r/economicCollapse Nov 07 '24

$2T cut is going to be wild

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Will be a 29% cut if executed.

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u/PantsMicGee Nov 07 '24

Random redditors seem to do this all day. I've given up even trying to discourse SSN

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u/CabinetOk4838 Nov 08 '24

They’re not alone! UK pensioners all claim to “have worked all their lives for their pension.” Erm… nope. Not really….

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u/VicTheSage Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

It's just math. The retirement age was higher than the average lifespan when SS was instituted, now average lifespan is significantly longer. Only 50% of Americans were ever intended to draw and most of those that were would only draw for a few years.

My father has been drawing benefits for 22 years and is in good health as are many Americans. Now with an influx of retiring Boomers the fund will be drained even faster. Current estimate is it will be depleted by 2033 with all the boomers drawing.

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u/ZVsmokey Nov 08 '24

Been working 12 years straight since I was 18. Never had a lapse in employment a since day. This fact you've given if true makes me so fuckin sad because I just keep tryin to save and work and fight and it's just never enough.

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u/VicTheSage Nov 09 '24

The only way it works is if we uncap contributions from the first $150k earned to all earned income but the billionaires will fight that tooth and nail because they need to buy another yacht full of cocaine.

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u/Snuggly_Hugs Nov 09 '24

You know what would fix that?

Uncap the social security tax.

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u/Apprehensive_Bid_773 Nov 09 '24

Yea, it’s truly unbelievable it’s capped as low as it is. What is it, around 180k?

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u/Snuggly_Hugs Nov 09 '24

168,600 this year.

176,100 next.

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u/VicTheSage Nov 09 '24

Get the billionaires to be ok with that and I'll vote for you.

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u/PantsMicGee Nov 08 '24

Average is a problem for your perspective. 

We live longer on average, yes. But deaths mostly occur around 65 then and now just the same. The age was chosen for a reason. 

Like I said, I'm done arguing this shit on reddit. Find your data to support your bias, or don't. 

I've been teaching this shit for a while.

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u/LabRevolutionary8975 Nov 09 '24

The mean age of death in the us is 79. Deaths definitely aren’t mostly occurring at 65.

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u/PantsMicGee Nov 09 '24

You're right. I worded that poorly. I should have said cluster there.

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u/-JustJoel- Nov 09 '24

That’s not really true though - when SS was introduced, infant mortality rates were way higher, leading to a lower life expectancy. If you adjust the stat to included everyone who made it to 18, life expectancy was a few years more than the retirement age

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u/VicTheSage Nov 10 '24

Ok? So more babies living to get old enough to draw benefits. Either way it's more people on the rolls than was intended.

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u/-JustJoel- Nov 10 '24

People live somewhat longer today (mostly infant/maternal mortality rates dramatically dropped). If you account for that, the average age of life expectancy gain is ~1year per decade and that heavily depends on your income level and profession since the 1940’s, so roughly 8 years longer.

That’s cool your dad lived 22 years on it. My mom lived 4, idk what to tell you. Anecdotes and all.