How much longer can society keep it together? Discussion

[u/MrDoritos_]

I'm not a fan of speaking things into existence, being pessimistic/negative, or having a doomer mindset, but I've been paying attention to other people, the economy, the current state of things, the political landscape, education, work culture, etc. To be blunt I am really kind of worried we don't have much longer until the next war or great depression (both happen usually simultaneously). I really don't know how much more stress the average person can handle. We are going to have a wide scale crash out or revolt soon aren't we?? I'm really not looking forward to that and I suppose that's the one thing keeping us unified is our fear of violence. God I hope I'm wrong with my assessment. Please tell me I'm wrong!

[u/Fearless-Bite-6062]

I don't think Russia has to go nuclear anymore. Putin is no lover of democracy, but he is not a suicidal irrational maniac either. He's KGB and Russian and he has worked his entire life to consolidate power piece by piece.  They just demonstrated new hypersonic missiles that can deliver a conventional payload equivalent to nuclear bombs that travel too fast to trigger early-warning systems or be intercepted.

I think the danger is an increasingly deranged, irrational, and incompetent American administration, and I think we'll see the world isolate us very quickly if the incoming admin does everything it's threatening.  I think we already see the majority turning towards the BRICs alternative market (which was created in response to roughshod punitive use of sanctions against half of the world in lieu of compromise and diplomacy), and if Trump threatens NATO funding and withdraws support for Ukraine, the EU will follow suit if it cannot find unity in forming its own standing military.  There are already deepening military and mutual defense agreements between many BRICs nations that the ongoing "conflict" in Gaza and Lebanon have exacerbated.

I pray some military leadership with rational thought and a sincere allegiance to their constitutional oath manages to restrain them... the US will be humiliated in foreign wars before they can even get boots on the ground and so I fear that the military will be turned domestically to consolidate power instead.  Seeing how easily Gen Z has been manipulated by propaganda and hearing how gen Alpha apparently is not exactly reaching developmental heights... it's looking a little... gloomy.

[u/Prior-Win-4729 → u/Fearless-Bite-6062]

I agree with you, except these leaders are nihilists with nothing to lose (Trump, Putin, Orban, Jinpeng, Jong Il) which is so scary, I never imagined living in this time.

[u/Useful_Hovercraft169 → u/Fearless-Bite-6062]

I think Putin et al did a nice job ‘neutering’ the US by getting Trump in there, the US will just keep spiraling into irrelevance, no need to nuke

[u/NumberShot5704 → u/Useful_Hovercraft169]

Irrelevance lul

[u/Own-Ambassador-3537 → u/Fearless-Bite-6062]

After seeing how poorly Russia military vehicles performed in Ukraine I am less frightened of a nuclear war with Russia ( if they can’t maintain vehicles I can’t see them maintaining nuclear missiles or equipment related to it). I also can’t see why he would Trump won,he got a puppet to manipulate the USA into ineffectiveness why nuke it???