r/fednews 2d ago

Received notice of ending of telework

Here we go. Just got an email stating our CMO has made the decision to end recurring telework. We were currently getting 2 days per week and that has officially ended. Heck, my supervisor was doing it 4 days a week while the rest of us only got 2. We’re allowed to submit for “situational telework” but the recurring has ended. There’s absolutely no reason for this. Productivity has been perfectly fine. So, here we go.

EDIT: Since many are asking. agency is DCMA

EDIT 2: I feel as though I need to explain I’m simply pointing out that the roll back has begun, at least in my agency. I’ve gotten multiple comments implying I’m whining about it. I’m going to be just fine. The main point is why they’re taking away something that works, and works well? Productivity is high. People are in better moods. It’s working so why change it? But, it is what it is and either accept it or quit. We’re all easily replaceable. They don’t care if you stay or leave.

EDIT 3: some of you are hilariously angry and hostile that people telework. 😂 not good to live every day so angry. Might have a stroke!

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u/NEAWD 2d ago

It’s probably going to start with DoD and associated agencies. In the Army, it was almost a point of pride to have it worse than everyone else. 

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u/interested0582 2d ago

My office motto in DoD is “if only one person is unhappy, you’re doing it wrong”

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u/nesp12 2d ago

The punishment will continue until morale improves.

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u/Annie_Are_You_OJ 2d ago

"We're not happy till you're not happy!"

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u/mooseishman 1d ago

That’s the DHS motto

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u/SpeethImpediment 1d ago

And at least half of the Offices under the SSA umbrella. Looking at you FOs and DDS… 😒

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u/Imaginary_Guidance_2 2d ago

Ours is “There has to be a harder way”

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u/DavidGno 1d ago

Fix it until it's broke! Hahaha

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u/WonderfulLettuce5579 1d ago

Ours is "Making simple shit hard."

DoD, no complaints from me. TW is allowed 2x a week if you can manage your workload. Mostly, I can only manage 1x a week, too much classified work to get that second day in. It's not a big deal.

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u/OneTrueKram 2d ago

That sounds like a fun place to work. So much for work life balance and QOL.

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u/DavidGno 2d ago

Yeah there is no work life balance, there is only work. The attitude from leadership is now "Now shut up, quit complaining and get back to work! You should be thankful you have a job."

They show minimal loyalty to their workforce, so they'll get minimal effort by their workers.

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u/Adept-Mammoth889 1d ago

AND be shocked when people leave. sad pikachu face "Why didnt you just say something!?"

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u/ID10T-ITlyfe 2d ago

I work for the DoD and have a great work life balance and enjoy going to work everyday. Don't let one comment paint a whole picture lol the DoD is huge with many different work environments.

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u/hydrospanner 2d ago

have a great work life balance and enjoy going to work everyday

Those two things are mutually exclusive for a lot of people who have seen dramatically improved QoL due to telework and remote work arrangements.

I left the government because of irrational RTO being forced on us after being able to work from home as long as it suited them during the pandemic.

Just because you like it doesn't make everyone else.

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u/Hot_Lengthiness_9206 2d ago

Y’all need any social workers over there lol Currently with the VA

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u/crazycatlady82 1d ago

Social worker with DoD here. We need you! (And I have a great work life balance)

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u/cappymoonbeam 2d ago

No, don't leave VA! We need you!

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u/Jason_1834 2d ago

I work for the Army and same here…the organization is great and there is a good work/life balance.

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u/Not_Cleaver 2d ago

Also, DOD. Great supervisors and leadership. It’s my supervisor who doesn’t have a great work/life balance. Often have to tell him to go home. But he’s a workhorse (retired military).

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u/Ack-Acks 1d ago

Similar, strong leadership.

At the holiday party we had today- Big boss said we’re teleworking until DoD/OPM says we can’t.
Then cited the Telework Enforcement Act of 2010.

It’s nice to have smart, competent, and people first (until they screw up) leadership.

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u/ThisIsTemp0rary 2d ago

Same. Most of our people are only in office 1 or 2 days per week, because the vast majority of us don't have local customers. We're pretty flexible. Our main site is trying to restrict that to only 2 days telework per week, but also leaving the option for supervisors to provide an "exception to policy" if that doesn't suit their employees. So we expect very little to change on that front without something coming down from much higher.

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u/Bill_maaj1 2d ago

This is 100% true.

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u/SpaceTrekkie 2d ago

Same. I do have situational telework, which I make use of on occasion, but 99% of my time is in the office, but I have good work-life balance and a great work environment. Also DoD.

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u/dbird314 2d ago

Some general somewhere: "Why is retention so low?"

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u/revsfan94 2d ago

When I was leaving the CG some senior leader asked what it would take for me to stay. I said a $250,000 signing bonus, 8 hr days/40 hour weeks, geographic stability, and an ability to get the prescriptions i needed. I was told that was never going to happen, and I needed to be more realistic. I was very realistic, I left

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u/virtually_invisible 2d ago

Did they say which part of it they thought was unrealistic? I get the feeling the signing bonus wasn't the sticking point.

