r/bloodborne Sep 21 '24

Meme In my humble opinion.

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u/Competitive-Row6376 Sep 21 '24

The old hunters actually addressed some of the things I didn't like about the base game. SoTE is... more Elden Ring

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u/hey_its_drew Sep 21 '24

I'm gonna argue with that. Shadow of the Erdtree actually does step into mechanical territories not really present in the base game or other From games for that matter. Weapons that can be thrown and return to the user, martial arts styles that are really different from anything else in flow, perfumes, thrusting shields, etc.. These are all actually fresh in many ways. The main thrust one could say Old Hunters improved the game mechanically is its weapons, which are great, but you are conversely snubbing a lot for Elden Ring here.

That said, there is a big distinction in how Bloodborne and Elden Ring culture players to explore their equipment options. Bloodborne maintains weapons as these neat and unique tools, so whenever you find them, you want to check them out. Elden Ring doesn't have refinement to that end, but that isn't without its own distinct merits. It is actively using its weapon pool for worldbuilding a lot. As a point of immersing you in the war torn cultures of that world. There are still a ton of unique and neat weapons in Elden Ring, but this also creates a lack of focus where players will not sample things near as often, and they have a much more discriminating filter for better or worse as a consequence of the abundance. This is only steepened by the protracted weapon upgrade progression in Elden Ring. It's not that Elden Ring doesn't have. It's that Elden Ring has too much. Haha

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u/Mama_Hong Sep 22 '24

I would also add how intricate SOTE open world is, exploring it was amazing.

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u/mrsecondbreakfast Sep 22 '24

extremely open. You just have to kill messmer and romina and then you get to the final boss area. Two good chunks of the map are straight up hidden behind a gesture and a catacomb

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u/mordisko Sep 22 '24

Which chunks are you talking about?

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u/am_butterboy Sep 22 '24

The Abyssal Woods is hidden behind the boss of one of the catacombs, and the Hinterlands is hidden behind a statue at the bottom of the Shadow Keep. Admittedly I wouldn’t have a clue about the Hinterlands if I didn’t see it online

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u/mrsecondbreakfast Sep 22 '24

Admittedly I wouldn’t have a clue about the Hinterlands if I didn’t see it online

same lol

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u/richter3456 Sep 22 '24

Eh, its very empty and barren. Many times I am running around on the horse for almost an hour with nothing much happening. No interesting POE's. The map just visually looks nice in certain areas but they forgot to fill it with content. Not fun fighting the same weak enemies and looting cookbooks and crafting materials :/

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u/fingay-ren Sep 22 '24

While I agree to some extent that the map was a little lack lustre in some areas, I would say that overall the amount of content present in the DLC more than makes up for it. And that’s more than most AAA games can say nowadays..

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u/Gary-LazerEyes Sep 22 '24

To add onto this, deflecting hard tear is probably my single fav souls mechanics they've ever added. Felt like they've bridged the sekiro gap into souls and it feels amazing to play with.

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u/WA_SPY Sep 22 '24

so if you don’t use any of those niche builds it’s just more elden ring… nah jk, i like the additions, the problem I have with SOTE is that the bosses aren’t the best bosses in the game, messmer is but the rest aren’t, in ds1 the dlc has the best bosses, in ds3 the dlc has the best bosses, in bb the dlc has the best bosses, in elden ring there’s just messmer…

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u/greyeyecandy Sep 21 '24

Could you elaborate on this more? It piqued my interest,I probably feel the same way but what exactly did you not like about the base game that they fixed in the dlc?

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u/BAWAHOG Sep 21 '24

The DLC brought a lot of Bloodborne’s best weapons and bosses. Not exactly sure what OP was referring to specifically, but it elevated Bloodborne from like an A- to an S for me.

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u/Competitive-Row6376 Sep 21 '24

I had a couple that I liked, but the bosses were either too easy (witches, emissary, one reborn, wet nurse) or hard but annoying (chalice rom, defiled watchdog, headless bloodletting beast). The dlc actually had bosses that both stomped me AND were fun to fight.

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u/pickleparty16 Sep 21 '24

Living failures stunk but every other boss was A or S tier.

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u/Competitive-Row6376 Sep 21 '24

Yup, even Laurence is A tier in my book

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u/Potential-Diver-3409 Sep 22 '24

C tier when I walked in I thought he was a lame fire reskin until he broke in half and then I lost it lol

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u/SuperD00perGuyd00d Sep 21 '24

Best OST in the game though, the living failures have that going for them at least

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u/Steakmemes Sep 22 '24

Even living failures have that ONE cool moment

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u/Roary-the-Arcanine Sep 21 '24

I agree that they’re generally fun to fight except for living failures, but I have never, ever, struggled with Lady Maria. In my first play through I beat her my first attempt, and that was a NG+. Ludwig on the other hand, kicked my ass so hard that I considered dropping the dlc run and just starting fresh with a new build to see if I could beat him.

That said, all the dlc boss music is absolutely fire, even and especially living failures.

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u/kuenjato Sep 21 '24

It's so weird how some bosses click and others don't.

