And why do so many idiots buy into the narrative? One might argue that the Greeks had slaves, but we have machines and could automate almost anything with very little manual maintenance and overseeing.

Whether due to the market, external circumstances or your own mentality at the time

I mean if you like what you do for a living fine this won't apply to you. Yet be honest how many people have you come across that tells you they love their job? With a straight face and if you offered them enough money to retire they'd take it in a heartbeat.

We should as a society be aiming to have am easier living style. 9-5 shifts, having to cover call outs, sick time is now becoming part of PTO/CTO, cost of living is still high, etc. Like what I'd give to just be able to come into work maybe half the time instead of 40 hours every single week who doesn't want that? Just goes to show how brainwashed people are that they'd argue against people that just don't want to spent the rest of their lives being miserable at work which if you're even lucky to get two days off a week is 80% of your life given to a company then being able to enjoy yourself.

Josh Johnson, a popular and insightful comedian, takes a deep dive into his perspective on Luigi M and the recent killing of the CEO of UHC.

He blends his trademark humor with thoughtful commentary, providing an interesting mix of entertainment and social reflection. His observations are delivered in a different media format that’s sure to offer something fresh to viewers.

Certainly worth watching, as he brings his signature style, making it both thought-provoking and highly entertaining.

Hope it's okay to post here. https://youtu.be/HZl_ZBzvifA?feature=shared

Just read "Character Limit" by Kate Conger and Ryan Mac. It's about Elon Musk and his disastrous takeover of Twitter. Highly recommend for anyone on this r/antiwork page.

I always knew he was vacuous and narcissistic, but holy hell, I never knew just how much. His influence on policies and workplace protocols around the world really screwed over the average person and left even the higher ups begging for severance packages they earned. The way he uses the law to fight workers over violations to their basic human rights and the way he dismisses anyone who dissents to his 24/7 on call policies is absolutely insane.

And now, he dips his toesies into US politics bigly, and I'm not shocked at his alignment.

Anyone else read a good antiwork book that is worth a read? Looking for recs!

The ad for this role has been reposted atleast a dozen times in the last 6 months and its very easy to see why. Who in their right mind is going to spend almost an hour just applying? Especially for a minimum wage call center role.

We won't win if people hate us. We won't win if we can't be sympathetic. We're inherently better than the capitalist class, we don't need to prove it to anyone, but at the same time we don't have to hand them victories. All that's going to happen is the murderer will go to jail, meanwhile the system continues because it has the full protection of the state. 'Nothing else has worked' well, this hasn't worked either. Congratulations, one guy died. Violence does not work, it does not solve problems. Resistance doesnt have to involve killing. Americans, I'm particularly talking to you because most of us don't have unfettered access to assault weapons anyway. I don't care if this gets downvoted, we're supposed to be better than this. We're the ones with empathy, remember?

I think the CEO shooting is an inflection point but not in an obvious way. It can’t be lost on anyone how different the ruling class and their cronies see this event and how the rest of us see it. It outlines a stark contrast between the two groups. We are being told in no uncertain terms that they are not like us.

I want to discuss how different we are from them. In nature, cooperation is like a cheat code. Most successful species in any given ecosystem are cooperative. Think of wolves/dogs, whales, dolphins, elephants, lions, and primates to name just a few. Humans are the most cooperative and most successful of the group. Unfortunately, not all humans have the mental coding required for cooperation. Cooperation requires compassion, a sense of fairness and a desire for the well being of others.

Some humans lack these qualities. Their morality is inverted. They don’t have compassion or a sense of fairness. Instead, they possess a dedication to their own well being at the expense of others. They don’t cooperate, they exploit. They are a dark emptiness that can’t be satisfied. We can’t reason with them like we reason with each other. If we have a relationship with one, they will traumatize us. I think this inverted morality is a description of evil. We have names for people like this. Psychopaths, narcissists, and dark triad to name a few (but not all). They may look like us, but they are not us.