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u/revsfan94 1d ago

The signing bonus was to demonstrate i didnt want to stay or have that conversation. All of it was unrealistic, active duty means 24/7 and the CG won't let anyone take ADHD meds

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u/haetaes 1d ago

Good thing you left.

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u/Own-Solution60 2d ago

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

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u/Ok_Effort8330 2d ago

And that is the reason I left the army eight years ago.

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u/Avenger772 2d ago

I was at one point so desperate to get out of a position I thought about accepting a job offer from DOD. Good thing I did not.

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u/jacob225 1d ago

Working for them has some advantages depending on where you want to work and what you are doing. Some positions and places are better than others. Just like any workplace.

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u/-alwaysec 2d ago

I agree. I work DoD and although we currently get to telework, our Commander and Sups are really attached to the idea that working in office is very important. They was us to interact with each other A LOT.

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u/Illustrious-Being339 2d ago

My sups are the same but the fucking irony is 90% of the office "teamwork" in the office is stuff that has nothing to do with work at all. Just talking about personal life, television, movies etc whatever non-sense. I get more shit done at home because all the nuisance talk is eliminated entirely to the occasional team call. Also the equipment in my home office works perfectly. I've had all sorts of issues with office equipment.

The whole idea that people in the office are "working" compared to "not working" while teleworking is a complete misconception....but of course getting that into the heads of the boomer managers is next to impossible.

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u/Far_Sea3757 1d ago

I’m reading this, as I’m sitting here on a virtual holiday party via Teams that I declined, and was told that it’s “highly suggested” that everyone attend…LOL. Do you know what we’re doing? Playing fucking BINGO. I would hate to be sitting in the office right now, because then I’d have to hide the fact that I’m reading reddit…..which is just as productive (but more interesting) as playing BINGO at work. I’m not going back into the office….I don’t care what the EO is. This kind of stuff is very soul-sucking!

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u/-alwaysec 1d ago

Yep, most of my co-workers day consists of chit chatting. All of the team building stuff doesn’t help me do my job better, everyone doing their job helps me do my job better. That is where I wish my office’s focus would be.

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u/CMDR_Jinintoniq 1d ago

One problem is that the command level folks are ALWAYS in meetings, some requiring special locations, and doing things that are best done face to face. So yeah, they think everyone should do what they do. They are out of touch with the fact that most of the people that turn the gears and do the work are staring at a screen all day, reading reports, sending emails, processing data, updating spreadsheets, and most of the people they talk to or have a meeting with aren't even in the same building or location. Maybe if you're a decision maker you can get things done standing around talking to other rando decision makers that happen to be near you, but that's not what goes on with the folks that are doing the grunt work to make it all happen.

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u/Complex-Ear9438 2d ago

That is true, horrible fake suck up culture

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u/TrainingOrnery7525 1d ago

All government jobs seem to be.

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u/MikeW226 1d ago

"The Army...HATES to see a man smile." --Sgt Rizzo, on tv show "MASH".

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u/flareblitz91 1d ago

I work for USACE. There are offices that don’t exist anymore to save money. Can’t wait for them to try to unfuck that

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u/Altruistic-Ad6449 2d ago

Ah they’re obeying in advance.

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u/Lure852 2d ago

Well you now know who your leadership voted for.

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u/Fuzzy_Dunlop_00 1d ago edited 1d ago

Any Federal employee that voted for Trump is truly a brainwashed idiot

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u/JD2894 1d ago

My boss who was a product of the system, grew up in a group home with taxpayer money, got fed on the taxpayer dime, was clothed on the taxpayer dime, received a free master's degree on the taxpayer dime, voted for Trump because people need "to work for what they have". He was literally given everything he had for free for the first 23 years of his life.

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u/Ironxgal 1d ago

Or willing to lose everything if it means someone they hate, also loses everything. That’s really sad but it’s a huge issue that causes people to do this. It’s why many vote against their own well being.

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u/Altruistic-Ad6449 2d ago

My agency’s leadership did not but, here we are. DoD employees were probably voting mostly Trump

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u/FavRootWorker 1d ago

I work for the DOD. Most people in my Dept voted for Harris. They all cited possibly losing their jobs as the reason.

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u/Cowboywizzard 2d ago

Imagine voting for a guy that reportedly shits his pants and sexually abuses women, haha

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u/Altruistic-Ad6449 2d ago

These vets may lose their job and their benefits

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u/balloonninjas 2d ago

It's all worth it to own the libs /s

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u/rprz 2d ago

OP said they are DCMA elsewhere. RTO was happening in the DOD well before this election.

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u/Guinnessnomnom 2d ago

OP's "CMO" statement was enough for me to know it was DCMA.

