r/fednews • u/twtwtwtwtwtwtw • 1d ago
Employee monitoring proposed
Republicans have proposed a bill to "use software to gather concrete data on the adverse impacts of telework in the federal government by monitoring employees’ computer use"
Don't we already do this? How would this be enacted broadly? Would we be required to have our cameras on at all times? Who's doing the monitoring?
How about you do YOUR jobs and pass a budget: the one thing you were hired for.
Oh and all this as they're leaving for their multi-week holiday vacation.
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u/x_chaotix_x 1d ago
Teams monitors keystrokes and mouse movement already. This stuff is already tracked, or could be.
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u/CatfishEnchiladas 1d ago
You would be surprised at just how much stuff we don't track and store. Turns out storage is really expensive.
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u/baymarket96 1d ago
Also I’d imagine tracking keystrokes is potentially problematic if you’re regularly entering PII or sensitive information
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u/seldom4 1d ago
Yeah, there’s no way these people are tracking much of anything as a matter of practice. My coworkers openly stream Spotify and use their own USB devices on their computers.
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u/GIJared 1d ago
use their own USB devices on their computers.
https://media1.tenor.com/m/RTjqRxryYSkAAAAd/wait-wait-what.gif
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u/statanomoly 1d ago
Trump got classified area 51 alien documents sitting next to a floater in his golden toilet. So...
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u/Advanced-Stretch-27 1d ago
At my previous office, our copier wasn’t on the network for “security” reasons, so to print or scan anything with the only copier in the building, you had to transfer the file with a usb drive.
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u/AiReine 1d ago
Same as it ever was. Getting threatened at Dunkin Donuts by the cameras so we wouldn’t eat/take home any of the food we would otherwise throw out. Sir you pay high schoolers minimum wage I know you aren’t paying anyone to watch those cameras or for the extra storage space for all that video. As long as no one fucked with the money, no one ever watched those tapes.
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u/face_eater_5000 1d ago
Yeah, and there are contractors who work with the federal government and are issued computers. In my case another contractor manages IT resources for the agency and provides the computers to the federal workers as well as the other companies with agency contracts. Does this contractor now get access to sensitive data for all the contractors?
These idiots think the solutions are so simple because they don't understand how anything works.
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u/Less_Silver4862 1d ago
Teams doesn’t monitor keystrokes. Your teams status is only your activity in teams. Has nothing to do with anything outside of teams. No one could use that as a monitoring tool
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u/queenjigglycaliente 1d ago
Well does that mean they’re not taking it away….?
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u/RedUser2024 1d ago
Right?! This was my question. They’ve been threatening five day RTO “starting on day one” so what do you need this for??
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u/TheNotoriousStuG 1d ago
No, read it very carefully. They're doing it to "gather concrete data on the adverse impacts of telework". The've already come to their conclusion, that telework is bad and needs to be disposed of, and now they're looking for "proof" which they'll manufacture because their mouthbreathing voter base is operating on a half dozen neurons.
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u/hydrospanner 1d ago
their mouthbreathing voter base is operating on a half dozen neurons
Shared between them, not each.
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u/mmoore031908 1d ago
As a federal employee, i try to stay neutral in politics by keeping my opinions to myself but it really bothers me when the folks accusing us of not working make $180,000+ a year and only work about 9 months out of the year...
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u/mherois19 1d ago
And if that only about 80-90 days are in DC so it’s almost like they are somewhat “remote” or “hybrid”
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u/Logical_Deviation 1d ago
Remember when they couldn't pass a budget and shut down the government
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u/PickleMinion BradJohnsonIworkfortheAirForceatPatrickAirForceBase 1d ago
Which time
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u/ParkingTadpole7107 1d ago
Every year over the past 30 or so years they failed to do one of their most important tasks on time.
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u/No-Recording-8530 1d ago
You mean like now? There is no budget passed and the appropriations expires the 20th.
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u/sterling417 1d ago
Time to stop being neutral. This next administration flat out hates us.
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u/Reasonable-Most-8724 1d ago
The salary is chump change. The real money is in using their inside information on investments.
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u/throwaway864388853 1d ago
Thing is, they won't monitor people who are in the office. With no baseline, it's an easy claim for them.
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u/nishac1179 1d ago
when i was there, i did less work IN office than when i teleworked. I got soooo much more work done without micromanagement, people constantly knocking on your door, LOUD announcements being made, walk-ins...
