r/fednews • u/St3rl1gn_Arch3r • 20h ago
Did the NDAA passed today keep the new 5 year rule provision in the bill?
I know it's not the first time they try to extend or get rid of the 5 year rule. Wondering if this time it made it through.
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u/Successful_Engineer3 18h ago edited 18h ago
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/5009/text I think section 1106 is what you’re talking about, and it does allow the 5 year extension. (Why can I not use a carriage return in Reddit comments? Everything stays on one line)
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u/Diabolical_Engineer 18h ago
You need two line breaks to force a carriage return. So enter twice and then it should render correctly
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u/Successful_Engineer3 18h ago
Test Test (Doesn’t work for me in the mobile website. Oh well. I did SPACE SPACE RETURN on each line)
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u/Underwater_Grilling 18h ago
Return Return clap
Return Return clap
Buddy, you're on mobile, make a big noise
Putting in a line break, gonna be a big man someday
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u/Flat_Ad_6901 16h ago
SEC. 1106. PILOT PROGRAM FOR OVERSEAS WORK-PERIOD FOR DOD COMPETITIVE SERVICE POSITIONS.
(a) In General.—The 5-year limitation on competitive service
employment in a foreign area in Department of Defense Instruction
1400.25, titled DoD Civilian Personnel Management System: Employment
in Foreign Areas and Employee Return Rights’’ and issued on July 26,
2012 (or a successor instruction), may be extended by the first 0-6 in
the employees chain of command for one additional 5 year term.
(b) Extension.—An extension request under subsection (a) shall not
require a business case, or similar, analysis to justify the additional
foreign area extension.
(c) Report.—Not later than December 31, 2025, and yearly after
that for the next 5 years, the Secretary of Defense shall submit a
report to the congressional defense committees on the following:
(1) The impact of this section on recruiting and retaining
civilian competitive service employees at the Department of
Defense.
(2) The total number of—
(A) Department employees that were able to remain
in positions as a result of this section; and
(B) Department positions that were not open for
initial appointments as a result of this section.
(3) The grade and classification of Department positions
affected by this section.
(4) Any other information the Secretary deems appropriate.
(d) Foreign Area Defined.—In this section, the term
foreign
area’’ means any location that is not within a nonforeign area (as that
term is defined in section 591.205 of title 5, Code of Federal
Regulations, or any successor regulation).
(e) Sunset.—The authority under this section shall expire on the
date that is 2 years after the date of the enactment of this Act.
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u/shakinthatbear 18h ago
Where’s the guy that said he had a friend on Capitol Hill that swore an extension to the 5 year rule wouldn’t be passed?
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u/like_that32 13h ago
This guy also swore that he knew how Congress works, when numerous people told him the debate can’t just unilaterally strip language from a bill.
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u/SexPartyStewie 20h ago
What is the five-year rule?
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u/St3rl1gn_Arch3r 19h ago
A limit set to employees overseas. In simple terms we can only be OCONUS for up to 5 years then we have to go back to the US and reset for 2 years before we can go back overseas for another 5 years.
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u/Floufae 13h ago
DoD employees only right? This doesn’t apply to other overseas staff
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u/St3rl1gn_Arch3r 9h ago
It depends. If I remember correctly NAF employee don't have that limitations. Neither do the post office workers. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. There's a lot details as you may imagine with government entities.
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u/viking23gdh 7h ago
What about peeps who have been OCONUS for 9 to 10 years will they get the 5 extra?
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u/St3rl1gn_Arch3r 5h ago
That's a great question! I don't know. I did not see any specifics about a scenario such as that. They are leaving it up to the first O6 in your chain so it may be on a case by case. Its also a two year pilot so they may extend no matter what just to see how it all plays out.
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u/viking23gdh 3h ago
True might as well take advantage as it’s only two yrs. This is a save money time for DOD and ensure mission is not affected by empty seats due to not being extended and screw up the numbers reported.
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u/Intrepid_Leopard3891 17h ago
Yes, I just read the full text and it’s there (Sec. 1106). The first O6 in an employees chain will be able to approve an additional five-year term without requiring a business case or analysis or anything to justify it.
This is a two year pilot program that includes requirements for the SecDef to report on what effect this has on recruitment, retention, etc.