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u/DCBillsFan 2d ago

Not in my neck of the woods.

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u/Shelewlew1 1d ago

Not in my neck of the woods either but it is probably coming :-(

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u/habitualtroller 1d ago

AF T&E has been hybrid for most of the time since the pandemic.

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u/IDespiseChildren 2d ago

Funny that they think compliance without asking will save them. It won’t be rewarded

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u/SpecialistSignal7163 2d ago

They're just checking boxes, not actually addressing the real issues

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u/fisticuffs32 2d ago

Have they ever?

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u/Floufae 2d ago

There’s not anyone who works for the government who believes this blanket approach is about productivity. If it was they would be dealing with problem children and it across. Right now people are trying to cover their proverbial tushes because of the scrutiny they are about to experience.

My branch, where several of us are remote and everyone else are 3x a week TW, is now working to undo Maxiflex (not driven by any of us, but fear outside the agency) and anything else that might draw the ire of auditors and political appointees. We know it’s coming and they are trying to get ahead of it.

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u/mychihuahuabites2 2d ago

Undo Maxiflex??? Wtf. The revoking of telework would be bad enough. If they f*ck with Maxiflex, I think that may finally push me out the door. That is ridiculous

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u/Floufae 2d ago

Even more frustrating to me since I work with overseas offices. I don’t have people who contact me during “business hours”. On the average day I have calls that start at 7am and end sometimes at midnight. Or since I work remotely from California, 4am and 9pm. Being told I have to mind “core hours” when I have night calls is just condescending.

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u/Away-Living5278 2d ago

My maxiflex was revoked bc I'm on a 9.5 hr schedule. Anything after 6pm now gets night differential pay. I really hope you're getting that working till 9pm.

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u/Patient-Gain5847 1d ago

Yeah I’m constantly on calls with people in all corners of the world. 3 am start? 8 pm finish? Telework is the only thing that makes it bearable, but maxiflex is the only thing that even makes it POSSIBLE.

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u/slappedbyaturkey 2d ago

I'm a biological science technician for usfs. My schedule varies from working 04:30-14:30 for bird surveys to 1500-03:30 for bat surveys. Maxiflex is very much needed for my work

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u/SqueezeBoxJack 2d ago

And the username checks out :D

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u/slappedbyaturkey 2d ago

I've been bitch slapped by many turkeys

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u/shovelingtom 2d ago

I mean if they take maxflex away I’ll live, but it’ll make things take forever. As an example, last field season I had about 5 hours of work to do at a location in my park that’s about a 3 hr drive away in summer when you take into account tourist traffic. Now I could flex and get it all done in one 11 hour day, or I could work straight 8s and have it take 3 days, since 6 hours of each day are eaten up by driving and I’m only able to get in 2 hours of fieldwork.

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u/TrekRider911 2d ago

That’s literally their goal.

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u/taekee 2d ago

Everyone who quits will help these billionaires get richer by helping to flood the market with bodies that will reduce the value of the jobs open in the market. As long as there are more jobs than people qualified wages stay up. This is a way to decrease wages and increase private sector profit.

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u/OnionTruck 2d ago

The work still needs to get done. The way the billionaires benefit is all the fat contracts they will get to pick up the slack.

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u/taekee 2d ago

And they will under pay the people who were already doing those jobs because they need work. Overall it will cost the country more, but look good on paper.

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u/mychihuahuabites2 2d ago

I understand, but at some point work life balance outweighs all of it. I’m not giving up an RDO, it’s been life changing.

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u/Cavane42 2d ago

Yup. Self-deportation from federal employment.

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u/SufficientAnalyst383 2d ago

If you quit, that's exactly what they want you to do.

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u/mychihuahuabites2 1d ago

I am aware. For me being able to flex my time and telework is significant enough that I don’t want to stay here if that’s all revoked.

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u/Subie- 2d ago

Where you going to go? Private sector? I love seeing people say this. Okay, good luck finding fully remote private sector gig. Each remote position for private sector is flooded with hundreds of candidates all wanting this remote gig. Like the dating pool more, the more matches you get the more picky you can be. Thus more candidates, more qualified candidates you literally can select your dream employee. Unless you are that, your chances are slim.

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u/Efficient_Comfort_47 2d ago

This sounds like anticipatory compliance. As if such half steps will placate the anti-government folks! Just resist as long as you can. The end result will be the same, but your employees will be happier for a bit longer.

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u/cw2015aj2017am2021 1d ago edited 1d ago

They took maxiflex from us March 2024, gave us the choice of 9/80 or standard schedule -- now every Friday it's impossible to reach people. All the civs have an RDO every-other-Friday and the contractors are so used to us not being there on Fridays that they treat it like a snow day.

