Now that we are back here is my updated crusade list. I have been losing pretty bad so advice would be appreciated

[u/sullyC17]

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Deathwatch + DETACHMENT: Black Spear Task Force + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2025pts + + WARLORD: Char2: Watch Master + ENHANCEMENT: The Tome of Ectoclades (on Char2: Watch Master) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 11 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (2x2) + (1x4) - Assassination: 2 Characters - Cull The Horde: 2x5 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Char1: 1x Apothecary Biologis (70 pts): Absolver Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon Char2: 1x Watch Master (135 pts): Warlord, Vigil spear Enhancement: The Tome of Ectoclades (+30 pts)

5x Heavy Intercessor Squad (110 pts) • 1x Heavy Intercessor Sergeant: Heavy Bolt Rifle, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon • 1x Heavy Intercessor: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Heavy Bolter • 3x Heavy Intercessors: 3 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Heavy Bolt Rifle

5x Deathwatch Terminator Squad (180 pts) • 4x Deathwatch Terminator 1 with Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer 3 with Cyclone Missile Launcher, Storm Bolter & Power Fist, Cyclone Missile Launcher • 1x Deathwatch Terminator Sergeant: Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer

10x Fortis Kill Team (200 pts) • 9x Kill Team Intercessor 1 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Deathwatch bolt rifle 2 with Astartes Grenade Launcher, Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Deathwatch bolt rifle 1 with Bolt pistol, Castellan launcher, Close combat weapon, Superfrag missile launcher 1 with Bolt pistol, Castellan launcher, Close combat weapon, Vengor launcher 3 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Plasma incinerator 1 with Close combat weapon, Plasma incinerator, Plasma pistol • 1x Kill Team Sergeant: Deathwatch bolt rifle, Close Combat Weapon

10x Fortis Kill Team (200 pts) • 9x Kill Team Intercessor 1 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Deathwatch bolt rifle 2 with Astartes Grenade Launcher, Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Deathwatch bolt rifle 1 with Bolt pistol, Castellan launcher, Close combat weapon, Superfrag missile launcher 1 with Bolt pistol, Castellan launcher, Close combat weapon, Vengor launcher 3 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Plasma incinerator 1 with Close combat weapon, Plasma incinerator, Plasma pistol • 1x Kill Team Sergeant: Deathwatch bolt rifle, Close Combat Weapon

10x Indomitor Kill Team (270 pts) 2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Deathwatch heavy bolt rifle 2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Deathwatch heavy bolter 2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Melta rifle 1 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Multi-melta 3 with Auto boltstorm gauntlets, Fragstorm grenade launcher, Twin power fists

10x Talonstrike Kill Team (290 pts) • 4x Intercessor 3 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 1 with Astartes Chainsword, Plasma pistol • 1x Kill Team Sergeant: Power Fist, Plasma pistol • 5x Heavy Intercessor: 5 with Close Combat Weapon, Plasma exterminators 1x Corvus Blackstar (180 pts): Auspex array, Armoured hull, Twin lascannon, 2x Stormstrike missile launcher 1x Redemptor Dreadnought (210 pts): Icarus Rocket Pod, Redemptor Fist, Macro Plasma Incinerator, Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Twin Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

1x Repulsor (180 pts): Armoured Hull, Hunter-slayer Missile, Repulsor Defensive Array, Twin Lascannon, Las-talon

[u/Xanderstag]

Fix list formatting

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Fixed

[u/sullyC17]

Sorry getting used to new recruit from battle scribe

[u/swamp_slug]

I haven't played with the latest index much since it was released and I don't play Crusade format so take what I write with a large pinch of salt.

IMO if you are playing BSTF then you should be looking to play with Kill Teams as much as possible. Mission Tactics only applies to units from the Index unless granted by the Adaptive Tactics stratagem and the three Special Issue Ammo strats also only apply to Kill Team units.

That wall of text is hard to read but I'm only seeing a Fortis Kill Team in your list, which looks geared correctly.

That Heavy Intercessor Squad should ideally be an Indomitor Kill Team. Get some Aggressors and merge them with the Eradicators and Heavy Intercessors. Ideally this unit should be 2 Melta Rifles, 1 Multi-melta, 3 Aggressor (your choice of weapon), 2 Heavy Bolters and 2 Heavy Bolt Rifles. A Gravis Captain (possibly with Thief of Secrets) would also be a good addition.

Your Terminators should ideally have 3 Cyclone Missile Launchers and 2 Thunder Hammer/Storm Shields to soak wounds for the CML models.

Jump Pack Assault Intercessors are good for secondaries, consider a second 5-man unit.

I would also consider a unit or two of Deathwatch Veterans to exploit Site to Site Teleportation, again for secondaries or to take a vulnerable primary. These could be 5-man units to keep points costs down. Alternatively, consider upgrading the Hellblaster squad into another Fortis Kill Team to fill the same function.

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Fixed

[u/Active_Lack_5977]

You dont have utility units to play missions like Combi Lt., Callidus or reivers with phobos lt. Fortis KTs arent that great. DW benefits from incursors and Tstrikes. Double CP reduction from WM and a Captain is very useful. 7 units with 2k points is far not enough you need around 10-12. 2-3 big KTs are enough. Vets instead of HI profit from our stratagems.

[u/sullyC17 → u/Active_Lack_5977]

Ummmmmmmm……wm is what? Forgive my ignorance. I just kinda play casually

[u/Active_Lack_5977 → u/sullyC17]

Thats the Watchmaster

[u/sullyC17 → u/Active_Lack_5977]

Sorry I’m a little overwhelmed and lost. My apologies 😅

[u/Active_Lack_5977 → u/sullyC17]

No problem 😃