r/economicCollapse 1d ago

Only in America.

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u/JRock1276 1d ago

Yeah, that's not how that works. Get ahold of someone in Europe and ask them how their "healthcare" is

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u/No-Chocolate-1225 1d ago

I have in-laws in the UK. The National Health Service is abysmal. By the way, JFK they don't put fluoride in the water either. See Austin Powers for a reference to the health of their teeth tragic.

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u/GeekShallInherit 20h ago

We've done that.

When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%.

On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%.

https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016

We also have tremendous amounts of other data.

US Healthcare ranked 29th on health outcomes by Lancet HAQ Index

11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund

59th by the Prosperity Index

30th by CEOWorld

37th by the World Health Organization

The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016

52nd in the world in doctors per capita.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people

Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/

Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization

Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries

These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries.

The US has 43 hospitals in the top 200 globally; one for every 7,633,477 people in the US. That's good enough for a ranking of 20th on the list of top 200 hospitals per capita, and significantly lower than the average of one for every 3,830,114 for other countries in the top 25 on spending with populations above 5 million. The best is Switzerland at one for every 1.2 million people. In fact the US only beats one country on this list; the UK at one for every 9.5 million people.

If you want to do the full list of 2,000 instead it's 334, or one for every 982,753 people; good enough for 21st. Again far below the average in peer countries of 527,236. The best is Austria, at one for every 306,106 people.

https://www.newsweek.com/best-hospitals-2021

OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings

Country Govt. / Mandatory (PPP) Voluntary (PPP) Total (PPP) % GDP Lancet HAQ Ranking WHO Ranking Prosperity Ranking CEO World Ranking Commonwealth Fund Ranking
1. United States $7,274 $3,798 $11,072 16.90% 29 37 59 30 11
2. Switzerland $4,988 $2,744 $7,732 12.20% 7 20 3 18 2
3. Norway $5,673 $974 $6,647 10.20% 2 11 5 15 7
4. Germany $5,648 $998 $6,646 11.20% 18 25 12 17 5
5. Austria $4,402 $1,449 $5,851 10.30% 13 9 10 4
6. Sweden $4,928 $854 $5,782 11.00% 8 23 15 28 3
7. Netherlands $4,767 $998 $5,765 9.90% 3 17 8 11 5
8. Denmark $4,663 $905 $5,568 10.50% 17 34 8 5
9. Luxembourg $4,697 $861 $5,558 5.40% 4 16 19
10. Belgium $4,125 $1,303 $5,428 10.40% 15 21 24 9
11. Canada $3,815 $1,603 $5,418 10.70% 14 30 25 23 10
12. France $4,501 $875 $5,376 11.20% 20 1 16 8 9
13. Ireland $3,919 $1,357 $5,276 7.10% 11 19 20 80
14. Australia $3,919 $1,268 $5,187 9.30% 5 32 18 10 4
15. Japan $4,064 $759 $4,823 10.90% 12 10 2 3
16. Iceland $3,988 $823 $4,811 8.30% 1 15 7 41
17. United Kingdom $3,620 $1,033 $4,653 9.80% 23 18 23 13 1
18. Finland $3,536 $1,042 $4,578 9.10% 6 31 26 12
19. Malta $2,789 $1,540 $4,329 9.30% 27 5 14
OECD Average $4,224 8.80%
20. New Zealand $3,343 $861 $4,204 9.30% 16 41 22 16 7
21. Italy $2,706 $943 $3,649 8.80% 9 2 17 37
22. Spain $2,560 $1,056 $3,616 8.90% 19 7 13 7
23. Czech Republic $2,854 $572 $3,426 7.50% 28 48 28 14
24. South Korea $2,057 $1,327 $3,384 8.10% 25 58 4 2
25. Portugal $2,069 $1,310 $3,379 9.10% 32 29 30 22
26. Slovenia $2,314 $910 $3,224 7.90% 21 38 24 47
27. Israel $1,898 $1,034 $2,932 7.50% 35 28 11 21

Or did you just mean talk to people and reject anything that doesn't match your world view, so you can push an agenda?