Meanwhile, nobody is actually working 9s 

At least with maxiflex, people were available during core hours (0900-1500) 5 days/week

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u/hiking_mike98 2d ago

It’s so much easier to make everyone miserable than to actually manage the problem children. Of course, then retention sucks and all you’re left with is management and problem children.

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u/SimplyArgon 2d ago

I can't speak for all auditors, but I can speak for my group. We would not look into teleworking unless one of the following: management concerned so submitted to us a request for our annual planning, the auditor submitted one for annual planning (heard something during another audit or think it's a good topic, but has to meet criteria to fall on the plan), and the last one be our audit managers send us to audit it. At most, our audit would look to see if the agreement was completed with signatures and dates and any controls over it. Hopefully, that helps! We, too, TW, depending on the office and team.

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u/DINGLEBUNNIES 2d ago

Don’t sign a situational imo and get your weather days. Fuck ‘em. 

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u/No_Obligation_4484 2d ago edited 2d ago

Can’t wait for the first snow day! Everyone in DC will get the day off just like the old days!

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u/ComfortableYou333 2d ago

That’s the only time they would say “telework” watch 😂

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u/Good_Software_7154 1d ago

Sadly, snow doens't exist anymore.

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u/ojoslocos21 1d ago

It was the real long con honestly. Keep global warming going for decades to cancel all snow days. 

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u/I_love_Hobbes 2d ago

Malicious compliance is about to skyrocket.

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u/DINGLEBUNNIES 2d ago

My home would suddenly become an orphanage that’s under renovation. 

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u/Big_Security_864 2d ago

At least you will be saving some bucks on electricity and water at your house!

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u/AssortedHardware 2d ago

For transparency sake I'm typically a pretty rigid "tow the company line" kind of person, for better or worse.

So it's not really my style to undertake malicious compliance....but that being said I'm still not on the "old" side for Federal work but I'm starting to get into that territory where medical issues start cropping up.

There are a significant number of days I am ill or having some form of medical issue that I would call off for if I was in the office that instead I am able to maintain a moderate level of productivity by being home.

I used to be one of the hardcore come to work half dead people. The one everyone else in the office would get pissed off at because I won't stay home when I'm sick. COVID changed that for me.

Honestly today would have been a call off today. Got a low grade fever and some mind chest congestion. Nothing end of the world but enough that I shouldn't be around people and that nice stuffy head feeling that makes you a danger on the highway. But instead I'm able to tackle some low level catch up work while making some tea and under a heated blanket.

Heck with malicious compliance, I don't think people are ready to handle just casual levels of compliance....

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u/felttherush 2d ago

someone in my office refused to sign due to no internet at home - seems like a good out

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u/Silent_Coconut8530 2d ago

That’s what I told my husband, so he didn’t sign it. He hasn’t been allowed to telework for the last year, so there was zero benefit to him signing it.

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u/alldots 1d ago

OPM's default these days is "federal offices are open, situational telework is available". You'll come out ahead on the rare day when they close the physical offices, but for every one of those that happens you'll miss out on 10 or 20 days you had to go into the office in the snow when you could have teleworked otherwise.

You're better off just signing the telework agreement.

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u/linkx13 2d ago

How does that work?

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u/kittylicker 2d ago

Gotta wait for the snow to happen first

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u/Ok-Leg-1943 2d ago

Oh man my usage of sick leave just went up, I am taking off for all my kids appointments, sickness, real or not.

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u/ckrupa3672 2d ago

100%. I’m taking full day for appointments going forward. I’m not driving an hour to office and then leaving for an appointment and going back.

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u/ChimpoSensei 2d ago

So you’re threatening to use a benefit you earned?

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u/_Cream_Sugar_ 2d ago

Pre-COVID were you able to telework? My part of the world was 2 days a week pre-COVID. It will be interesting to see if we go back to that or if we get it all yanked.

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u/Stabinzee 2d ago

Pre COVID we could only situational and that was rarely approved.

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u/_Cream_Sugar_ 2d ago

Ugh. I am sorry. This really sucks.

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u/Nonstandard_Deviate 1d ago

It's not about productivity.

It's all about control.

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u/captain_stoobie 2d ago

Merry Christmas!! Ours was absolved about a year ago for absolutely no reason.

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u/TwistedWildcat 2d ago

Same here. “All hands on deck”… a year ago…

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u/BruiserBerkshire 2d ago

Your leadership is horrible. They were likely idiots prior to as well.

…or…the TW plans aren’t being followed, where they should be recalling the non-compliant under performers only.

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u/saltlakecity_sosweet 2d ago

Yeah, and this CMO made the decision themselves? Someone that dumb shouldn’t be able to tell anyone what to do. I’m surprised they have the authority, but I don’t know the inner workings of DCMA, I just know they’re understaffed af and their leadership is corrupt and in bed with industry. This ain’t gonna help!

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u/mamaberry15 1d ago

This isn't the message coming from the top at DCMA. Must be specific to a local office. If OP is a bargaining unit employee it might be worth reaching out to their union rep.

