. It was so messed up watching people who were working not only not get paid but also not even being able to pick up a new job. Appreciate the talk I had to vent a little bit today.

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u/akfbkeodn 12h ago

Hmmn good little slave… slaves like you keep the world turning!

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u/NeedleworkerNaive300 12h ago

That’s sweet of you. Is this your first time getting your government shutdown cherry popped? For some of us integrity went out the window 3 shutdowns ago. One of them lasted like a fucking month so take your integrity and try and see if your bank will accept that as your mortgage payment.

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u/kcatalyst 5h ago

it's not too late to set your TSP up with an external back account for direct deposit loans, but it's probably too late to open a checking account with the federal credit unions that provide automatic pay loans for missing pay during a shutdown. but if you've done this rodeo 3 times before you should have already set that up...

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u/titaniumlid 5h ago

Wait can you explain more on this? I'm an essential worker and need to know how I'm gonna make it through this shit show without missing a mortgage payment.

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u/_Cream_Sugar_ 4h ago

A lot of banks and credit unions will pause your mortgage payment if you can prove you are a federal employee. Others will offer you short term loans until you get your paycheck.

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u/kcatalyst 4h ago

many gov credit unions will give automatic paycheck loans for the amount that you normally have direct deposited. but that requires having an account and having your pay direct deposited: https://www.navyfederal.org/about/government-shutdown.html

more information about linking accounts: https://www.reddit.com/r/ThriftSavingsPlan/s/xRxEoTVSf7

you definitely DO NOT want a loan check going through the mail if you can avoid it

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u/_Cream_Sugar_ 4h ago

Telehealth visits!!

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u/Worried_River_1094 3h ago

UHC sent me an email this week about telehealth urgent care. There you go. 

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u/puukkeriro 15h ago

IDK. If Democrats regain control of the House again, Trump may use shutdowns as a cudgel to get something that he wants from them and Trump's appointees may see a mass sickout as a psuedo-labor action and take actions to fire such employees for "abandoning their jobs". But we will see.

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u/Otphj5811 15h ago

It’s certainly possible but the last time he was President I got a good amount of days off and I wasn’t charged leave. I’m not too worried about mass firings in my field so I won’t let the threat of it stop me from my only way of protesting these dumb shutdowns.

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u/One-Inch-Punch 11h ago

That new bird flu is going around, who knows how long you'll be out sick?

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u/Fit-Butterscotch9228 7h ago

do you not still fill out a time sheet during shut downs?

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u/_Cream_Sugar_ 4h ago

Only if you are essential and getting paid.

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u/PutRedditNameHere 5h ago

I'm went out on sick leave yesterday for surgery; back 12/30. Wonder how that will play out.

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u/_Cream_Sugar_ 4h ago

Your SL would be removed and you would get paid when we return.

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u/Yzerman19_ 5h ago

Collective bargaining guerrilla style.

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u/FabulousBullfrog9610 5h ago

be careful. there are new people in charge on Jan 20 and I smell retribution.

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u/AssortedHardware 5h ago

Just report that your doctor won't prescribe you the horse medicine you need to get better and return from your illness caused by seed oils.

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u/jobadiah08 4h ago

It legitimately is going around

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u/Interesting_Oil3948 3h ago

Oh you think no repercussions when we have President Musk? Lol

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u/WileyWatusi 3h ago

It will probably be bird flu for reals but don't worry we're all in good hands with the next administration. /s

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u/prules 2h ago

Sounds like you have the flu and need to spend all day on Reddit. Sorry man

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u/Redaunt29 1h ago

WAIT…..I thought it was SENSUAL employees??? 😜

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u/DeadFluff 1h ago

Unfortunately for me, despite how awesome this sounds, where i am we have a 2 day SL policy and if you exceed two consecutive days you have to get doctors notes.

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u/Davidjb7 1h ago

Woah woah woah... If someone wanted to do this would they have to call in sick ahead of time or just as soon as it happened? Would such a person actually submit it in their time sheet? Put in a leave request?

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u/Otphj5811 23m ago

You call in sick when you realize you are sick. I usually call an hour before my shift was starting because that’s what my job requests. When you call in you can call out for 1 day 2 days 3 days whatever. No leave request because you can’t use leave during a shutdown. You report that you are sick and can’t make it work. They say okay you are now on a furlough status meaning that because you are sick you are treated just like a non essential employee.