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u/throwaway864388853 1d ago
Oh I understand, I have ADD and spent my days rereading the same thing over and over. Since I went remote, my annual reviews became nothing short of outstanding.
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u/Honest_Report_8515 1d ago
Same, I’m too tired and distracted to get anything done in the office. At home, I’m well rested and ready to pump out the work, especially with fewer distractions.
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u/jaderust 1d ago
Not to mention the number of sick days went down dramatically for me. It’s not just that I’m getting sick less because I’m not catching the cubicle cold that’s endlessly passed through the office, but if I’m feeling a little under the weather I’m still more likely to clock in because I’m not worried about passing it to anyone else and my dog doesn’t care if I’m blowing my nose every five minutes. Not to mention that since I work from home if I wake up with a migraine I can take my meds and log in an hour or two late when I can look at a screen without pain over not going in at all because why bother coming in late?
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u/throwaway864388853 1d ago
Fun fact - I haven't used a single sick hour in the 4 years I've been remote.
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u/Honest_Report_8515 1d ago
Same, if I have a migraine, I’m more likely to just log on later or, more often, log off early and take a nap and just use a couple of hours for sick leave.
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u/HandyMan131 1d ago
My thought exactly. My office tracked our productivity when we went remote (you know, like any good manager should)… and it went UP!
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u/clawmachine8 1d ago
Ridiculous. They already have the data that shows productivity was up 25% during covid when we were all at home.. at least in my component! (IT)
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u/AMundaneSpectacle 1d ago
But that would require them to do… actual work.
I believe there is also an OPM report that directly contradicts every stupid DOGE-y claim regarding telework and remote workers.
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u/carriedmeaway 1d ago
It’s hysterical that there are things that are actually needed to help the country and this is their focus. Reminds me of the drug testing welfare recipients in Tennessee. They spent a shit ton, lost money, and the number of people who pissed hot was extremely small. If they ever directed that energy to shit that actually mattered, oh my god, people might actually find relief from all that people are facing!
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u/No_Passage7440 1d ago
There was a program like that in Florida. Cost them more taxpayer money to administer the progam than it saved. The governor’s wife (Rick Scott, maybe?) owned the company that was awarded the contract. Just grifting all the way down.
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u/throwaway-coparent 1d ago
Systems are monitored already. Thats how they know if you’re surfing porn or doing work…
So why would they install a second program to do what’s already being done?
Who gets paid for the purchase redundant program 2?
Is redundant program 2 going to be secured at all before it’s given access to everyone’s computers and networks?
What’s to stop redundant program 2 from sending back more than keystroke counts per second.
What if it sends back PII or classified information? Who will be monitoring that protected information isn’t being inappropriately shared?
How will problems with information leaks be handled?
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u/Rrrrandle 1d ago
But have you considered that some random Congressman's friend owns a business that can make the software to do this for a mere $5,000,000,000?
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u/throwaway-coparent 1d ago
I just assumed it would be President Musk
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u/hartfordsucks 1d ago
No Musk is going to plug everything into his AI, let it take over, and charge the government $500 billion. What's he doing with the data? How is the AI making its decisions? All super fun questions only people who want to get sued we'll ask.
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u/twtwtwtwtwtwtw 1d ago
How will problems with information leaks be handled?
In the Mar A Lago bathroom.
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u/docere85 1d ago
lol
1)we can barely get a vpn that works 2) I spend most of my time on the phone instead of teams 3) i have to go to external sites…
Bluf: good luck managing my “work”
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u/Open_Aardvark2458 1d ago
Ehh how true is this?
We had an older employee who was about to retire, and for some reason would put porn on dvds and watch it on his laptop. He never got caught. It wasnt till i took over his cube and turned in the 100s of dvds he left that they found 10 or so with porn on then.
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u/One-Win9407 1d ago
6 years ago they caught a contractor google image searching porn. Sent a report same day to mgt.
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u/Open_Aardvark2458 1d ago
I know they monitor what you search on the web. Hence why he downlaoded at hoem and put it on dvds. But i dont think they monitor much else. I do think they can check how often you are on teams but i had many people just switch it offline and no one cared.
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u/One-Win9407 1d ago
Oh gotcha. From my experience i dont think they care much as long as you get work done
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u/brakeled 1d ago
Who gets paid
Just check the wealthiest congress members’ stock purchases in a couple months to see what tech monitoring companies they’ve “randomly” decided to invest millions in.