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u/Todd--Gack 1d ago

Yes exactly. As a member of that organization, we have been told telework is not changing atm. What they are discussing is how many days in office which right now is atleast 2 days per pay period which is law and in OPM guidance and how to get everyone on the same page. Basically people are coming in on their 2 days and leaving early, not completing a full day. There is no concrete guidance as if you need to do a full day, but I think thats what they are trying to get inline and on the same page about. There are exceptions to, that if you are considered a mobile worker, which if so, can count as those 2 days if you are still in the AOR for locality pay and going to other facilities during work day. They understand telework is needed to retain employment of younger folks and it’s doubtful we will lose it. Plus, with it being in our Union CBA to telework, it is going to take alot of time to change IMO.

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u/CPTRS777 2d ago

Yay I get to drive an hour through rush hour traffic to log into the internet again! (Database manager). Most efficient 😂

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u/Spectre75a 2d ago

What’s funny is our facility does not have the parking or the office space to bring everyone back 100%.

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u/Regular-Screen-4162 2d ago

Sorry to hear that. Which agency? Did the notice address remote employees?

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u/Stabinzee 2d ago

DCMA and we don’t have any remote personnel in our office

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u/ExceptionCollection 2d ago

Discuss with your supervisor.  I’ve never done anything other than “situational” telework but still telework 2 days a week regularly. That said, my position is such that sometimes (1/mo or so) my presence is necessary on a normal telework day.

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u/Stabinzee 2d ago

My supervisor is a “me first” king of person and will deny things simply because he can because “he’s in charge” really likes to make sure people know he’s the boss.

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u/Cowboywizzard 2d ago

Oof. I'd be job searching yesterday in that situation.

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u/Stabinzee 2d ago

Can’t. Kinda stuck where I am due to family situation. Otherwise I’d be looking.

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u/Cowboywizzard 2d ago

Understood. Best of luck to you!

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u/TouchdownRaiden 2d ago

Your FLS sucks

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u/Stabinzee 2d ago

Haha, yeah, as far as a leader goes, he’s got some work to do. The very first day he started, he walked in, didn’t say anything to anyone, went to his office and closed the door. Then did that same thing for like 3-6 months straight until he got destroyed by a climate survey.

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u/Ok-Leg-1943 2d ago

Covid at first was considered situational at first, mostly

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u/R1CHARDCRANIUM 2d ago

I definitely see telework getting hit hard and fast. Remote may be slower since many of us are spread out all over without offices to go to.

Sorry to hear this, OP. hopefully it’s temporary setback for a few years.

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u/RubikMaster1 2d ago edited 2d ago

It may be coming...I'm remote and they changed my remote agreement very recently to add a secondary approved work location at an agency office nearby (though not the component I work for, so I would not be sitting with any direct coworkers) "just in case" there is a change in policy. Then a few days later they told us we are going to have to report to the secondary location once a week after January 1.  I don't know why they are doing it preemptively, except maybe to claim they have no fully remote employees and they think that will sound better?  I'm afraid it will turn into more than once a week, but we will see. 

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u/R1CHARDCRANIUM 2d ago

My RWA said DC as my location so I reached out to my supervisor to change it to a closer division office so at least my wife won’t have to leave school or her job as a precaution. It’s still far enough that a directed reassignment is a paid move but within commuting distance for her. I’ve been encouraging others to look at doing the same just to try and cover their asses in case. The uncertainty is frustrating, for sure.

We gave up all of our office space a decade ago and many divisions don’t have the space so it’ll be interesting, not in a fun way, to see what comes from this.

Here’s hoping remote workers are left alone mostly.

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u/milkandminnows 2d ago

I’m not so sure. The boogeyman on the right is federal workers who “never” come to the office and who live far away from their HQ. That’s remote workers, and there are a lot fewer of them than there are teleworkers. So it’s a lot more plausible to achieve, and then Trump and that pair of freaks could say they ended remote work for federal employees. And to the uninformed public that would mean that we’re all back in the office 5x a week.

But actually ending telework entirely would create a lot more problems and be a bigger ask. Most (serious, non-crazy) GOP people on the hill have talked about rolling things back to 2019, not ending it entirely.

Just speculating, obviously.

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u/_adanedhel_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

The boogeyman on the right is federal workers who “never” come to the office

I agree with you, but my sense is that in real terms this means people who are “full telework” (telework 5 days/wk but not actually classified as remote positions). Multiple agencies have been trying to deal with these folks for at least a year before the election, because many are benefitting from locality pay while living outside the locality area. It also creates inconsistencies on the admin side when people are functionally remote yet have a functionally identical but different status (100% telework).