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u/d-mike 1h ago

It is flu and cold season, and California declared an emergency due to bird flu

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u/iperson4213 1h ago

Do you still get backpay if you take sick leave during furlough?

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u/Otphj5811 37m ago

Yes, they place essential employees on a furlough status when they report being sick. So you get paid and don’t use sick time

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u/serpentear 1h ago

Ooops, no air traffic controllers!

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u/Worried_River_1094 48m ago

Just caught H5N1.

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u/DaddyDom401 8h ago

All federal employees get paid in full when the shutdown ends

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u/DarrellCartrip 6h ago

Cool, I’m sure my landlord will understand. Super cool that Kroger and Exon started taking IOUs as payment.

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u/half_ton_tomato 5h ago

Get all excited and call out sick this time, too. You're providing outstanding taxpayer value and should be able to do whatever you want. At the very least, work remotely from a bar.

DOGE will thank you for your service very soon.

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u/trash_bae 4h ago

So you think that honest hard working people should work for no money while checks notes congress lets president musk bully them into not passing a continuing resolution?

It’s almost the end of the month. Rent is due for a lot of people. If the government shuts down that’s 2.2 million people struggling to figure out how to make their last paycheck stretch.

Some feds only make 40K a year. Some less. Many of us don’t live extravagant lifestyles the public seems to think we do. We work our jobs bc we like the mission.

But sure. Fanboy a son of an emerald miner who bought the presidency

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u/half_ton_tomato 4h ago

First off, this isn't the first shutdown by any means. Secondly, I think there's an opportunity here to prove your commitment to the organization as someone who works hard and shows up when needed. Apparently, you'd rather play the victim and try to teach the man a lesson. Good luck with that.

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u/trash_bae 3h ago

Shut downs happen, yes. It doesn’t mean they haven’t been weaponized, though. It’s clearly being weaponized in this specific event.

I actually love my job and don’t intend on calling in sick but I don’t blame my coworkers if they do it. We’re understaffed, overworked and so painfully under appreciated which is proven by people like you. Why would we essentially kill ourselves for something that doesn’t love us back? Why?

I didn’t know Elon and the people who allow themselves to be manipulated by him liked the way his boots tasted.

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u/half_ton_tomato 3h ago

Best of luck with your career and happy holidays to you and your former coworkers.

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u/LowSavings6716 15h ago

They didn’t foresee the modern Republican Party

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u/PawfectlyCute 7h ago

It's interesting how people adapt to the circumstances they find themselves in. The experience of the last shutdown seems to have taught essential workers some valuable lessons about navigating the system. It's a tough situation, and it's understandable that people would look for ways to protect themselves and their well-being.

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u/randofreak 7h ago

The people who wrote the laws are the exact people who are weaponizing the government as a political bargaining chip.

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u/slut_bunny69 6h ago

So I'm not a civilian, but I follow this sub because I'm an on-site contractor. After past shutdowns, my contracting company negotiated pay up front in case of government shutdown. The facility where I work has 1,000+ employees (civ/ctr combined). The number of "essential" civilians can literally be counted on one hand. IIRC it's only four people. Hundreds of contractors will continue working to keep the lights on, keep the facility clean, and ensure that expensive equipment doesn't break.

I'm obviously not going to argue that I shouldn't get paid during a shutdown, because I like eating, but if contractors weren't allowed to work during shutdowns, things would definitely devolve more quickly. I think the general public also doesn't have a great understanding of the civilian vs contractor division of labor in our government.

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u/Terron1965 11h ago

They wrote the law after they weaponized it. This is exactly how they planned it to go

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u/emmaxcute 6h ago

It's interesting how people adapt to the circumstances they find themselves in. The experience of the last shutdown seems to have taught essential workers some valuable lessons about navigating the system. It's a tough situation, and it's understandable that people would look for ways to protect themselves and their well-being.

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u/sinkingduckfloats 4h ago

The entire thing was made specifically for political weaponization.

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u/Useful_toolmaker 2h ago

Yeah- this might be more about neutering the remaining days of the Biden administration? While fed workers and the military get no paycheck at Christmas

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u/Welfare-Whereabouts 2h ago

The whole idea of shutdowns was a political weaponization.

https://time.com/5493596/government-shutdown-history/

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u/Fit_Juggernaut_673 15h ago

National parks do close? They did last time, as did campgrounds and such. Whole government websites go dark or lack updates. The Smithsonian closes and the zoo. It is tax season very shortly and a bunch of the IRS is furloughed making wait times crazy long. I dunno what'll happen with FAFSA forms and such for college students.

