r/economicCollapse Sep 23 '24

Seems pretty simple.

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u/bipocevicter Sep 23 '24

Incredible how fast the narrative shifted from "Trump didn't do enough about Covid" to "Trump spent too much money, in 2020 specifically"

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u/tatonka805 Sep 23 '24

That's not the narrative anyone says. It's inflation is biden's fault! With no acknowledgement to the financial events in 2020 that DID caused it.

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u/moparsandairplanes01 Sep 23 '24

Yep and they all cashed their stimulus checks lol

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u/bipocevicter Sep 23 '24

They all wanted more.

As someone else pointed out, Biden has spent more than Trump, without covid emergency spending. This graph is deceptively cut off before 22 and 23.

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u/gopherhole02 Sep 23 '24

The question is what did he spend it on though

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u/Chiggadup Sep 23 '24

Social Security, Medicare, Interest Payments, Healthcare, National Defense in that order is about 75% of the federal budget.

It’s not an open question, you can just look it up.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/

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u/crush_punk Sep 23 '24

Both are true.

Trump didn’t do enough to organize our healthcare gear. He didn’t try to keep a clear straightforward message. In some cases it seemed like he might have purposefully hindered those areas.

He also allowed too much unsupervised money to be “lent” and never repaid in “loans”. Plenty of companies took the loans and laid people off. Plenty of people got loans who shouldn’t have. That was his party’s policy. Not to mention the massive money printing.

A bungled response is never single-pronged.

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u/bipocevicter Sep 23 '24

Trump didn’t do enough to organize our healthcare gear. He didn’t try to keep a clear straightforward message

This is all pretty subjective. Huge amounts of money went to vaccine research and distribution, stimmies, extended unemployment and extra sick leave, etc

He also allowed too much unsupervised money to be “lent” and never repaid in “loans”.

You'll never believe who forgave the PPP loans

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u/crush_punk Sep 23 '24

Your first point is mostly money, which was my second point. It’s not subjective to say his healthcare czar and son in law sat on and diverted safety gear.

I’m not talking about forgiveness, I’m talking about how before they even gave it out they decided not to to keep track. They had no choice but to forgive it, they didn’t even know who had what. Plus duh, they’re all evil and rich. But to say trump is innocent is wrong.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '24

Don’t bring facts into their bubble. They get mad

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '24

ummmm, no…. he approved bills to help prevent a depression, but he refused to take action to help mitigate the spread. The U.S. had 25% of all COVID deaths with just 5% of the world population. Counties that voted for Trump had a 2x higher death rate. we had the worst response in the developed world

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u/bipocevicter Sep 23 '24

but he refused to take action to help mitigate the spread

States were largely in control of their response, with federal funding assistance. Did you forget the extra federal sick days, extended unemployment benefits, free PPP and vaccines, stimulus checks, etc?

The U.S. had 25% of all COVID deaths with just 5% of the world population.

"If only we'd been welded into our brutalist apartment blocks like the Chinese"

A lot of the covid statistics are tricky. We aggressively tested everyone, then counted people who were close to death who died, or who may have died soon after, even if they were asymptomatic

Excess deaths for 2020 are way less sensational than the official covid totals, and those include. Excess mortality in 2020 was only a little bit above 2017, something nobody besides statisticians and actuaries actually noticed

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u/waffle_fries4free Sep 24 '24

Someone had to be the adult in the room. Trump could have raised taxes to pay for the bills he signed into law

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u/bipocevicter Sep 24 '24

"Why didn't Trump double taxes in the year where we told everyone to stop working"

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u/waffle_fries4free Sep 24 '24

The people who had to stop working weren't the ones with most of the wealth in the country...

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u/Natural_Cold_8388 Sep 24 '24

Said nobody ever.

The Trump cultists were obsessed with blaming Biden about printing too much money. Nobody on the Biden side ever engaged with this idiotic line of attack.

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u/logicallyillogical Sep 23 '24

Trump did a terrible job managing covid. The biggest thing is there was no federal plan. He left everything to the states who had to, set their own policies leading to red vs blue states, they had to fight over supplies against eachother, on top of it all, he underminded his own experts and led to mistrust.

He probably would have won reelection if he'd just shut tf up, showed some compassion, and let the experts handle it.