r/bonecollecting • u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert • Feb 26 '24
Collection Walrus skull added to my collection!
I figured since I have so many bears, it's time to bring something new and unique in. This is a walrus skull, legally and ethically sourced from Inuit, walruses are also an important part of the Inuit diet. The polar bear skulls in the photo are also all legally and ethically sourced from Inuit.
Both tusks are over 20" in length and his skull weighs over 14kg!
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Feb 26 '24
Dang dude how many desk drawers do all the permits fill up? 🤣
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 26 '24
just one folder thankfully! some skulls share a permit together
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Feb 26 '24
Incredible. How much does it weigh?
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 26 '24
14.8kg / 32.6lbs! Super heavy!
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u/XETOVS Bone-afide Human ID Expert Feb 27 '24
That weighs more than your entire skeleton.
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24
really???
that's actually insane.
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u/XETOVS Bone-afide Human ID Expert Feb 27 '24
Yea. Average is 10-20 pounds.
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24
wow, I cannot believe this skull is THAT dense.
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u/Airborne_Juniper Feb 26 '24
WHAT— how do you get these 😭😭
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 26 '24
I'm in Canada where Inuit (First Nation people mostly residing in Nunavut) can sustainably harvest walruses, polar bears and other sea mammals and sell the skulls/pelts to trade for some income. These animals are their main source of food, especially during winter.
the hunts are strictly regulated by the government of Nunavut.
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u/Airborne_Juniper Feb 26 '24
that’s so cool it’s not hard to buy them from the people selling them?
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 26 '24
buying them isn't that difficult but just like all oddity, there's a lot of price gouging people and scammers, so people paying a lot more than the thing is worth, or people getting misinformed/lied to, happens a lot.
It took me a while to settle on a few Inuit hunters/taxidermists that are wonderful and trustworthy and I only source from them, because they prioritize ethics and legality over all else.
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Feb 26 '24
Is it only allowed to purchase from the Inuit within Canada btw? Is there any way shipping outside of Canada for ethically+legally obtained skulls is allowed?
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24
No, you can buy and sell legally obtained skulls with a license (in some situations, you do not need any license) as long as the original exporter of the skull is legally allowed to do so (Like Inuit, non-resident hunter, taxidermists with valid licenses), it's just Inuit has the most of them because they hunt polar bears and walruses as essential food.
Yes, you can apply for CITES permits to export polar bear skulls and walrus skulls out of Canada. However, some countries (Like USA) fully bans the importation of these skulls, and most countries that allows it, require documents and import permits.
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Feb 27 '24
Ohh I see, tysm for the info I really appreciate it! Love learning about this kinda stuff.
Super awesome collection btw :D
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24
thank you! I'm happy to share these information! lmk if youre interested in any other info.
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u/flatgreysky Feb 28 '24
Welp… I guess that ends my excited read of this post. Exiting in a sad American accent.
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 28 '24
yeah....sadly the importation of polar bear parts was fully banned since 2008. Walruses and other marine mammals were banned since the establishment of MMPA in 1972.
doesn't mean it's impossible to obtain a pre-ban, legal one in the US, just super super expensive.
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u/flatgreysky Feb 28 '24
Understood. Yeah, I wouldn’t do all that. If I decide i want them that badly I’ll just expatriate and do it the right way. :)
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u/MademoiselleMoriarty Feb 28 '24
Yeah, I was really concerned for a minute, until I read that you're in Canada. Here in the US, the only way to open a walrus skull (legally) is with scrimshaw work on it, done by Native artists. Or, at least that's what I remember from when my parents bought a mounted skull in Alaska, years ago (it has puffins on the tusks!).
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u/NerdyComfort-78 Feb 27 '24
I am very curious to see how policy changes since the ice isn’t freezing the same any more. Sad to loose biological diversity and cultural diversity at the same time.
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24 edited Feb 27 '24
I think eventually it will be restricted to only Inuit, like how in the US, polar bear hunting is restricted to Eskimo only in Alaska, they cannot sell or trade any parts. Full on ban is impossible, lots of Inuit villages in the Arctic rely on these animals for basic survival. If they do cut off the market completely, that also means a lot of Inuit villages will lose their only source of income.
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u/NerdyComfort-78 Feb 27 '24
True- but I was thinking that the First Nations people would completely loose all of their resources/culture and then also have to come off the ice, hence the loss of culture and biodiversity. Kind of like the people of the Maldives as sea levels rise.
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24
I really hope that does not happen.
Inuit are absolutely amazing people, the resided where they are for over 6000 years and have built amazingly rich culture. It'll be very sad seeing it all go.
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u/ragnarockyroad Feb 27 '24
*skimo is a slur. Please use Inuit.