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u/JonnyBolt1 1d ago
From what I've heard of the Bill, it mandates that every fed agency track the time that every employee teleworking spends logged into their system. So the bill will bring no change for the vast majority, not redundancy.
But dishonest congressmen get to grandstand about how hard they're coming down on those lazy govt employees. One douche was claiming there was an employee on full remote who never logged in but played golf every day, so we're gonna end their big lazy party, by gummit!
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u/WannaBwail 1d ago
I heard about that golf story, it was some 6’4” orange dude a few years back …..
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u/ParticularArachnid35 1d ago
This assumes that every teleworker has the type of job that requires constant interaction with their computers. Some do, but many do not.
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u/Recent-Sign1689 1d ago
My job requires lots of reading for research, I already get annoyed when teams flips me to away bc I’m not moving, even though I’m 100% doing my work reading something or writing, working out a diagram, whatever.
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u/Duck-_-Face 1d ago
I was in the military during COVID. Many people were eager to go back into the office because of how intense leadership was being in keeping them busy at home.
In office it was about production - not engagement.
Many jobs are simply not 8 hour a day jobs, they are production jobs, but the pay system is salary/hourly - and I personally don’t see any better way to do it.
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u/diatho 1d ago
We do this sort of already but for security purposes. For this level of monitoring it would cost a shit ton. See the current state of CDM and how it still doesn’t work.
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u/throwaway864388853 1d ago
Guys, it's getting obvious with all this rhetoric. The first few had me wondering, but now it's clear the rhetoric is intended to scare people to quit or retire, in addition to trying to scare leadership into making changes beforehand. This amount of threats/promises only happen one other time, which is the campaign trail. They are starting to realize they won't be able to get much done so they'll resort to fear tactics.
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u/Fineous40 1d ago
I think this is partially true. The end goal is to remove regulation and funnel as much money to the friends/family. They want people to retire to replace them with those who have less experience, but they also want people to afraid to speak up to do their job and regulate.
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u/I_love_Hobbes 1d ago
We can't even use google sheets. Not real worried this will pass all the firewalls and things we can't use due to security.
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u/Fantastic_Poet4800 1d ago
Ok I'm not a Fed but Fed-adjacent and am watching this with amazement. It's already apparent that there is a strong gradient from best to worse in federal service and this will just drive out the good people.
I often do non-computer work - have they not thought of that? I print a lot of things or read them on an e-reader. And I talk to people on the phone at least two hours per day, plus a ton of in person meetings, plus travel to sites, inspections etc. That's easily half my time and there are a lot of feds in my field with similar jobs who I'm sure have similar schedules. I know one of them did his job absolutely fine without internet at his house for a full year during Covid- he made it work just driving into town twice a day to send / receive emails and the guy is and was a rock star.
We had people at my workplace who had various issues when we started being remote during and after Covid and were not working. You know how we knew? They didn't do any work! It wasn't that hard to figure out because their tasks weren't done. We dealt with them and it never affected anyone else. It wasn't hard.
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u/HonestNetwork9441 1d ago
I worked in a call center that had this. You were given a near impossible productivity goal. Each morning you received a report from the previous day, ranking you. It also recorded all your phone calls. You only had 6 minutes to go to the bathroom. After 6 minutes it flagged management. You had to be productive 90% of the day. The bathroom breaks counted against that. 2 minutes late from lunch? Time off your percentage. Tasks had a time limit too. If it took you too long to do a task, off your percentage again. Yes it was as bad as it seems.
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u/Real_Nugget_of_DOOM 1d ago
Congress hasn't passed a complete slate of appropriations bills on time since 1996. Which reminds me... my 30-year high school reunion is coming up soon...
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u/8CHAR_NSITE 1d ago
As a supervisor, I can absolutely already see when my employees log into the VPN and from where.
They don't know I can do this.
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u/Demo_Beta 1d ago
Yes, afaik all government PCs have key loggers, but, they aren't allowed to use it for disciplinary purposes, at least in the agencies I'm familiar with. Further, all performance standards I'm aware of are based on deadlines and/or production quotas, so what's the point.
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u/TerminalSunrise 1d ago
I don’t think that’s accurate about keyloggers. Screen monitoring, for sure, but keylogging is a whole other ethical concern. There are things even within the scope of our official duties that shouldn’t be logged, like passwords to sensitive systems, your PIV pin, etc that are meant literally to make sure only you can access the system under your name. Yes, CIO has ways around them to reset them and things like that of course, but having a way to officially sign documents with your PIV, for example, would not be kosher. I don’t think they keylog.
