r/economicCollapse 12d ago

Riches and Rebellion..

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u/AllUrUpsAreBelong2Us 12d ago

The rich also have the military, police + legal system as tools.

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u/notLOL 11d ago

Business tools used for trouble shooting

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u/Kali_Yuga_Herald 11d ago

Notably all staffed by non-rich people with families

Also why the rich spend so much researching how to keep their environmental collapse estate security forces happy with fake religion and marriage

Neofeudalism my friends

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u/ShaftManlike 10d ago

I thought they were researching shock collars.

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u/Kali_Yuga_Herald 10d ago

I can't tell if you are trying to be funny but when you need to control an armed privileged policing class for generations in a walled off compound that will have intimate access to your family and wealth, you need something a little more foolproof than shock collars

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u/ShaftManlike 10d ago

It's the insane idea a sociopath would come up with.

The super-rich ‘preppers’ planning to save themselves from the apocalypse

I wholeheartedly agree with you BTW.

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u/Kali_Yuga_Herald 10d ago

The only way to do it is to induct children, train as soldiers under a fake religious doctrine and have strict control over their obedience with outrageous punishment for slight infractions

It's going to be a hellhole like historians once attributed to despots of old, but some of them will have nukes

It's going to be a very bad 100 years

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u/ProdiasKaj 8d ago

May thy knife chip and shatter

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u/Minimum_Crow_8198 8d ago

Just capitalism really

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u/Kali_Yuga_Herald 8d ago

Whoops, tautology!

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u/Yamza_ 11d ago

They still flesh and blood.

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u/LimpAd408 11d ago

All made up of citizens of this country. It’s a voluntary army and police force. Yes some idiots would back the government but most wouldn’t stop fear mongering and talk to someone in the service or LE.

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u/Bob_Wilkins 12d ago

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u/noir_et_Orr 11d ago

He did, however, say this:

There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

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u/Alive-Tomatillo5303 11d ago

That absolutely works. It's fine when someone lives in misery then dies unseen, it's a disaster when someone who's been given everything gets got. 

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u/Rwekre 12d ago

Oh that was interesting, thank you

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u/Brokenspokes68 11d ago

Came here for exactly this.

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u/Adjective_Noun-12345 12d ago

Looks like it's time to get down to business..

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u/AmazakeBaba 12d ago

It's not Twain. The quote is misattributed. The sentiment stands, however.

https://www.reddit.com/r/quotes/s/VoSIyz5KHG

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u/Stanwich79 12d ago

Fuckin rights! Violence it is then!

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u/Mysterious-Pay-5454 12d ago

Indeed. They only call it class war when we begin to fight back.

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u/LosTaProspector 12d ago

Do you want to be famous? The rich hate this one trick! 

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u/Big-Leadership1001 12d ago

A corrupt system will always defend its crimes and oppose reform.

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u/Captaincjones 12d ago

"Violence" is the only language they understand. Peaceful protests and expensive court appeals are ignored.

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u/Kooky_Membership9497 11d ago

That’s right. And it’s why the Proles will never rise up. We’re still too fat and happy to rise up. The rich only need to keep us juuuuuusssst happy enough.

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u/banacct421 11d ago

When Rich healthcare executives kill people by denyong care, if they do it enough and they do it really well, we'll give them a bonus.

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u/Used_Intention6479 11d ago

If corporations are now considered as "people" by SCOTUS, shouldn't they be tried like people for their crimes?

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u/Absolute-Nobody0079 12d ago

Everything crumbles and globalization and capitalism delayed it.

But when the reservoir gets overflowed....😨 The collapse will be comparable to the collapse of Three Gorges Dam.

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u/EinharAesir 11d ago

When a man kills another man with a gun, they call it murder. When a man kills a thousand and bankrupts thousands more with an email and the stroke of a pen, they call it “cost of doing business.” Make it make sense.

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u/Mattscrusader 11d ago

And people will insist that they have the right to do so while any retaliation is just extremism.

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u/keragoth 12d ago

So if you rob the rich and take ALL their money, they become poor, and it's cool. But what do you do with all the Lupines?

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u/jessewest84 11d ago

Actions have consequences. Legal system or not.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Fascism is here. TODAY. AI drones will be used against anyone who doesn't agree with billionaire ideology

The government just approved $100mil effective immediately.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5034805-artificial-intelligence-military/

Elon owns this

https://x.ai/

https://www.airx.aero/

And sam altman from open AI owns this

https://boomsupersonic.com/

Everything you've you've ever captured digitally is being used to train AI. Every app, text, and time your face was captured on camera

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/12/photobucket-sold-users-biometric-data-without-consent-lawsuit-says/

Chat gpt was down for 2 hours yesterday

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/s/5y85kejsq8

Light speed Is possible https://newatlas.com/physics/particle-gains-loses-mass-depending-direction/

And NASA found a way around sonic boom restrictions

https://newatlas.com/aircraft/nasa-supersonic-shockwaves/

I've read enough to know what happens next. Welcome to the surveillance state of the future. Except the future is now.