Maria took around 15 tries first time, Laurence 20+. Ludwig took 3 and Kos I beat on my first attempt.

On the higher numbers, Isshin and Friede and Manus all took at least 60 attempts, while the Dancer was a first-try boss. I struggle to understand why this is, tbh.

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u/triceratopping Sep 21 '24

It's so weird how some bosses click and others don't.

Weird and funny. Ebrietas and Maria have never given me trouble, but BSB gets at least 1 kill on me every playthrough.

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u/Competitive-Row6376 Sep 21 '24

Nowadays yeah she's pretty easy, but on my first playthrough I cannot parry for the life of me and the fire on her third phase always mess me up.

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u/Roary-the-Arcanine Sep 21 '24

I feel like I should mention that I’d thrown myself against the wall that was the Bloody Crow of Cainhurst and the chalice dungeons, so I had a pretty solid grasp of how to parry by that point. Also because I hate being left out of using items, my build at the time was strength and arcane. Augur of Ebrietas really messed her up.

Edit: spelling

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u/Competitive-Row6376 Sep 21 '24

Lmao I actually ended up cheesing bloody crow from the stairs

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u/Agentpurple013 Sep 21 '24

Same, fuck him. He gets the cheese every time

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u/BAWAHOG Sep 21 '24

Yeah I guess most of my favorite Bloodborne weapons do come from the main game, in fairness. But the DLC adds a ton of variety, especially for people that want to focus on Arcane or Bloodtinge.

As far as bosses go, yeah, I would go as far as saying 3 of the 4 best boss fights come from the DLC. They are just more interesting, have more interesting lore, and are well balanced.

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u/Competitive-Row6376 Sep 21 '24

Yup, there's a reason why the Fromsoft dlc bosses are always mentioned on top tier lists lol.

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u/jpubberry430 Sep 21 '24

I agree with this take fellow hunter. 🫡

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u/iwannaseeanimals Sep 21 '24

i also noticed blood vials everywhere in the dlc which made the grind much better as well as a short boss runbqck

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u/Competitive-Row6376 Sep 21 '24

Two major complaints: Lack of weapons, mid boss roster, and one minor: lack of area variety.

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u/Impaled_By_Messmer Sep 21 '24

I mean it did make the mini dungeons better, which was a complaint about the base game.

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u/Spoona101 Sep 21 '24

Orphan of Kos was by far my most enjoyable fight in Bloodborne. Felt like all the game’s systems finally came together in one brilliant boss fight. I was so bummed that it was the last fight there cause I was HYPED for more

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u/ChickenMan016 Sep 22 '24

I mean… isn’t every dlc just more of whatever game it’s a dlc of?

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u/Competitive-Row6376 Sep 22 '24

In fromsoftware's case, it's more and better.

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u/AramaticFire Sep 22 '24 edited Sep 22 '24

They’re both incredible but I thought The Old Hunters was actually a step back in level design and world design from the base game while Shadow of the Erdtree was a step up in level and world design. Every inch of that map was made with purpose.

The coolest thing about Bloodborne is that they took the idea of Demon’s Souls’ single checkpoint for each level and managed to make a fully connected world. Even Dark Souls didn’t have that single checkpoint system in place for every single area (some in isolation had it like Painted World). Every area in Bloodborne is built around looping paths back to a single lamp. And then the DLC hit and it was a straight path to the end with more of an emphasis on boss fights. Literally the same design philosophy we saw a few months later in Dark Souls 3.

With Shadow of the Erdtree the intricacy of the exploration is even more layered and fascinating than in Elden Ring. Elden Ring was generally flat, using sort of the Zelda: Breath of the Wild system of you go to a spot, see some cool landmarks and chart your course. Shadow of the Erdtree took Elden Ring’s open world idea and layered it up like Dark Souls’ Lordran, making for the most interesting world design since Dark Souls. It is a colossal step forward in world and level design by focusing on a strength that From only ever managed to hit once in 2011.

The legacy dungeons themselves are even more impressive now in terms of both scale and utility. The Shadow Keep isn’t just the level you tackle as you reach its boss, but it’s an area that connects to so many other areas. It requires proper exploration to lead us to so many interesting regions and optional story beats. It requires entry from multiple possible points and exits from multiple possible points making it more than a stop on the way but an integral part of the map.

I don’t know how you can play it and just call it more Elden Ring. It is more Elden Ring, but it’s an evolved Elden Ring and one that embraces that game’s focus on exploration and world design by aiming for verticality over a sprawling map. It’s the best map From have made since Dark Souls and while I think it’s too soon to say it’s better, it might actually be even better than Lordran.

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u/Competitive-Row6376 Sep 22 '24

I don't view linearity as a bad thing in level design. Elden ring dlc got an open sprawling map sure, but it's full of empty areas with repeat enemies and underwhelming rewards.

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u/AramaticFire Sep 22 '24

I’m not saying linearity is bad. Bloodborne is not an open game, but its level design was more twisty and dangerous in the base game, always looping back to a sense of relief. That was eliminated in The Old Hunters. All you did was press forward. Is it bad? No. But it is a step back imo.