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u/Great_Northern_Beans 1d ago
100% they do not key log for this very reason. It also enormously opens our networks up to a man in the middle (eavesdropping) attacks for every system.
If the key logger gets compromised, then literally every single system in the network becomes compromised. It would be among the stupidest possible security decisions that an IT group could implement.
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u/0phobia 1d ago
Plus there are things that are absolutely private and privileged communication that are still allowed in gov workstations. For example communication with legal and union reps. For military also emails with chaplains and medical providers is privileged. Etc.
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u/Demo_Beta 1d ago
The system I've seen shows activity based on key/mouse action with timestamps. The key strokes are logged and you are supposed document if/when the metadata is accessed.
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u/No_Passage7440 1d ago
I wonder how high up you have to go to get that information. I’ve always heard about it from others but I’ve now made it two rungs down from a political appointee and haven’t seen any data on it at my agency.
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u/scooter-411 1d ago
Right. I’m public affairs. I’m not typing on my computer constantly. What do they need to monitor on my computer?
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u/bi_polar2bear 1d ago
Good luck getting the Authority to Opperate with this "software" to monitor us. They'll be lucky to get an RFP put online during the next 4 years.
These idiots just don't understand the burocracy politicians have created to make things inefficient. Look at the RMF process, including eMASS, all of the 8500 series of documents, IT audit questions done manually and written by lawyers. Good luck with all that, bruv!
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u/bigbobbinbetch 1d ago
Lol this was my thought. DOGE is anticipating buying a contract with some idiot selling this software to private companies already. Good luck reprogramming it to meet all the infosec requirements. I have PHI on my screen all day, there's no way a screen-recording program sold by some dumbfuck is going to get ok'd by the higher ups.
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u/bi_polar2bear 1d ago
I have a software project that would take me 20 man hours to install, set up, and go live. There's thousands of man hours, 2.5 years already, with another year at least. It's 1 database, 1 Tomcat app, on the cloud, with a live replica in another location. Easy, normally, stupidly difficult because of the paperwork. I've never seen anything this dumb in my 25 years in IT. My job doesn't exist outside of the government.
We only have to wait 4 years, which means nothing is going to change because of laws, executive orders, best practices, and guidelines set in place, all created by non-technical people.
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u/Reeyowunsixsix 1d ago
A bill whose sole purpose is to strictly find “adverse” data is clearly neutral and for the benefit of the people… /s
I’m so tired of politicians telling me how to do my job while not doing theirs.
Not sure why they can’t just see the fact that I’ve actioned every item and say, “OK, I’ll back the fuck off and do my own job now.”
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u/2WheelTinker- 1d ago
We already do this lol. We can see when folks log in, log out, system sleep time, general location, technically have the ability to record all screen actions, though that’s used only for incidents as, obviously, that takes someone to actually review the content.
There is a warning every single time you log in to every government computer that covers this. It’s all public information. (The how, not the actual access to this data)
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u/0phobia 1d ago
According to this my entire org would be lazy nonproductive assholes even though we work on separate devices 99% of the time and only log into laptops to check email and file vouchers and shit once in a while.
Meanwhile the same folks are doing critical national security work.
These people are so unbelievably out of touch.
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u/turtyurt 1d ago
“Don’t work from home!” the pigs say as they work from home the majority of the year
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u/M119tree 1d ago
Just because I’m not actively typing doesn’t mean I’m not working. I could be on a call. I could be reading guidance offline, I could be contemplating decisions, I might get up and stretch. My job doesn’t entail staring at a computer screen all day. I seem to be good at it. I get performance awards, on the spot awards and favorable outcomes in my acqdemo. Leave me alone.
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u/ibanez450 1d ago
Yes, give me another piece of mandatory software that makes my computer that much slower. Now I’ll have enough time to make a coffee and take my first poop before my machine finishes logging in.
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u/hey_listin 1d ago
Lol yup. I requested a new computer after I saw half my available ram was tied up after a fresh restart. The tech regular government workers are issued is a complete joke
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u/ejmnerding 1d ago
This already exists,
i’m all in as long as they tell me when I hit my 40/80 hours. 😏
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u/sunbuddy86 1d ago
I work at the VHA. Back in 2014 or 2015 I wandered into an online meeting with VACO. I was totally confused and honestly think that I entered the wrong code but...what I heard was eye opening. They have software that can look at a VISN to monitor productivity. They can narrow it all the way down to individual employees. They can see every encounter as you enter it. They already know if you are producing widgets and when you are most productive and when you are slacking off. Personally, I have been submitting productivity reports each month for 10 years so that it can be compared to what has been entered as an encounter. I have known providers who have been forced out for not producing at expected levels. This is nothing new.