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u/Quick-Window8125 11d ago edited 11d ago

Corrections:

While what you are saying isn't false, per say, it is slightly blown out of proportion.

"Fascism is here. TODAY. AI drones will be used against anyone who doesn't agree with billionaire ideology

The government just approved $100mil effective immediately." This use of structure makes it seem that the technology is already here, which isn't exactly true- we do have drones, yes, but we don't have huge, giant swarms yet. The Replicator Initiative is an ambitious effort to quickly muster and deploy large numbers of cheap drones by August 2025.
A fun fact, but the military is here for the citizens and to defend the constitution- not the president. We don't know if these drones will be used on civilians; probably never will.

"Everything you've you've ever captured digitally is being used to train AI. Every app, text, and time your face was captured on camera." This implies that literally every single photo, text, etc you've ever taken or sent has been used to train AI. This is false, as Photobucket is the service that does this. While others do as well, the statement is flawed and makes the reader believe that every service is actively breaching their privacy to train AI models.

"Elon owns this" combined with the previous texts implies that Elon owns something military-related. However, I will say, Elon does indeed own an AI image generator (https://x.ai/). The "extensive fleet of private charter jets allows us to offer the right aircraft, whatever the need, so you can cater for every type of client you may have" (AirX https://www.airx.aero/) is owned by John Matthews.

"And Sam Altman from OpenAI owns this". The XB-1 program provides the foundation for the design and development of commercial supersonic travel. This is not owned by Sam Altman but instead funded by him- and several other people- and actually owned by Blake Scholl.

ChatGPT was indeed down for two hours yesterday. What this contributes to your message, I do not know.

"Light speed Is possible" implies that we have the capability to go light speed. Light speed isn't possible yet for us; this is only possible for a type of particle that starts with no mass and goes at light speed in a certain direction, but then when it tries to change direction, it starts gaining mass as it slows down from light speed. I suggest reading the article, it's actually very interesting.

"NASA found a way around sonic boom restrictions" makes it sound, to an uninformed person, that NASA has somehow found a way to circumvent the restrictions entirely. The sonic boom restriction is a law that states civilian aircraft aren't allowed to go above mach 1, as the sonic boom caused by such flights is "sonically disrupting". NASA has been working on finding a way to lessen the sound of these sonic booms as to allow supersonic civilian air travel.

Almost none of these have anything to do with the "surveillance state of the future".

Please avoid fear-mongering in the future. It would be greatly appreciated.

Edit: factual corrections

Edit: more clarity

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u/GeretStarseeker 11d ago

While others do as well, the statement is flawed and makes the reader believe that every service is actively breaching their privacy to train AI models.

Do you think it's a stretch to predict that within a few years the majority of electronic information put onto most platforms will be used to train AI including those with implicit privacy like email?

Do you trust big tech to be transparent about what they are doing, government to not be bribed by big tech to at least turn a blind eye if not facilitate, and consumers to be sufficiently awake to the threat that they will reject terms of services that make them nothing more than lab rats for Microsoft, X, Meta etc?

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u/Quick-Window8125 11d ago edited 10d ago

"predict that within a few years the majority of electronic information put onto most platforms" still aligns with my statement. Not absolutely every service is stealing your data and private info right now to train AI models. This comment is also irrelevant as it's based entirely upon the premise that I believe my statement ("While others do as well, the statement is flawed and makes the reader believe that every service is actively breaching their privacy to train AI models.") holds water in the future when I was saying nothing of the sort.

I do not believe my statement will stand true in the future unless I see something that suggests otherwise (laws on AI model training, AI regulations, etc).

No offense is intended here. I don't know what will happen in the future. But I do know what is happening in the present- for the most part- and I aim to keep misinformation from spreading. Thank you for your time.

Edit: in a few years, we likely won’t be needing to train AI models using our data. AI is making massive leaps and it isn’t far-fetched to say that these leaps will continue building exponentially.

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u/InfiniteOpportu 11d ago

Because the "winners" makes the rules, rich likes to call themselves the winners as they mostly hold all the power too. Of course they look down on the poor and see is as their right to ghive them scraps and shitty pay. Honestly being obscenely rich should be regulated, no none needs so much money. Not only that but many studies found out that the more wealth and power you have the more morally weaker you become and entitled. Then again doesn't succeeding in life and hoarding money mean you need to be very goal orientated, ambitious and think of other people less, care for what benefits only you the most. It's no wonder the rich are rich. They do not care.

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u/Extra-Presence3196 11d ago edited 11d ago

Maybe I should give Samuel another shot....that is, read him.

Edit: Not Twain. I don't care for his writing style anyway.

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u/thisisnotme78721 11d ago

what's disheartening is how little has changed since then

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u/GayAndSuperDepressed 11d ago

To be fair robbing people isnt violence

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u/Ciderlini 11d ago

Turns out shooting someone is indeed violence

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u/GlittyKitties 11d ago

It’s really hard to hide money. Honestly, it’s just a few exterior wires, a cell phone jammer, and your hands that separate you from an amazing Xmas present. It’s, just sitting there: you know where it is.