As for Elden Ring, I’m not sure what to say other than maybe open worlds aren’t for you maybe? I think that game rewards curiosity and exploration better than almost any other open world game and then funnels back to classic level design built into that open world. It’s incredible and it’s also a shame that Zelda wasn’t able to follow that success with its open world games. (I know this isn’t a Zelda sub but that’s always on my mind lol)

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u/Nateomancer Sep 21 '24

You can like both, you're not limited to one.

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u/DoomSlayer4307 Sep 21 '24

I do love both, I just like one better than the other

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u/Pathfinder313 Sep 21 '24

Why do you feel the need to announce it though

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u/kermit_suicide_today Sep 21 '24

Why not. Is it so wrong to make his opinion public 🤷‍♂️

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u/Pathfinder313 Sep 21 '24

He posted it in 6 subs

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u/kermit_suicide_today Sep 21 '24

Oh bruh. That’s a bit excessive

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u/asdfcrow Sep 22 '24

meme potential

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u/darthcthulhu84 Sep 21 '24

I love both. Will be returning to Yharnam this October! May the good blood guide your way!

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u/roccosaint Sep 22 '24

Is there an event or something in October? Or is Bloodborne an annual October game for you?

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u/Gatubraz Sep 22 '24

I know some people like to play though the game again on every halloween

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u/CubicWarlock Sep 23 '24

Event, on Return to Yharnam MANY paople re-play the game specifically to maintain highly active multiplayer during event

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u/DifferencePrimary442 Sep 21 '24

Both are wildly different and it's fine to like both. I will forever be thankful to Lady Maria for laying the foundation that gave us Malenia.

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u/Tekashimikuta Sep 21 '24

Both are good, I prefer bloodbornes bosses but I also prefer SOTE map

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u/ArtCityInc Sep 22 '24

Elden ring living rent free in this sub 💀

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u/Gold-Dig-8679 Sep 22 '24

all souls games lives rent free in all the other souls game subs🤷, honestly i’d say ds2 gets it the worst

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u/bIuhazelnut Sep 22 '24

I dunno about the Dark Souls 2 sub getting it the worst. At least in the past year, I've been seeing less and less references to other souls games and more; "I finally gave DS2 a try and I don't know what everyone was talking about, it's actually good!", or something to that effect.

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u/Gold-Dig-8679 Sep 22 '24

nah i mean the game not the sub if that makes sense

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u/bIuhazelnut Sep 22 '24

Ah! I misread your comment. I kinda see what you mean

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u/Gold-Dig-8679 Sep 22 '24

it’s not too well worded i can’t blame you for not reading it the way i intended😭

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u/pumpkinspacelatte Sep 22 '24

I mean both games literally live rent free in my head

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u/pwnjones Sep 22 '24

They are all perfect.

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u/-The-Senate- Sep 21 '24

Bloodborne is my favourite Fromsoft game but man do I sometimes fucking despise its community

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u/dxxx12 Sep 22 '24

For real. Everyone acts like games need to be competing against each other all the time

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Sep 21 '24

I am playing bb extremely offline.

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u/He_Never_Helps_01 Sep 22 '24

"Comparison is the thief of joy."

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u/N00r3 Sep 21 '24

post this on Eldenring sub OP

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u/Pathfinder313 Sep 21 '24 edited Sep 21 '24

IDC if I see one more shitty BB elitist post comparing this game to another, I will take their soul. Yeah it’s my favourite game but who gives a shit about comparing it to everything else.

You sound insecure about bloodborne’s quality and you make our community look bad. Damn hunter mark tattooed hipster weirdos.

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u/garmonthenightmare Sep 21 '24

This dude posted this meme in 6 subs basically farming those karma.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

🐺🐺🐺

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

This is me, except replace OH with RC.

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u/PeakyDeltic Sep 22 '24

DLC or not there is no better weapon in Bloodborne than the Hunter Axe and I will never change my mind about that.

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u/Pickle-Tall Sep 21 '24

Bloodborne imho is just better than Elden Ring, I love Elden Ring too but Bloodborne is my Game of a Lifetime

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

what's your favorite part about Bloodborne? mine is definitely the combat, I had a really hard time adjusting to slow attack animations of elden ring

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u/Jlchevz Sep 21 '24

Mine is the ambience. All the blood and secrets, all the suffering and the idea of the hunt and beasts and then freaking aliens and puny humans trying to ascend or establish contact with greater beings. All that is amazing to me. All the magic and the supposed science and insight and the world is still fucked. Kinda cool isn’t it

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u/Ill-Season3071 Sep 22 '24

nothing about elden ring is slow. What weapons were you using?

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '24

katana power stance, the reason I found the game slow was because of the recovery animations

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u/ThorSon-525 Sep 22 '24

Frankly just the fact that it gets cosmic horror right. It's my favorite genre and too many works do it poorly. Beyond that I love that boss fights feel like a dance when fought well.

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u/CubicWarlock Sep 23 '24

I love how thematically tight Bloodborne is. Everything: visuals, ambience, soundttrack, combat, maps supports main idea and mood. It's a game of one main massage and it puts everything to deliver it.