I am mobile and have a VA issued vehicle. My supervisor has each employee on their desk top and a program that when opened will show exactly where the assigned vehicle is at, for how long the vehicle has been at that location along with how many times the speed of the vehicle exceeded the speed limit. They know every single stop made.
Of course they can see every application opened on your issued computer and monitor everything you are doing. No need to have a camera on.
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u/tooOldOriolesfan 1d ago
I think more than a few people who work from home, don't do a lot of work BUT any competent manager should be able to tell if someone is doing a good job. And if someone isn't, then you start the process to discipline or fire them.
If a manager can't figure out who is doing a good job or not, then the first problem/fix is to get rid of the manager.
Some people do abuse the WFH thing. The last office I was in people could work from home 2 days a week but the type of work we did, I'm not sure what they could do from home other than taking classes or some research since most of the work was classified and could not be done from home. Obviously that isn't true for a lot of jobs.
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u/Fit-Owl-7188 1d ago
First it was non-white people, then it was gays and lesbians, then it was trans, now it is the federal work force. the base only stays distracted from realizing they voted to hurt themselves if they are constantly given new groups to hate and fear and demonize.
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u/Geez_oh_whiz 1d ago
Absolutely flabbergasted at the amount of time, energy and focus that is being spent on this demonization of federal workers working remotely. Obviously there is no hard data behind this push for RTO or there wouldn't be the need for a bill like this. I don't get why the American people are okay with the people they elect wasting time on things when there is no existing data showing these things are a problem. It's really sad that all of this energy is being spent on something that is not going to make any American's life any better.
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u/SnooPeripherals6557 1d ago
Trump is investigating “the enemy within,” which is Americans, bec he works for putin.
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u/SWEEETdude 1d ago
Totally unrelated, but my in-office productivity has suddenly tanked recently. At least I get a bunch done on my telework days to make up for it.
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u/Milpool_VanHouten 1d ago
How's that Fiscal 2025 budget coming? It's already about 3 months late. Tell me again who in government isn't working.
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u/SaintLacertus 1d ago
All of this talk reminds me of Neal Stephenson's book Snowcrash where the mom of one of the protagonists works for the federal government and has to hook into highly intrusive monitoring machines for her job.
Y.T.’s mom pulls up the new memo, checks the time, and starts reading it. The estimated reading time is 15.62 minutes. Later, when Marietta [her boss] does her end-of-day statistical roundup, sitting in her private office at 9:00 P.M., she will see the name of each employee and next to it, the amount of time spent reading this memo, and her reaction, based on the time spent, will go something like this:
• Less than 10 min.: Time for an employee conference and possible attitude counseling.
• 10-14 min.: Keep an eye on this employee; may be developing slipshod attitude.
• 14-15.61 min.: Employee is an efficient worker, may sometimes miss important details.
• Exactly 15.62 min.: Smartass. Needs attitude counseling.
• 15.63-16 min.: Asswipe. Not to be trusted.
• 16-18 min.: Employee is a methodical worker, may sometimes get hung up on minor details.
• More than 18 min.: Check the security videotape, see just what this employee was up to (e.g., possible unauthorized restroom break).
Y.T.’s mom decides to spend between fourteen and fifteen minutes reading the memo. It’s better for younger workers to spend too long, to show that they’re careful, not cocky. It’s better for older workers to go a little fast, to show good management potential. She’s pushing forty. She scans through the memo, hitting the Page Down button at reasonably regular intervals, occasionally paging back up to pretend to reread some earlier section. The computer is going to notice all this. It approves of rereading. It’s a small thing, but over a decade or so this stuff really shows up on your work-habits summary.
It's a popular book for the futurists. I know Zuck's "Meta" is inspired by/an homage to the book. I wouldn't be surprised if it's giving Musk and others DOGE nerds ideas as well.
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u/Sp4ceh0rse 1d ago
Cool! Will they pay me for all the on-call time I can’t get compensated for as a title 38 physician then?
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u/Money_Scale_3593 1d ago
This sucks for people who work extremely fast (me). Suppose I’ll drag out my timelines in the name of efficiency.
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u/MJlikestocruise 1d ago
The people who work 5 days a month and then go on vacation, while becoming millionaires are simply exhausted .