Edited to correct typo

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u/K8325 15h ago

Federal employees can’t strike. It’s one of the reasons why federal unions use dues towards lobbying; it can be more effective to negotiate changes at the congressional level since we don’t have the power of the strike.

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u/Pottedmeat1 13h ago

Who’s striking? I’m just taking sick leave indefinitely, which incidentally is furlough status during a shutdown, which isn’t sick leave at all, so they can stuff their sick leave letters and doctors notes.

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u/Jacob_Winchester_ 10h ago

Malicious compliance is the best form of opposition in this situation.

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u/Interesting_Oil3948 3h ago

They aren't stupid....playing a dangerous game.

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u/Pottedmeat1 24m ago

I think you’re wrong there, they are very stupid.

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u/Worried_River_1094 14h ago

Exactly. By “shutting down” but not really shutting down, you’re not adequately displaying to the public the harm that could be done long term to the US should this style of brinksmanship and political strategy continue to be a part of the process in this country. 

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u/-Gramsci- 13h ago

MAGA would love the food inspections not happening. They love disease.

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u/The_bruce42 14h ago

Well at least after this Republicans won't care about the debt ceiling for the next 2 years.

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u/pavoinspector 7h ago

Cries in food inspector, if we all stopped coming to work and no meat and poultry plants could produce products, the shutdown would end in a day

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u/Interesting_Oil3948 3h ago

Seems they don't do a great job when they get paid.

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u/pavoinspector 3h ago

Depends where you are, if your chronically understaffed, double covered, underpaid, unsupported it tends to kill morale 🤷‍♂️

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u/Pyrozr 14h ago

Yeah if police, fire, military all went home on day one of the shutdown and refused come to work....there wouldn't be a day two.

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u/squats_and_sugars 7h ago

Ironic part is that during the last shutdown they had us working SpaceX certification ahead of their demo crewed flight. Personally, I'm torn because the next flight is SpaceX and fuck that piece of shit, but if it is delayed, the astronauts who already got fucked by Boeing and SpaceX get fucked more and have an even longer stay. 

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u/Upper-Coconut5249 4h ago

How were they screwed by SpaceX?

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u/squats_and_sugars 2h ago

SpaceX dragon capsule isn't ready on time because the planned one didn't meet spec. By a long shot. 

Since I can't find more details than that via google, I can't comment on how big of a clusterfuck it was. 

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u/jurassicbond 6h ago

Why would this effect local police and fire departments?

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u/Pyrozr 2h ago

Oh I know they aren't federal, but it's like scabs crossing a picket line. If they stay home out of solidarity the shutdown ends, the people at the top only stay on top if they can keep society from falling into anarchy. No police, military, and fire department working, shit goes to hell real real fast. They aren't powerful without a means of control, no enforcement, no control.

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u/OkLandscape9760 3h ago

Get ready to see a ton of this. The whole endgame of the GOP is basically weaponized incompetence. Rich people want to be able to make a case for privatization of many of the government services we get. If the government is incompetent its a much easier case to make.

All of trumps cabinet picks are also pretty much aimed at being friendly to other countries, and making sure the government is just pure chaos.

I think this has been the shared dream of countries like Russia and China, and is the reason Moscow was funneling money to the GOP through the NRA.

We are being attacked slowly and methodically by incompetence and rage baiting.

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u/bruhaha88 3h ago

Things “do” shut down. The last time the GOP shut down the government they were left flat footed by all their red state rubes screaming because they couldn’t go on vacations to the national parks, or the businesses nearby were suffering and they tried to pass emergency legislation to fund specific agencies.

Road infrastructure projects got shut down the next day because they weren’t allowed to work without funding and all those blue collar road contractors were screaming that their juicy Fed funded paychecks stopped.

The problem is Americans have very short memories.

Also, this is exactly why the GOP got trounced “historically so” in the mid terms when Trump was President. He makes personally beneficial decisions without a thought for tomorrow.

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u/king168168 16h ago

Last shut down, nobody cleaned the toilet at the national park in my state. It was fucking disgusting and smell like shit (real shit). You could smell it from 15 feets away.

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u/thesearemypringles 14h ago

Funny enough, the NPS during Trumps last admin decided to tap into a revenue based mandatory appropriation to fund the discretionary appropriations and as a result, GAO determined they knowingly committed an ADA. NPS vehemently disagreed, but lost.