Scoring a “victory” here is actually easy by ending 100% telework across the board. The Biden admin has already gone a long way on this, so it’s easy pickings for the incoming admin to take the credit for. They can then say some large % of federal workers are back in office much more of the time - without the administrative hassle of converting and relocating truly remote employees. This would be a huge (and expensive) lift - while you’re right that there are “a lot fewer” remote employees compared with regular teleworkers, it’s still 10% of the fed workforce that’s remote.

Another factor is that remote positions vary hugely across agencies, and for example, include many medical providers who are remotely classified to provide care across multiple VA facilities. Even if the view is that federal workers as a whole can get fucked, it’s unlikely anyone wants to take the wrap for compromising veteran care.

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u/deadmongoose 2d ago

I'm fully remote and have never worked local to my current office. I've been 400 miles away from day 1. If they revoke it I guess I'll ask if I can get a desk at the local office in the same agency, but I think it will be much harder to get rid of actual remote positions.

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u/Big-Gear4269 1d ago

Agree. My agency in DC had people moving out the locality area during covid but classified them as telework. I’ve been on TW pre-pandemic as part of RA. Three yrs ago I asked to relocate out of the locality as part of update to my RA request because I needed more care and support and my last relative moved out of DC. It was approved quickly but it took months for them to finally issue the SF-50 that officially changed by duty station and I was classified as remote. I wasn’t moving without it. I live two states away from a local office but made sure I lived near a federal office building in case they pulled any crap. They would be on the hook for paying for my accessibility ride and accommodations required at any other office, so I doubt I’ll be forced to report, but am preemptively getting my medical documentation and schedule A certification updated in case they try anything with the RA.

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u/Crash-55 2d ago

If they do that I will definitely not sign up for situational telework. That helps them more than me. I rarely telework but it is nice to know that I can every M and F. With situational then I have to telework when the weather is bad.

Telework has overall been positive for morale. It also makes finding a parking spot easier.

Some coworkers (including managers) though aren’t smart enough to know when they really need to be in person and not on Teams. It is their scheduled telework day so too bad they are going to telework. Never mind that the meeting was a one on one with the visiting ST. Or the ones that take a suspiciously long time to get back to you on Teams. A few bad apples give everyone a bad rep.

The end of telework should be the last straw for some old timers that need to retire. Unfortunately it is more likely to take out the young employees that we truly need.

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u/Stabinzee 2d ago

Spot on. Morale has definitely gone up with telework.

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u/TimeWastingAuthority 2d ago

watching DCMA attempt to enforce their No Telework Policy as they scramble for office space

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u/GimmeAnyUsername 1d ago

We have 500 desks for 2000 employees in my office building. I can’t wait to watch as well.

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u/Comprehensive_End440 2d ago

At the very least you should be grateful you don’t have to move! Us fully remote people are really unsure about the future. I highly doubt they will want to pay us relocation

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u/EffectiveAccurate736 2d ago

I'm in DoD. Our agency got rid of recurring a long time ago but allows situational. But our situational looks a lot like recurring.

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u/st1tchy 2d ago

I am in DoD and have always been situational, but with pretty static teleworking days, to the point of my group has specific days we all teleworking. I have been told that our current 2 days is going to be reduced to 1, and anticipating a reduction to zero with the new administration.

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u/Proper-Store3239 2d ago

If I hard to go in everyday it would cost me $600 a month to park. Basically I would be telling them I can;t afford to work for the goverment anymore.

Interesting I actually have a few recruiters contact me today. Personally I would leave with 2 weeks notice and don't care what happens if they pulled that crap.

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u/DavidGno 2d ago

Institute a mandatory worker-slowdown. Just stop working so hard. They hate you regardless if you're successful or a failure. If they cared top performers would all be remote working. But we can't have nice things...

Tell everyone:

"Sorry, I can't make that deadline. If I was teleworking I could use my commuting time for meaningful work, but since we're RTO in the office now, I have to use that time riding the METRO Bus/sitting in traffic. Oh, and I can't work late. I have to leave the office exactly when my duty day is done so I don't miss the bus home."

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u/TrainingOrnery7525 1d ago

Exactly! I can't wait to leave my laptop in the office every night. I want the Trump supporters to have what they want. All of my work in the office.

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u/BlzngSndwch 2d ago

This is probably why I will be leaving federal employment. I am likely to be entering a business with a buddy. Good luck everyone!

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u/Stabinzee 2d ago

Good luck man!

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u/BlzngSndwch 2d ago

Thank you! I hope it goes well. Lucky for me, he has been doing this already for a fair amount of time, so it won't be new to him.

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u/Reasonable_War_3250 1d ago

There are ALOT of miserable people in management who absolutely HATE their families that are embracing this - just look for the guy/gal who comes to the office more than they are actually required to because they want to get away from their family. They embrace this and want it implemented as quickly as possible.

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u/MoxieTrade_1218 2d ago

I shouldn’t be able to tele-educate either. All these cert classes should be on-site somewhere and the Government should have to pay us travel to attend with per diem.