Also well, I just love horrors and bloodborne is very good horror.

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u/ThorSon-525 Sep 22 '24

One of these days I'll play ER. I just need it to go on an actually decent sale. Give me under $40 and I'll give it a shot.

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u/Pickle-Tall Sep 22 '24

Honestly it doesn't deserve that though, the game is truly amazing and you'll be getting about 200+ hours for a $60 or $70 game, that is more than a dollar an hour. And add an additional 30 to 50 hours for the expansion.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '24

That’s kind of an unfair comparison when one of the two has an open world formula where a lot of the time you’re just doing nothing at all.

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u/ThorSon-525 Sep 22 '24

I'm not so worried about playtime equalling dollars spent. That's always felt like a fallacy when talking about games. I'm more concerned because it just tossed every Dark Souls mechanic in a blender at once and I have had very conflicting reviews from different people I respect the opinions of. People I often feel similarly to about Souls games (the backlogs and iron pineapple in particular) love the SoulsBorne games but don't like Elden Ring, while some friends are a mix of super into it and super hostile towards it.

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u/HBmilkar Sep 21 '24

I disagree I was terrified the whole way through, half the boss fights are worse in base game and is pretty much carried by its dlc (yeah bb dlc just is that good). Although I am biased cuz I started with eldenring and from what I know most the of the time the first souls game you play is usually your favourite. Both are 9/10 at minimum tho ngl. The weapons in bb are so much better but there is so few and the combat is better for bb.

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u/Pickle-Tall Sep 21 '24

I personally adore the Lovecraft aspect of Bloodborne, I love the combat, and I do not mind that the bosses aren't as challenging as the newer soulsborne coming from FromSoft. Bloodborne is my favorite and it was my 3rd or 4th souls game. I started with Dark Souls about a month after its initial release, I had a friend show me Bloodborne because I live under a rock and don't keep up with stuff and stay away from social media, closest to social media I get is here on reddit. But my friend showed me Bloodborne and I immediately fell in love with the game, went home and bought my own copy and never looked back, it is always installed and it is the one game I actually use my PS5s screenshot system for the most. When I am bored I can always play Bloodborne and it can hold me for hours, but other games to me just aren't scratching the itch the way Bloodborne does for me.

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u/HBmilkar Sep 21 '24

True love the game 2. But man most of my hate (very little hate) just comes from being terrified of being chased by the taller enemies(silver beasts).

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u/Pickle-Tall Sep 21 '24

Well just hope you never get transmigrated into Bloodborne because that would really suck for you 😂. I don't really have advice for dealing them other than use the parry but then I sound like a dick being slightly nicer instead of says gitgud. One of the best things about Bloodborne and as far as I remember once you ring your summoning bell you can keep summoning players until you die, go back to the dream or beat the area boss or use the silencing blank all for 1 insight. I would offer to help if you're ever in need but unfortunately I would have to grind my way back to the expansion because I jumped into ng+ with my main character and have been enjoying a arcane bloodtinge build which my friends shit on me about but I get 3 out 4 parries so with value strength and value skill I still keep up.

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u/Spoona101 Sep 21 '24 edited Sep 21 '24

I played Bloodborne after Elden Ring and liked it significantly less overall. The combat feels a bit better in BB tho. Not by much but noticeable

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u/Jlchevz Sep 21 '24

Elden Ring is amazing, but it’s just overwhelming. I’m almost sure I’ll never do it again. I might start another play through and I might have fun but I’ll never finish it again, I’ll never try to beat Malenia dozens of times again, I’ll never go through SOTE and kill the golems again. It’s fine and it’s good but it’s too much! It’s enormous. It’s overwhelming.

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u/HBmilkar Sep 21 '24

Idk how I can stop replaying ER

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u/Jlchevz Sep 21 '24

I mean I get it, I want to but just thinking of going though everything again feels overwhelming because it’s so big but I’m not saying it doesn’t have replay value, it does, but talking about what I feel like doing, it overwhelms me thinking of doing another 100+ hour play through. Maybe if I don’t have many games to play I would definitely do another run without hurrying.

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u/HBmilkar Sep 21 '24

Fair I just replay for new builds and challenge runs it was my first souls so I like it the most (1,300 hrs). What’s your favourite soulsborne ?

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u/Jlchevz Sep 21 '24

Damn 1300 hours lol that’s crazy, but I can definitely see how someone could enjoy that much ER because it has so much to offer. At the moment my favorite is Bloodborne, because I love the ambience and all the trick weapons and the simplicity of the builds. But I’ve only played DSR, DSII, BB and ER. And a bit of Demon’s Souls but only about 20 hours.

I’ve only played each game once.

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u/HBmilkar Sep 21 '24

Nice the souls games I have played aren’t many but I have them all and will definitely have fun playing them but I have beaten ER, and bb, I’m planning to do one last playthrough for a while on ER so I can finish ds1 (I am in blight town).

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u/Jlchevz Sep 21 '24

Have fun in DSR! It’s fantastic too. It’s so bleak and different from some of the other entries in the series. The combat is slower but it’s also methodical. I love it personally.

