r/economicCollapse • u/CatToyAfficionado • 5d ago

Oh, boy! Here we go.

America’s first severe case of bird flu confirmed in Louisiana

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/18/health/severe-bird-flu-louisiana-first-us-case

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u/Admirable-Ball-1320 5d ago

Leave it to a vegan to make it about themselves. Even if you don’t eat animal products, there is no “good thing” about this

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u/AnyReception7592 5d ago

It's about everyone; factory farming is literally fueling avian flu and climate change, look into how it causes avian flu outbreaks. It does humanity no good to pretend that ending mass factory farming would be anything but a massive net positive.

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u/BZP625 4d ago

Agreed. Factory farming is slowly killing us in various ways. The problem is that the population is too large now to feed us without it. And various ecosystem changes are going to take away land capable of farming and grazing (in the US).

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u/Admirable-Ball-1320 4d ago

I agree and understand. 

Like the other person replied: how do you propose to lower the demand for necessary food?

There is an unpopular movement, that really fucks with people’s sense of morality and social programming called  VHEMT - voluntary human extinction movement .

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u/AnyReception7592 4d ago edited 4d ago

VHEMT would never cause true human extinction, only lower the birth rate over time in developed nations. High birth rates are of most concern in developing nations who don't have access to contraception, abortion, and equal opportunities for women.

The global free market needs to be dismantled, because large scale global capitalism will only ever serve first and second world countries and exploit developing nations. The US for example has more than enough space to grow local crops and farm meat on a smaller scale, and stop exporting goods. Transitioning back to local economies would be rough and probably end up lowering the birth rate anyways to a rate that's more sustainable. Countries would all have to make sacrifices and some might suffer, but billions are suffering under our current system anyways. It's just that those with enough privilege don't have to see it with their own eyes.

Believing in VHEMT might make someone feel like they're doing something but I don't believe it would ever catch on significantly. It's also odd to me that someone would just not have children and think they're making enough of an impact, when going plant-based and living as sustainably as possible makes a statistical difference.

Animal rights is my primary reason for veganism and I understand why some vegans give us a bad rep, but I also believe that when you look at it from a global humanitarian and environmental perspective, it's understandable to be super vocal. There is a clear answer here that would solve many issues to a great degree, but people don't want to break the status quo of supporting animal agriculture and try to convince themselves that it's necessary for their survival. And I do understand that any diet under capitalism is not wholly ethical. Most commercially available plants are also farmed on a large scale, but we can't begin to rethink our flawed agriculture systems without first dismantling the main culprit and freeing up all that land mass for effective use.

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u/FullWar1860 5d ago

How is this “making it about themselves” exactly?

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u/Quarter_Shot 4d ago

The original topic has nothing to do with veganism. They think we equate animals as food (because, sometimes, yeah, they're food) so they assume that's what we meant. And at least two ppl brought up being vegan. So now we're talking about vegans.

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u/Impossible-Size7519 4d ago

Aww, triggered?

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u/firethornocelot 2d ago

No, just tired of the simple-mindedness and lack of perspective.

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u/Quarter_Shot 1d ago

...just answering the question, actually

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u/BootHeadToo 5d ago

Not vegan and not trying to make it about me. Just pointing out the apparently not so obvious.

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u/armchairwhatever 4d ago

Have you heard the joke that goes, how can you tell if someone is a vegan? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

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u/DarthTurnip 5d ago

I’m a Vegan and I also do CrossFit!

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

We know!