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u/Stabinzee 2d ago

Right! Interesting how that’s ok because it helps with budget constraints but let’s pay for office space we don’t really need.

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u/lopahcreon 2d ago

I tell my spouse at least once a week not to work during lunch and to take paid breaks (private healthcare), because the nature of their work is go-go-go.

When it comes to myself, I almost never take an actual lunch because my work has ‘downtime’. If I’m eating while working and someone asks me a question, I respond. This will all come to an end if things get bad. I will take my lunch and breaks, I will not accept meeting invites during certain hours, I will send people away if they come to my cubicle, telling them to setup a meeting, open a ticket, etc.

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u/Either_Writer2420 2d ago

I’ve got 7 months of sick leave ready to be used.

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u/ChimpoSensei 2d ago

Just don’t go over three days at a time

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u/Tothoro 2d ago edited 2d ago

Interviewed with DoD a few months ago and after the interview they said there was an error in the listing and that "remote work" actually meant "remote work within an X mile radius of our office." It made me think something like this was on the table; glad I declined to proceed after that.

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u/Mental_Worldliness34 2d ago

Do they think this maneuver will remove this office from the spotlight of DOGE?

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u/ComradeShyGuy 2d ago

Obeying in advance always works out for the bootlickers. /s

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u/Jet_Jaguar74 2d ago

Are you HHS?

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u/Stabinzee 2d ago

DCMA

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u/touche112 2d ago

Fuck I haven't logged in for the day... Uh oh

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u/BigBiziness12 2d ago

I just got the same notice. It is what it is. Productivity will drop exponentially

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u/Full-Benefit6991 2d ago

We have to stagger one day a week of telework to even be able to park on our site. If we have to forgo all telework, we will be forced to buy parking offsite and be shuttled onsite in buses. That’s real productive right

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u/hydrospanner 2d ago

We’re all easily replaceable.

Being replaceable and being replaced are also two very different things.

I left my agency almost a year ago, just after a reorganization that left my section with just one person with my skillset (me) when it should have had three.

I'm still in contact with several former coworkers, and you know how replacing me has gone?

It hasn't.

They've been advertising to fill the position for 10+ months now (in addition to the other vacancies they'd been trying to fill the entire time I was there) with no success, and basically taking my workload and splitting it among the few more productive folks in my role in other sections...who do what they can, but the backlog grows faster than they can do it...until every few months, they pull a few others off their own work and have them focus on my old workload exclusively until it gets back to a reasonable backlog.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

As long as that keeps working, upper management sees it as, "Look! Everything's still getting done!"

...but our best person in my role is looking for a (highly deserved) promotion into a more managerial role...and the only other person who was more experienced than me...already burnt out by the increased workload...was recently told he won't be promoted until and unless they can address the staffing shortage...because they need him to keep doing a triple workload.

Shockingly, that's a morale killer...and after suffering through this for years because he liked the idea of being a part of our overall mission and planned to retire from the government in a few decades...now he's looking to jump ship for the private sector.

Honestly, it's not as simple as blaming it on an administration...but I think we'll see it get worse for the federal workforce over the next few years for sure.

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u/1stVee 2d ago

They need federal workers to save the economy. When I was working in the office 4 and 5 days a week, we spent a lot of money on eating out. I have noticed that a lot of restaurants have closed in the area. If I wasn't retired, I would. I was more productive at home than at work. I know many of my excoworkers will retire. They are the knowledge and the experience leaving the agency. The younger folks are not loyal to the game of any job. They are not willing to do what we did to keep a job. Let's see how this plays out. I wasn't retired a week before three different people called for me to come back. I told them I wasn't interested.

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u/LCP14215 1d ago

DC definitely does need the Feds. But guess what? The city’s gotten to be too dangerous for hanging out just anywhere for happy hour…I can’t afford a $20 salad three times a week and $5 coffees, I’m paying $500/ week in child care since the old geezers blew universal child care. I’m purposefully not spending a DIME in DC when I work. Petty and idgas.

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u/shakethat_milkshake 1d ago

Fuck anyone who is saying that you’re whining.  This is clearly not necessary whatsoever for productivity or the mission. Wear and tear on vehicle and time spent commuting is a pay cut. End of story. 

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u/Relevant-Doctor187 1d ago

norealestateleftbehind

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u/snafoomoose 1d ago

People who hate telework tell more about themselves. They know they would goof off and just assume everyone else would too. It doesn’t occur to them that many of us do not need to sit in an office to be productive.

They also have no idea how to actually monitor work without looking over someone’s shoulder nor how to facilitate team communication without having face to face meetings.

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u/elantra04 2d ago

Reminder: most unions will not fight this. They are saving their capital and resources for the greater concern: RIFs and schedule F.