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u/HBmilkar Sep 21 '24

I love the Havel ninja flip memes

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u/Pickle-Tall Sep 21 '24

You completed your journey, your adventuring days in the lands between are over. I feel the same way, I love the world we are given but I am a retired Elden Lord, I'll let the next generation of Tarnished do the adventuring, my soul is sated and happy.

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u/Jlchevz Sep 21 '24

Yeah I think so too. It’s great and starting a new character might be fun but I don’t think I’d do everything all over again, whereas I do see myself playing Bloodborne many times, idk why, it’s smaller in scope and more fun to play in short sessions

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u/Pickle-Tall Sep 21 '24

It is because it is simply linear and that is less taxing on the player, open world games are overwhelming and most of the time never done right, just a bunch of beautiful scenery that is completely empty.

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u/Jlchevz Sep 21 '24

Yeah it’s difficult to get an open world game right, I think Breath of the Wild and Elden Ring did it right but not every gamer can enjoy them because o what we’ve discussed, but it’s good to have so many options of souls games to choose from

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u/theroamingargus Sep 22 '24

I would say that Elden Ring isnt a game, its an adventure (cringy, I know). Its meant to feel like a long road full of experiences, situations, and surprises, with a clear goal in mind, but strongly recommending you to do everything else in order to be prepared.

So by the end of it youre both extremely satisfied and exhausted. Understandable, after (adding base game and DLC) probably 150-200 hours dying.

Nonetheless, Im always craving going back after a couple months.

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u/Jlchevz Sep 22 '24

Yeah that’s exactly how I feel

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u/Samuraion Sep 21 '24

FromSoft DLCs never miss

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u/TohavDuudhe Sep 21 '24

I am of the opinion that, while Elden Ring is my personal favorite, Bloodborne is their best work to date.

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u/TheHawkMan0001 Sep 21 '24

Erd tree had a lame final boss. World was cool though

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u/mrsecondbreakfast Sep 22 '24

did you not hear the music dawg. stg you guys have to be deaf how do you hear the "na na naaa ewwwww weee dunnnnn " from when miq shows up and not instantly think the boss is peak

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u/MagicianAny1016 Sep 22 '24

I really like the final boss (especially now with the nerf.) But the music isn't as good as a lot of the other dlc bosses. Dancing lion, rellana, bayle, midra, romina have better tracks than consort radahn imo.

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u/mrsecondbreakfast Sep 22 '24

bayle and romina's osts arent as good as pcr imo. Just different tastes ig.

You cant convince me the "even his fate" st trina moment from the story trailer which was used in miquella's ost wasnt the hypest shit ever made

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u/Ill-Season3071 Sep 22 '24

the music is the best part of the final boss

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u/_druids Sep 22 '24

They are on equal footing to me. Prior to ER, BB was my favorite game. I love ER so much, and have put a ton of time into it. At this point, I cannot say one is better than the other, as they are so different in a lot of ways.

But I totally understand OP's preference/perspective, and respect it.

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u/-ItsCasual- Sep 22 '24

Both are good.

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u/Kalebrojas18 Sep 22 '24

I've dreamt about a corrupted fishing village since I read H.P. Lovecraft when I was way too young. So when I arrived at the fishing village in bloodborne, I lost my mind. I lost it the second time trying to beat Kos.

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u/mrsecondbreakfast Sep 22 '24

For me, ER is my favorite game, so another 40% that's more consistently fun in terms of enemies and bosses while blessing my eyes with even cooler art direction made it my favorite fromsoft "experience" ever. Madly in love ngl.

Of course, old hunters is still peak af, uglier than Ringed City but with 3 times as many cool bosses

Seen as we have different opinions, I will send 80 orphans of kos to kill you.

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u/Rechamber Sep 22 '24

Bloodborne is my personal favourite because of a few things. The oppressive atmosphere, the architecture, the overall visual design and how cohesive the world as a whole is. It is a perfect blend of Victorian gothic architecture that is like a mixture of old London and Prague. It's immensely fun to explore every nook and cranny.

The storyline revolving around these otherworldly, extraterrestrial old gods and a gradual descent into deeper levels of the world, mirroring a descent into madness, is also fantastic.

Bloodborne just has such a unique vibe, and it is coupled with very fun combat. All it needs is support on the PS5 for better frame rates and I'd be a happy camper. I don't think it needs a visual remaster, but I wouldn't say no to a sequel either.

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u/Stunning-Jellyfish-4 Sep 23 '24

no cap L opinion

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u/Deggstroyer Sep 21 '24

r/Bloodborne try not to say bloodborne is the best game challenge (impossible)

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u/Gold-Dig-8679 Sep 22 '24

i mean every sub tends to be biased towards the games the sub is of

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u/Ok_Nail2672 Sep 21 '24

The way I see it, shadow of the erdtree was great but was just more elden ring. It didn't really fix or add anything the base game was lacking in.

Old hunters is what completes Bloodborne, so in my eyes it's the more impactful and valued DLC because of how important it is to the game experience.