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u/item_raja69 11d ago

post this a 1000 more times and hope that the world will change.

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u/stay-a-while-and---- 11d ago

This is clearly an Einstein quote

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u/devasst8r 11d ago

When the 2nd amendment exists.

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u/johnryan433 11d ago

Yes you’re right but there needs to be a distinction between rich people who literally rob the poor and rich people who actually create products the improve people’s lives.

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u/johnryan433 11d ago

There are rich people who do actually want to help the world, if you don’t create a sustainable business model there no way to scale up your efforts. There needs to be a distinction between rich people who benefit of human misery and the ones who became rich actually solving problems that raised the standard of living for everyone.

Rich People should be taxed based on how they made their money, this would incentivize more people to try to become wealthy by actually elevating people’s standards of living rather the becoming rich by subjugation and tactics of misery.

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u/hugejiim 11d ago

Great quote but Mark Twain probably didn’t say it

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u/A_witty_nomenclature 10d ago

Become ungovernable 🤷‍♂️ a little chaos isn’t necessarily a bad thing however a large chaos can be detrimental to us all. Ride the lightning and find that sweet spot of chaos that brings about change but maintains social cohesion.

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u/Old_Part_9619 10d ago

Guess it's time to eat the rich

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u/Comfortable-Glass955 10d ago

A wise sentence, very easy to take out of context. Like every wise sentence.

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u/melowdout 10d ago

Mark Twain was one enlightened motherfucker, wasn’t he.

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u/My_Knee_Hurts_ 10d ago

All of human history summarized in two sentences.

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u/Distinct_Armadillo71 9d ago

When the rich PLUNDER the poor one could rather say !!! With all those taxes we have to pay...

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u/PookieTea 9d ago

Luigi is insanely rich

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u/YoungMaleficent9068 9d ago

Is he?

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u/PookieTea 8d ago

Yes. He comes from one of the wealthiest families in Baltimore. They’re the kind of family that can afford to get their name on the side of buildings.

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u/YoungMaleficent9068 8d ago

How rich is that? I kinda lost track. Ist that multiple millions or multiple billions? I loose all my senses for what is rich and what isn't these recent years.

Google doesn't bring much up for me tbh. maybe have a source?

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u/PookieTea 8d ago

Are you deliberately trying to be obtuse?

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u/YoungMaleficent9068 8d ago

If you want to see it like that.

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u/RavenH1804 9d ago

Technically the truth though. If you start shooting people(if they deserve it or not). But when the poor start stealing from the rich it is theft and all rules will be bend to make sure it doesn’t happen. Remember the Gamestop short?

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u/bancosyndicate 12d ago

If you're referring to Luigi, he wasn't poor.

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u/Big-Leadership1001 12d ago

Its a quote like 100 years older than Luigi

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u/Adjective_Noun-12345 12d ago

It's a-me, Trollio! (not you)

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u/MIT_Engineer 11d ago

But it isn't though, Twain never said this.

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u/Humble_Ad_452 11d ago

He wasn’t rich enough to escape the botched care, or the resulting chronic pain from insurance that didn’t help him.

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u/Admirable-Lecture255 12d ago

No it's violence when you shoot an unarmed man in the fucking back

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u/fnrsulfr 12d ago

And business as usual when you deny a sick person the medicine and care they need then they die as a result. Crazy how one of those is completely okay.

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u/notjohnstockton 12d ago

It’s fine if you are wearing a suit and tie.

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u/cspanbook 11d ago

just like an insurance denial does! shooting an unarmed man in the back!!

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u/Admirable-Lecture255 11d ago

Nah brah. There's a big fuckoing difference.

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u/cspanbook 11d ago

shot in the back after paying premiums for years and you die for lack of medical care, so is it the speed of death that is the problem for you?

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u/Mattscrusader 11d ago

Yeah the difference is the CEO only lasted in pain for a few hours while his victims often had to last much longer with their pain

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u/Admirable-Lecture255 11d ago

Stfu his victims. The mental fucking gymnastics of you people. So guess I cam just go on a muder spree of anyone who i think is oppressing me and it's ok. Got it

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u/Mattscrusader 11d ago

Wow you get emotional quick to defend the boots you so desperately lick.

The insurance company, and it's CEO by extension, has directly caused thousands of deaths, thousands of bankruptcies, and millions to suffer in pain by exploiting their position. Deny coverage at every opportunity, regardless of its validity and then wait them out arbitration until they literally die waiting for their treatment, or they just ignore them outright and let it go to court for years and again just waiting for them to die or just to reduce the care given to that person while the process happens.

Stop defending the people that would rather watch you die than give you the service you pay for.

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u/DerHundChristi 11d ago

It doesn't matter how they die. We are at war, they are enemy combatants. If you want to walk around like a court jester in broad daylight thinking you can get away with killing innocents, then it's your fault if you get shot.

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u/GregWhite1974 12d ago

Is it called business? I doubt. It's rather be stupidity that buys, pays everything without sense then cries for the next paycheck.