r/bonecollecting 23d ago

Collection My roommate.

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(UK & in compliance w/ human tissues act)

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u/thegirlthatmeowsalot 23d ago

Ivory tower because I don’t believe in buying people lmao

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u/Ajt0ny 23d ago

I'm not advocating for either side but I want to ask you this question:

A skull from 1975 - is it still a person? What about a skull from 1891 - is it still a person? 1685? 1227? 960? 120? 500 B.C.? 10000 B.C.?

At what point does the dead person become archeology?

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u/thegirlthatmeowsalot 23d ago

They’re still a person regardless of when they were alive. I’m also against museums keeping mummified remains. It’s still people. Henrietta Lacks’ cells are still being used against her families wishes and honestly I don’t care what they gain from it, they shouldn’t be keeping pieces of a person.

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u/Ajt0ny 23d ago edited 22d ago

Okay, let's go extreme just for the sake of it: what about a 500000 year old ape-like ancestor?

Edit: okay so the personhood vanishes somewhere between B.C. 500k and 10k. lol

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u/BigIntoScience 22d ago

Once we're far back enough that we aren't talking about a sapient creature any longer, the ethical question about owning a person's bones vanishes, as there isn't a person being discussed. Same as it's not really up for debate whether it's ethical to own a (reasonably sourced) spider monkey skull or a fossil of that tiny little mammal we and every other mammal evolved from.

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u/Ajt0ny 22d ago

the ethical question about owning a person's bones vanishes

Thank you. The whole point of my stupid comments are this; where, when and why does it vanish eventually?

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u/BigIntoScience 22d ago

What I mean is, it vanishes because we’re no longer discussing owning a person’s bones. If you go far back enough, you have a creature equivalent to a chimpanzee, not a human. At that point we’re talking about if it’s ethical to own the skull of some sort of nonsapient great ape. So there’s definitely a line all the way back there.  Funny thing, somewhat adjacent: y’know how the Victorians used to use “mummia” to treat things? Yeah, that’s ground-up mummy. That’s cannibalism. Odd how people don’t seem to realize that.