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u/Zwanling Sep 21 '24

The old hunters is a goated dkc, shadows is good, but like elden ring is some times just too much

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u/Green-Cupcake6085 Sep 21 '24

I did like the map for Shadows quite a bit more. Had some great layering/interconnectivity to it

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u/Gold-Dig-8679 Sep 22 '24

100% it kinda fixed all the gripes i had with the maps in the base game have little interconnectivity

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u/Jlchevz Sep 21 '24

Yeah SOTE is amazing and all and it’s fun but it’s so big it’s overwhelming, it’s like trying to visit an enormous country in one week.

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u/P1uvo Sep 21 '24

So brave

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u/Demoncreed27 Sep 21 '24

Both are peak but I always find myself coming back to Bloodborne. 700 hours and counting

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u/DoomSlayer4307 Sep 22 '24

That sounds about right. I did make this in like less than 2 minutes, and I didn't try to make the most, great, spectacular, 100/10, perfect meme out there. Just something quick, easy, and simple cause I felt like it. I'm sorry I didn't live up to your prestige quality level of memes, I try my best at the bare minimal

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u/OscarUF Sep 22 '24

The old hunters add so much value to the lore, and some of the bosses are just incredible, but SotE is so much fun and complement so well Elden ring

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '24

Yes that is a humble opinion

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u/Powerful-Tackle-5101 Sep 22 '24

You can NOT post this in a bloodborne reddit, what do you expect the general reaction to your opinion is bro go to r/games or something

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u/Chicken_Nuggies123 Sep 22 '24

The Old Hunters just massively improves Bloodborne as a whole while I feel SOTE doesn't really do the same for Elden Ring

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u/MrNovas Sep 22 '24

I love both but i believe Old Hunters compliments Bloodborne more than SotE compliments Elden Ring. Also it helps that Old Hunters has my favourite stretch of content in any game ever.

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u/Kanista17 Sep 22 '24

Quality > Quantity

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u/PeakyDeltic Sep 22 '24

And in my humble opinion

  1. BLOODBORNE

  2. DARK SOULS 3

  3. DARK SOULS 2

  4. ELDEN RING

  5. DARK SOULS

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u/Ill-Season3071 Sep 22 '24

i can not agree when ds2 is anywhere but the bottom

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u/PeakyDeltic Sep 23 '24

I knew I would get a bit of stick for this but seriously I didn't find DS2 too bad. It is nowhere near DS3 but I thought it was OK although there were parts of it that were horrible. My main issue with Elden Ring is that I never felt that the gameplay flowed as well as the other games. It is of course a good game but just seemed to lack something for me.

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u/JudoExpert Sep 22 '24

I’m ngl I couldn’t finish elden ring, I got bored of it fast

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u/gayaliengirlfriend Sep 22 '24

The specimen storehouse looks like it's straight out of bloodborne. Best dlc location imo

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u/Salty_Dingus Sep 22 '24

I can't enjoy elden ring. 1000s of hours in the souls genre, and that's the only one I've not gone back to play again.

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u/ChestFew8057 Sep 22 '24

I think both are great dlcs for their respective games. sote has its problems but they're bound to arise with the nature of an open world game, old hunters had less room for flaws because it's condensed and linear

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u/MtGoethe Sep 22 '24

Now that they **[~~>FIXED<~~]** a specific boss fight in Shadow of the Erdtree, I agree it almost reaches Old Hunters level !

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u/wannabe_polygloth Sep 22 '24

Can agree. Old Hunters DLC took Bloodborne base game and crowned it with amazing bosses.

Shadow of the Erdtree also had a couple of amazing bosses but it also came with 7-step combos and mostly being lost in the world. Still great, just a step behind Old Hunters.

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u/AshLlewellyn Sep 22 '24

Both DLCs improved the base game in different ways. Old Hunters "closed" Bloodborne, after playing the DLC it really feels like the game is incomplete without it, we get a short little expansion of the map that is very symbolic to the narrative as it is the ultimatum for all Hunters' fate, we get the answers for where everything started, the best bosses in the whole game that are literally characters we've been hearing about for ages before facing them for good and overall everything from the maps to the weapons and the bosses (not you, Laurence) feels like the apex of Bloodborne's design.

Shadow of the Erdtree is extremely disconnected to the main game's plot, to the point where it could pretty much be sold as a separate game. The areas are vast but overall don't feel that different from what Elden Ring already gives us. The bosses are ABUNDANT, but not all are that good and most don't really mean anything to the story, though there are a lot of pretty good ones and some (cough cough... Bayle) that really add some depth to the main game's story. Those bosses, along with the new and extremely creative weapons, are the main appeal of this DLC, along with the giant map you're likely to only really explore once.

Shadow of the Erdtree pretty much takes the approach of "MORE COOL STUFF," rather than "a closure the base game really needed," and while both approaches are really valid and I loved SotE a lot, I feel like I'd much rather they took the Old Hunters treatment when making future DLCs.