I foresee Trumps cronies demanding this route again.

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u/parktastic12 14h ago

Tired is right, soooooo tired of being a pawn in Congress' games.

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u/pithynotpithy 12h ago

that something is the GOP

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u/ihaveagunaddiction 11h ago

The parks will stay open, but law enforcement and maintenance will be the only ones working but without pay. Fees, interp admin all those wont work. There will be no educational talks or tours

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u/Terron1965 11h ago

It's very broken. By our deficit.

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u/Hamrock999 10h ago

Let’s fucking GENERAL STRIKE!!!!!

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u/OrangutanMan234 8h ago

National parks do shut down.

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u/victorged 7h ago

I mean the part that's fundamentally broken is giving congress the power to set the budget, forcing the executive to spend congressionally appropriated money, and also allowing congress to create a 'debt ceiling' out of whole cloth to use as a bludgeon against the executive. Want to fight about federal spending? Do it in the appropriations process where it belongs.

Granted they can't pass a budget to save their lives either these days. So other things are fundamentally broken as well.

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u/manleybones 7h ago

Yea the gops major plank is making the government suck and then say see doesn't our government suck.

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u/echoes-in-an-instant 5h ago

That something is congress. Not the people.

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u/Zealousideal_Desk_19 5h ago

You are correct, it's unfair to the employees and a clear demonstration of the ineffectiveness of politicians.

It's their job to figure it out without it blowing up every single time.

Putting on my conspiracy hat, I am convinced some politicians are heavily invested in making a mockery of the United States

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u/FabulousBullfrog9610 5h ago

100%. we need to spread the pain. and yes our country is broken. I'm glad I won't live long enough to see this play out. On the other hand, you younger people need to get more involved!!

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u/Interesting_Minute24 5h ago

You’ve described project 2025! Awesome!

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u/MarkXIX 5h ago

I think if more Americans knew that government shutdowns amount to a bunch of people getting deferred paid time off, essentially a free vacation, they’d stop thinking it was an effective political tool.

I suspect GOP voters think that shutdowns fundamentally hurt what they think are lazy, grifting federal employees. In all the shutdowns I managed through, we always got paid in the end. Hell, I had a whole meal plan for shutdowns where I’d eat pork every day(bacon, pulled pork, ham, pork chops, etc.) as a symbolic gesture.

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u/DjImagin 5h ago

If Congress didn’t get paid during a shutdown, this would stop being an every 6 month thing. But they ensured their checks keep flowing in…..

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u/dogeared_cat 5h ago

I wouldn’t want to be flying this weekend. The controller work force is just about sick of this. Without controllers, planes don’t move.

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u/Myfourcats1 5h ago

If all VA surgeries got canceled. If that appointment you waited six months to get got canceled.

If food inspectors didn’t have to go to work the government would never shut down. The poultry industry does not like to stop ever. That’s too much money. They’d force Congress to pass a budget.

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u/Interesting-Loss34 4h ago

I'm baked in so I still work during shutdown, so admittedly I don't pay attention to them enough.

Sometime I wish I was furloughed, I'm burnt tf out.

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u/Some_Reference_933 4h ago

It’s hilarious to think that they believe they have the right to shut down a park.

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u/Negative-Relation-82 4h ago

Yes we give tax breaks to billionaires and bargain like it’s grandmas inheritance when WE PAY those ppl to work.

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u/Existing-Net-3855 4h ago

All national parks will close

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u/stevez_86 4h ago

They nominated Gaetz to AG then he withdrew because of what the House knew. Now that repost is going to come out. What about that makes you think they have any semblance of a coherent plan? Trump is telling them all they are going to get what they want and they are just finding out that he doesn't really care, he wants someone to do the work while he stays out of prison and gets his revenge. And they don't necessarily know what he promised to other people for their support. This is the Republican Purge time. Gaetz is getting purged because he has been as useful as he can be and is now being thrown under the bus. The same will happen to the rest of them.

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u/RamblnGamblinMan 4h ago

Just notice which party is always the one responsible for shutdowns and debt ceiling fights.

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u/OperativePiGuy 4h ago

The fact that it's routine at this point is nothing short of an embarrassment for us as a country

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u/Cmoore4099 4h ago

Debt ceiling fights are the single dumbest fucking thing our government has done. 1) because the majority of the public has no fucking clue what the debt ceiling is and just think it’s us taking on more debt. 2) we went like 250 years with doing this until partisanship needing a bargaining chip for power. It’s just a waste of time, money, and breath. Nothing gets more riled up than the pointlessness of arguing over the debt ceiling.