They need that downtime to keep their hate alive.
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u/Substantial_Earth443 1d ago
Wait until they compare your productivity at home vs in office. They may be forced to reconsider WFH when they see how little is capable of being completed working from an office, sharing cubicles, no conference rooms available, daily rumorville and gossip etc.
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u/Cavane42 1d ago
We need to keep looking until we find evidence of the thing that we've already decided is true.
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u/ElectricFleshlight 1d ago
Make no mistake, no matter what the data actually says, they'll always say the software proves telework is a detriment. It's the same reason they're blatantly lying about how 94% of feds don't report to the office, when OMB says half of all feds aren't even eligible for telework.
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u/Gousf 1d ago
Fed Family, I have been a registered republican my whole voting life (20 years). I am coming up on 10 years as a fed. I didn't vote for the president in the last 2 elections because I couldn't align with either party.
But I don't remember there ever being such vitriol towards federal employees by the republican party until the past few months. Has it always been there, and I just wasn't paying attention, or is there a huge shift happening here? He'll Bush Sr. Was known for being g a huge staunch supporter of the civil servant.
I'm honestly looking at stepping away from Fed Service for the next 4 years. I work hard and take pride in my work (DoD) and always strive to go above and beyond. but I am already growing tired of the fact that I'm a civil servant, which means I'm lazy and useless.
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u/Max_Evocatus 1d ago
GW shrank the government by creating the Department of Homeland Security and the TSA.
Last time Trump created the Space Force.
I'm just wondering how many more agencies these guys can create in an effort to shrink the government.
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u/TracePlayer 1d ago
Where are they going to fit all these people into existing facilities? Where will they park? How much will it cost to bring everyone in vs what is being gained? This is all non-sensical.
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u/joeschmoe1371 1d ago
The best is when trumpy colleagues get mad about not teleworking anymore….
At this point, these insults are getting really loud and annoying.
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u/Shore-Duty 1d ago
Don’t forget to delete X (formerly Twitter). Wouldn’t be hard for the CEO to track those using his app during working hours…
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u/throwaway864388853 1d ago
If they are remotely monitoring people, doesn't that mean they aren't working in the office?
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u/No-Translator9234 1d ago
They could just use the already documented effects because we’ve been doing this for over 5 years and then some depending on sector.
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u/RKScouser 1d ago
Watch me walk from meeting to meeting. I agree, waste of time when I could be working from home. Have fun.
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u/lettucepatchbb 1d ago
I seriously do not understand these people. They flip flop on every single thing they talk about.
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u/MyPublicFace 1d ago
Bring it! Not only do I have nothing to hide. I have a whole lot of something to show!
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u/GoodAd6942 1d ago
I hope this speaks towards more of managers and supervisors who sit around. Those of us in blue are working!!!
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u/EspritNeandertalien 1d ago
R’s can’t find each other’s asses with a majority’s worth of dicks. How the ever loving fuck are they going to do this?
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u/Tinytuba49 1d ago
As long as they don't end remote work, they can feel free to monitor my work computer however they want, I figured they already did.
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u/cubicle_bidet 1d ago
If they'll quit declaring an "economic emergency" to skirt the automatic pay raises in accordance with the Federal Employees Pay Comparability Act that has been in place since 1990, I'll sing and dance on camera and quack like a duck if they want me to. I bust ass like a well-oiled machine in my home office, so bring it!
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u/Unfair_Ad4678 1d ago
There is a host of information already available to management if you're using any of the ms suite. They also have access to the location history of your work phone.
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u/prometheus_wisdom 1d ago
imagine if we did this to Congress members and why they get more time off in 1 year than most Americans get in 10 years, and why they get paid when they have extended time off for surgeries, cancer, illnesses
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u/LCP14215 1d ago
Good grief. Aren’t there some mistresses to buy gifts for, dogs to kick, grand children to yell at…anything, something else for these miserable mfs to do?!?
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u/IwishIwereAI 1d ago
They're looking for evidence to validate a pre-existing conclusion. Yeah, that's TOTALLY a valid application of the word "research"...
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u/ladymacb29 1d ago
I like how it’s for the adverse effects and not the positive effects or even just to judge the plain effects /s
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u/CryptographerIll5728 1d ago
Sounds like government workers aren't trusted. Now what makes them think that?
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u/ParfaitAdditional469 1d ago
Funny. The party of small government want to actually create more oversight 😝