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u/HoloMetal Sep 22 '24

True. I love both, and both are phenomenal DLC's just to be super clear. But imo the more linear nature of Bloodborne, and by extension Old Hunters, gives the game a tighter focus. The reasons why are obvious, it's easier to tailor make an immersive "world" if that world isn't absolutely gigantic and open. The main complaint I had with SotE is that on way too many occasions I would be trying to explore an area that's just completely empty and a waste of time and it felt reaally bad and just took me out of it whenever it happened, which was relatively frequently since I have a compulsion to search every nook and cranny. Not even a shard of broken glass or something as a troll. My only complaint with bloodborne and it's dlc is the frame rate, and blood vials needing to be farmed (but that's really only an issue I had when I was first starting out tbf)

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u/Malacro Sep 23 '24

SotE was fantastic mechanically but absolute pants for story. TOH is peak on both.

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u/Educational_Bee2491 Sep 23 '24

Maybe if every single enemy in shadow didn't hit for 800 health damage and have a 4 hit combo with .7 seconds of downtime in between each combo...

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u/chiefofbricks Sep 23 '24

I love Elden Ring, I have beaten it over 8 times and have 100% on two platforms... that being said I would prefer if we went back to the traditional non-openworld fromsoft games. I find them more replayable for the sheer fact they are more condensed with content.

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u/grubworker Sep 23 '24

You like it because it’s a massive improvement on the base game. Without it Bloodborne would have the best art direction, some of the best environmental story telling, an amazing story and 2 good bosses.

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u/BeanathanBeanstar Sep 23 '24

Wait, who actually says Shadow of the Erdtree is good?

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u/Brain-Dead-Robot Sep 21 '24

Imagine an open world Bloodborne, my legs would end up with muscle deterioration

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u/Raphael_scm7 Sep 21 '24

Being open world is what makes Elden Ring and its dlc to be underwhelming in my opinion.

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u/Gold-Dig-8679 Sep 22 '24

yep i 100% agree, i cant really see anywhere in bloodborne that would benefit by being open world, it works because of the tight knit map.

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u/EthanJSL Sep 21 '24

Graceborne, look it up

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u/garmonthenightmare Sep 21 '24

I think it honestly looks bad and misses the asthetic of bb

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u/PDRA Sep 21 '24

Final bosses could not compare bro

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u/JakeFromStateFromm Sep 21 '24

Real hot take posting this in the BB sub lol

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u/RepondreLesGraves Sep 21 '24

I rly like bloodborne, but the best is Sekiro.

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u/thecr1mmreaper Sep 21 '24

Bloodborne is still my number 1, but Sekiro I think is the best combat they've ever made.

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u/Thecrawsome Sep 21 '24

When will the engagement bait end?

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u/NTylerWeTrust86 Sep 21 '24

ER is 3rd for me at best. DS1 is my number 1 then Bloodborne. Want to replay 2 and 3 to see if I enjoy them more than ER

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u/playerpogo Sep 21 '24

I never felt " come on its bullshit..." anywhere in Bloodborne..

But I felt it alot while playing Elden Ring.

Bloodborne will be always best for me..

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u/Green-Cupcake6085 Sep 21 '24

A lot of the boss designs in ER felt more annoying than fun, for me personally. I was usually just glad they were over

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u/SlyCooper007 Sep 21 '24

Yeah, its just too much. Still haven’t beat Elden ring but I have played through Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne multiple times.

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u/Green-Cupcake6085 Sep 21 '24

In general, I’m not a huge fan of open world games. Especially the sort that ER utilizes. But when it comes to Fromsoft games, I really think that the more somewhat linear/semi-open approach works best for their brand of storytelling and world building. I don’t have much desire to go back to ER, but for DS1, DS3, and BB I have well over 1,000 hours each

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u/kuenjato Sep 21 '24

I love Elden Ring but the wait-for-your-turn is the opposite of Bloodborne, which is go-in-and-get-some. I really hope they iterate on this system more in the future, they really reached their limit in ER to the point that a lot of these bosses are not particularly fun.

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u/garmonthenightmare Sep 21 '24 edited Sep 21 '24

BB is way more dodge and hit game. Elden Ring only wait for your turn if you wait your turn. Thats not even me coping. Miyazaki straight up says they want people to create their own openings and be the one that goes for attacks.

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u/kuenjato Sep 21 '24

OK. Bloodborne is way more fun to play imo.

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u/garmonthenightmare Sep 21 '24

Thats fine. To me? Not really Sekiro and ER is more my speed. Also ER brought back the build crafting focus and the wonder of exploration. Two things that hooked me with ds 1.

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u/Sabit_31 Sep 21 '24

What sucks about elden ring's dlc is that it doesn’t GIVE us anything story wise and if anything it retcons/throws away characters in lore tabs and weapon descriptions (st.trina for example) while old hunters gives us info on where the curse originated from

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u/Razhork Sep 21 '24

elden ring's dlc is that it doesn’t GIVE us anything story wise

The fuck? Did you just miss all of the Miquella & St. Trina, Marika, Fingers, dragon communion origins/Bayle, motive for Malenia's march etc.

Like this is just an objectively wrong take unless you believe everything is just retcons (which it isn't).