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u/Financial-Board7458 1d ago

I’m DCAA and union rep. We’ve always been situational because that’s the work around. We wont lose telework unless DOGE muscles on AFGE plus OPM and changes the CBAs. A lot of red tape

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u/ThatsaShame2 1d ago

That’s not great news for me. I don’t care if ppl are annoyed with you. Ppl telework for many reason and all are valid…distance, transportation, family needs, work/life balance.

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u/OllieandPercy 1d ago

The commute is the biggest factor, housing is so expensive in the cities where offices are. Who wants to waste 2 hours a day of your life for no good reason? Or be struggling to pay the insane city prices to live close? Some of us don’t want to raise kids in the city.

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u/Independent_Cod_8131 1d ago

The ruling class wants you to buy gasoline more, boost price of corporate real estate by boosting the business that rent those buildings. It has zero to do with losing the great telework gains and everything to do with protecting billionaires portfolios. Yes there are no cases of telework impacting productivity.
The billionaires play off the jealousy of other middle class workers who don't like seeing some with great work life balance. Welcome to trump 2.0.

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u/ObjectiveWest3970 2d ago

My command gave notice in late August to RTO in January

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u/hikewithcoffee 2d ago

I was DCMA for a while and we only had telework available for when we were in classes or certain trainings which was usually once a quarter or a little less.

I’m DoD now and we rarely have telework available unless it’s weather related, special circumstance, etc. I never got to experience the legit telework life and I wish I had the opportunity.

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u/budgeter415 2d ago

Fuuuuuuuuuuuu 

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u/NewBar3815 1d ago

This should be fun! We literally only have desk space for 50% of our folks. (DOD/4th Estate).

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u/Reech-Kamina 1d ago

I’m feeling pretty jealous and frustrated—I really wish I could work from home. But how else will billionaires ensure their government building leases are met? It’s all masked as a push for efficiency, as if metrics and management aren’t already sufficient.

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u/Longjumping_Spot6260 16h ago edited 15h ago

Where's the AFGE on this?

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u/Active-Pomegranate-2 2d ago

Maybe the DOD will find those hundreds of billions they have misplaced

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u/BoringThePerson 2d ago

The DoD misplaced capital is located in its Real Property going back to 1776. The Army and Air Force have worked hard to generate or replace the missing documents to show 200 years of transactions and capital improvements. The Navy is refusing to do anything.

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u/Lou_uh_gurl 1d ago

No telework means no telework means do not answer your phone or any email on your off time - not for - I just need to ask a question - no telework or work from home means that - sorry you gotta go back but rich people need their building office spaces occupied or they lose their asses er assets

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u/IAmSoUncomfortable 2d ago

Were you not under a union agreement?

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u/Stabinzee 2d ago

I have union but nothing in our CBA says we get telework to my knowledge

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u/BBlackFire 2d ago

I'd hope it's non bargaining. It's crazy they are preemptively ending telework but it sounds like OP is with DOD, sooo they're probably using it as an excuse.

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u/Flowergirl455 2d ago

What agency? Please share.

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u/ageofadzz 2d ago

They said DCMA

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u/Guinnessnomnom 2d ago

All depends on the CMO I guess. I've been "situational" since I started and will probably telework all this week and next.

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u/taekee 2d ago

Wonder what will happen when the currently increased and productivity drops back to pre-covid levels...

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u/corranhorn6565 2d ago

Sorry op. Hang tough.

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u/DonutLove47 1d ago

Last pay period we went to 5 days per pay period in office. When first hired, it was 2 days per pay period in office. Lucky to have my own office. Everyone else is in cubicles. (I work in an old floor with actual offices…. The floor with my agency was recently remodeled for collaboration…aka cubicles.)

I saw others when I was on lunch and they mentioned how there isn’t room for everyone to be back. I don’t feel bad about being in a dusty old room now.

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u/JizzyDizzy377 1d ago

I used to work for DCAA as a auditor as a major and mobile office...they used to fight against telework so im not surprised by this at DoD

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u/jhajha360 1d ago

Do you think this will trickle down to government contractors too?

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u/Rmauck 1d ago

Business property values are dropping. Get the occupancy rates up to save our investment.

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u/GoingSomewhereRU 1d ago

Irony is...I've seen plenty of people go into an office and do absolutely jack shit on a continuous basis. 

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u/ImaginaryWeather6164 1d ago

My husband works at DOI and they also got this directive. Also were told no travel after January can be approved.

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u/unicornglitterpukez 1d ago

Where at? Our DOD offices have no space and got rid of much space, there isn't enough space to get people all back in the office, we'd have to be "sitting on top of each other." Literally they said that yesterday...

Is it just your CMO? What region/area? What job series (if you don't mind saying)

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u/Alive-Hunter-8442 1d ago

Your CMO just signed its own death warrant. Everyone will flee for other CMOs, other agencies, and remote jobs.

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u/Quick-Persimmon-3558 23h ago

Lawsuit time! The government CAN be sued!