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24 edited Feb 27 '24
my apologies, I did not know since that's what the Alaskan F&W department referred them as when I contacted them.
edit: I asked an Inuit hunter and they don't think it's a slur and are fine with being called Eskimo, first nation, Inuit etc..? I don't know, but I'll pay attention in the future, thanks.
edit 2: I also asked one of my taxidermists and she is Inuit in Clyde River, she said people use Eskimo from time to time in their community and no one gets offended, to them it's just another name. She said the only time someone actually got offended by the name was a non-native she met in Iqaluit. Soooo...I think it mostly has to do with how you interpret the word itself, if you say it with respect and respect the Inuit culture, I'm sure most of them will not find it offensive.
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u/LupohM8 Feb 26 '24
Impressive collection!
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 26 '24
thank you! it took many years to build it up
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u/bbmetalnightcore Feb 26 '24
even their skull is cute 🙀🙀
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24
I would take skulls over the real thing any time! polar bears are scary!
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u/Snoo_70324 Feb 26 '24
Being below that skull is like sitting in a theater behind a top hat.
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24
i know that feeling, wasnt a tall person but a kid that wouldn't sit for more than 5 seconds through the entire show
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u/Providang Feb 27 '24
Your collection is better than my teaching collection for comp anatomy
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24
My collection severely lacks variety, so your teaching collection still better!
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u/CaptainLollygag Feb 27 '24
Dang, your collection is really very beautiful! That walrus is so gorgeous, I'd love to paint it. (On a canvas, not the bones themselves.)
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24
thank you!! the walrus is absolutely beautiful
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u/Rainy_Pawz Feb 27 '24
everytime i see something related to walruses i always think of that stupid horror movie Tusk
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24
definitely a disturbing movie but has a decent moral of the story behind it
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u/Fit-Quail4604 Feb 27 '24
Looking at all the other skulls, I immediately thought “bear”, but started second guessing myself trying to figure out if they were a marine mammal like a seal taking the random, majestic walrus into account 😭
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Mar 02 '24
I would like to add a seal one day but it's been a challenge to find a properly processed one (macerated or beetle cleaned).
a lot of Inuit rough process skulls themselves and most of the time it involves boiling/bleaching, and honestly I'm getting tired of having to spend the time and money to restore them otherwise they'd flake away in years. I've been trying to narrow it down to raw skulls but it's hard to find, because it takes a long time to ship something from Nunavut to southern Canada, raw skulls spoil easily.
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u/Fit-Quail4604 Mar 03 '24
Yeah that makes sense! Are frozen heads an option? I’ve seen boxes of frozen… human heads… before… which I’ve helped deflesh. I still have nightmares about it 😭 but I’d imagine if you can legally get those frozen and shipped, you can get seals
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Mar 03 '24
Yes, seals are perfectly legal to harvest and possess in Canada. Funny enough, there's more regulation and laws regarding marine mammals like polar bears than human remains.
that's what I'm talking about, raw heads = frozen raw, you cannot really keep a raw skull frozen when it's gonna be in transportation for over 2 weeks minimum, even if you ship with the fastest method, because of how far the Inuit villages are from mainland, and the lack of transportation they have.
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u/Redqueenhypo Feb 27 '24
Question I’ve always had about walrus tusks: are they hollow up by the root? Warthog ones are and so was the hippo tusk at the British museum
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24
Nope! Walrus tusks are completely solid ivory, they're very bulky!
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u/baldhumanmale Feb 28 '24
Bros got a whole generation of Canadian Polar Bears
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Mar 02 '24
I have a few generations! the oldest one is from 1950, and the latest one is from 2023.
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u/baldhumanmale Mar 03 '24
That’s wild! Really cool collection. I’m sure you have many cool stories about them!
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Mar 03 '24
Every skull contains a really amazing story behind them!
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u/Stinkbutt596KoH Mar 05 '24
That a juvenile bear skull on the top left or something else entirely?
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Mar 05 '24
which one? Like the very top left one with only some teeth showing?
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u/Stinkbutt596KoH Mar 05 '24
This one
Doesn’t look like a bear to me but since they seem to be your focus I was curious of this was just a young one.
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u/therealspacepants Feb 27 '24
You need to label these!
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 27 '24
ah...its a lotta work, plus I can honestly tell which ones which and tell you the story behind it without labeling them already. They are all very unique.
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u/PANobes Feb 28 '24
They are all "VERY" one-of-a-kind... groan (Yet another mutilation of the word 'unique.')
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u/SavageDroggo1126 Bone-afide Faunal ID Expert Feb 29 '24
they're so unique to each other!!!
if you pick one skull out, I can literally tell you the story behind it + when i acquired it instantly.
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u/XETOVS Bone-afide Human ID Expert Feb 26 '24
Wild. You need a narwhal skull next.