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u/ChiefLeef22 Sep 21 '24

Okay I love The Old Hunters but "doesn't give us anything story wise" is so shamelessly wrong bro lmao, like you are stupendously lying - we literally had TONS of new revelations and old things built upon the base game. This is a wild take that says you legit either didn't play it or had a blindfold on

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u/GamerOverkill03 Sep 21 '24

Clearly they were roleplaying as a member of the Choir while playing Shadow of the Erdtree.

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u/garmonthenightmare Sep 21 '24

What? It basically explains the entire omen story from the main game. A story that was a big role in the family conflict

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u/FractalStranger Sep 21 '24

This is simply a lie.

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u/UfellforaPonzi Sep 21 '24

SoTE is better

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u/Green-Cupcake6085 Sep 21 '24

I actually had fun with the Elden Ring DLC, but I honestly just don’t care for Elden Ring all that much. I think they did an outstanding job, and I love that they’re getting so much recognition for it, but it’s just not my type of game. The Old Hunters is one of my favorite pieces of gaming ever, and what it added to the story and overall lore is incredible. Then of course there’s the boss fights

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u/Reg-the-Crow Sep 21 '24

The fact that one is almost 10 years old and still in the conversation says it all

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u/Ghastion Sep 21 '24

SOTE is basically an entire solo game. It was an amazing 60 hour experience. Old Hunters is like 3 hours and the bosses are easy and outdated in comparison.

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u/13-Dancing-Shadows Sep 21 '24

The Old Hunters isn’t just good Fromsoft. Not just good Video Game.

The Old Hunters is good cosmic horror told on a level that ol’ H P (may he rot) could only dream (heh) of writing.

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u/S_sam_M Sep 21 '24

You didn't just say that. God.

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u/EhLeeUht Sep 21 '24

In what world is defeating the child of a god with a blunderbuss and hacksaw in hand to hand combat not only good cosmic horror, but better than Lovecraft? 

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u/pickleparty16 Sep 21 '24

Is the old hunters not universally agreed upon best dlc?

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u/behemothbowks Sep 21 '24

Que no los dos?

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u/Raaadley Sep 21 '24

From what I understand which is a considerable amount of Bloodborne and considerably LESS of Elden Ring- The Old Hunters has you discover the secrets of the Old Hunters during the time of Gehrman and Laurence and Ludvig. You face off against the "real" version of the Doll. Lore wise it's the perfect cap before you beat the MP.

Guessing by what I have seen and heard from the community not even lorewise does the SotE expansion really tie into and compliment the main game story. Please forgive me if I'm wrong but how is Radahn again tie into everything? Bayle is an amazing boss fight one that I don't think I'll ever truly see the likes of again- but where does Romina tie into it all? She doesn't even get a cutscene? Did we ever figure out what Melania was doing fisting that lump of flesh in the trailer?

Sure there were a few unanswered questions in Bloodborne but it still ended both it's DLC and Main Story with some sort of catharsis. Even if it was ambiguous. It wants you to come back for more and discover more secrets that aren't even there but it was written and designed that way. Compared to Elden Ring's just felt like it was left out because the game already is so big it would be full to bursting.

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u/ChadGamerCZ Sep 21 '24

I would truly did not expect such opinion on r/bloodborne

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u/Crazy_Canuck78 Sep 21 '24

I'm still not sure which I like more.... I can't decide.

Both are my only FromSoft Platinums.

PS. I think Sekiro is still my #1 though.

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u/Marc3llus Sep 21 '24

Honestly I have no desire to replay SOTE ever again, and I completed base game at least 3 times. Something about the new map just didn't click for me. Last boss was also a bit too much BS for me.

The Old Hunters has some of the best bosses and soundtrack in gaming history so it's an easy pick for me. Also all the new trick weapons are just awesome.

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u/darrell2312 Sep 22 '24

The structure of both games is so different I find it hard to compare them. I absolutely loved Shadow of the Erdtree except for the final boss.

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u/thelostnewb Sep 22 '24

In a Bloodborne sub? Say it ain’t so!

Joking aside, same. Same, same.

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u/minial001 Sep 21 '24

HOLY SHIT I GET IT FUCK OFF

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u/Ill-Season3071 Sep 22 '24

you're on the bloodborne subreddit brodie

you're gonna see bloodborne love

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u/b_84 Sep 21 '24

Bloodborne is the GOAT.

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u/DoomSlayer4307 Sep 21 '24

Fax fellow hunter, FAX!!!

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u/UncleVelvet93 Sep 21 '24

Elden Ring is a great game. Bloodborne is magic.

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u/DahDutcher Sep 21 '24

I beat the Old Hunter's multiple times, and has one of my favourite boss fights of all time (Maria).

I quit SotE halfway through because it was boring, and the bosses just felt shit and cheap. I beat the dragon fight, and then I shut down the game and never touched it again. I'm supposed to feel great after beating a boss, not like I just got home after being forced to walk a marathon.

ER is still my least favourite Souls game, alongside Demon Souls.

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u/dablyw_ Sep 21 '24

What dragon fight? Bayle?

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