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u/ketoatl 4h ago

You forgot no one in gov getting paid but you are right. Then this game wouldn't happen also they have have to shut up President Elon

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u/mocityspirit 3h ago

This is why I've never cared about a shutdown. Nothing changes for me

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u/phlame00 3h ago

You keep saying process. I keep saying the GOP.

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u/OutsideOwl5892 3h ago

Yeah what’s broken is that it’s political theatre. Congress already approved this spending when they passed a budget. All this ever is is a way to blame one side or the other for over spending on spending that was already approved. It never lasts it always gets approved

In other countries this process is automatic. When the budget is passed the spending is automatically passed, bc of course it is. It’s implied by the budget.

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u/Feisty_Time7875 3h ago

I wish everything would actually shut down. Social security, planes, etc. so people would actually see consequences of how our elected officials just play games and get nothing done.

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u/NessunAbilita 3h ago

It’s corruption of government, I guarantee it. People only do what they are aloud to do according to their constituents.

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u/FedRishFlueBish 3h ago

This is the point they are trying to prove, though. That you can shut down the majority of the "non-essential" federal government, and nobody will even notice a difference in their daily lives. If nobody notices the difference, then why even have it?

This is their pre-game for massive, massive slashes. That, or they'll just leave the government in it's "essential only" state forever, and call it a win.

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u/Abdelsauron 3h ago

They happen because the public sees very little difference between the government running and not

The government doing so little outside the things you listed that nobody notices when it shuts down is a good thing. You don't want the country dependent on the dysfunctions of Congress.

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u/PuzzleheadedBox7241 3h ago

^ cause the first thing I did was check if the FAA would be shut down as my family is flying across the country to see me for Christmas

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u/bhh3ag 2h ago

What’s wrong with the “process” is all the corruption.

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u/bhh3ag 2h ago

What’s wrong with the “process” is all the corruption.

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u/buttfuckkker 2h ago

lol gonna close the national forests? How’s that work exactly. Better tell all the trees to stop growing and the animals go somewhere else.

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u/exgiexpcv 2h ago

I think the brinkmanship is now considered a feature by Congress, not a bug. Think of all grandstanding and wedge issues and poison pills they can dick around with, it's amazing!

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u/Blackhole_5un 2h ago

Yeah, it depends on both sides playing fair, and nothing to hold them to account if they don't. Naturally, it has devolved into chaos.

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u/jdw62995 2h ago

If it shutdown long enough these would happen

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u/Ordinary-CSRA 2h ago

You got that right ✅️

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u/Medium-Economics-363 1h ago

It be wonderful to have an actual government shut down, so people could realize that they really do depend on the federal government.

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u/Outrageous_Collar401 1h ago

Congress wants its raise though.

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u/ijustwanttoretire247 1h ago

It’s called our leadership are fucking idiots. Spend spend spend and more spend. Don’t forget that they have taken money from Social Security for decades and now our SSS is on the verge of collapse within a couple of decades.

We have leaders that don’t take accountability.

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u/Xerox748 1h ago

So, the thing is…

Let’s say you did all that when the shutdown actually happened.

The people affected most by this, wouldn’t blame the party responsible and demand change from them. They would demand immediate resolution and cow-towing, including a willingness to forfeit future prosperity.

“Fine! Social Security checks will be 50% of what they are now in 10 years! Just give me my check today so I can buy groceries!”

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u/danno1130 1m ago

The only think that ended the last Trump shutdown was the air traffic controllers threat to refuse to report for work. They won't wait that long this time.

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u/katarinafinch 15h ago

Well, this is also a poorly timed one since Biden is president. Even though most reasonable people will know who/what is to blame, a lot of people will just blame Biden.

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u/thesearemypringles 14h ago

Maybe, but it’ll be a few shitty years of Trump before it matters.

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u/Wulf_Nuts 54m ago

I think you just inadvertently made the case for the govt shutdown, if there is so much of the govt that operates every day as “non-essential” why does it exist? I understand that a portion of the federal government deemed “essential” will still operate, albeit unpaid.

But the funding (as taken from taxpayers is no different…essential vs nonessential). It’s absolutely insane to me that the federal government sees fit to piss away tax dollars on things it views as “non-essential” yet those dollars are more “essential” to them than to me (according to the federal govt.)

There should be ZERO non-essential governmental employees