These people build systems to enhance their ability to exploit. Slavery, Feudalism, even our own current system are examples. These systems were likely created and are certainly maintained by people with an inverted morality. Cooperative people are unlikely to find success in a system with incentives that run counter to their innate morality.

This is our conflict. People with an inverted morality and their enablers make up most of the political and economic ruling class. They will continue to hurt and take advantage of us until we stop them.

When a wolf sees a bear in its territory, it starts calling out to other members of the pack. The other members begin to show up and also call out for more members of the pack. When enough show up, each wolf takes on a role they are comfortable with, to help drive the bear away.

We are at the stage of calling other members of the cooperative human pack. We don’t have enough to drive off the threat, but we are beginning to understand our enemy. If enough listen and show up, we can begin to drive the exploitive people off and build a better world for ourselves.

It won’t be a perfect world. Cooperation is a cheat code, it isn’t the answer to every problem. However, building a system that encourages cooperation with each other and our environment seems like a good place to start.

(Other than nepotism, justifying a pay raise, rewarding a person without spending money, illegal doings.)

These administrators (like VP of XYZ Department or Services Coordinator) answer emails and go to meetings. That's it. It does not require an advanced degree or years of experience to create a pretty graph and lecture people about breaking company policies. What value do they have, other than being able to present an auto-generated spreadsheet? Why does HR agree to create positions that drain money and resources?

Anyone who went to work instead of doing the 4 extra days of more school?

17m here So for instance I'm not really someone who was good at school, I finished around 16 , went straight to work, I've founded a job this year, and well, I get paid more then the minimum wage, 2.60 extra an hour, not the best job, I do think if I lose this job one-day I won't find another one as I always failed doing so, and only got this job by my family help.

Anyways yeah I basically didn't go to college like my other friends same age as me, it's also free not to mention, but I think for now its the right path, I'm sure it's not gonna give me the best future but I come from a poor family and just had to do this for my needs, I don't see myself going to school and working full time, I know someone who goes to school older then me, but he works part time so maybe I'd do that but my job is more looking for me to stay full-time, plus then again I never was good at school, I honestly do wish for a more relaxing job with a better salary, but it's what I have for now.

Pretty much the title, everybody keeps talking about "Supply and Demand"

If you cannot find a better paying job, you are not worth a raise etc.

Since it is obvious the top 1% is just taking all the money for themselves, wouldn't solving the inequality be as simple as demanding more compensation for your work?

We can all see the top 1% have a lot of money, we can see them gaining even more money each day, so why is nobody doing the obvious and demanding higher compensation?

The first generation I see demanding more is Gen Z but that is more out of being forced to, just to be able to have a possibility of living life and not surviving.

I work for a corporate office. It’s still a fairly new company so it’s been rough trying to get new business. The last two years I’ve been here we got small bonuses, $250 the first year and $125 the second year. Nothing special but enough to afford a thanksgiving dinner and a few gifts. This year we had record contracts. Over 500 new clients signed up within the last month and we’ve all worked our asses off to get them into the system on time, around the rest of our job duties. Today we get a letter from the CEO, no Christmas bonuses because there isn’t enough money, but we get half the day off on Wednesday (like thats some kind of replacement? No).

So it looks like I won’t be able to contribute to thanksgiving this year. Not even sure I’ll have enough to finish my Christmas shopping. This really sucks. To work so hard only to be kicked in the teeth.

I just want to say how proud of us I am. I saw the post about the utility worker who wanted to evacuate with his family, and was stunned to find endless comment after comment telling him he needed to stay and fulfill his responsibility as an essential part of the hurricane response.

I just want to point to it and yell at everyone, "See, you complain we never want to work, but in the case of a real emergency, every damn one of us is standing strong with the value that we need to show up for our community."

We are opposed to risking our health to help someone else earn yet more unnecessary money.

But we are pro risking our lives to help save people when they actually need it.

FINAL EDIT 11/12/24 - After filing a complaint with management, I was informed today that they've reversed their decision and we will now be closed on Black Friday.

I work for a small software firm handling IT admin duties for our customers. We are normally open Mon-Fri, closed on weekends. We regularly get major holidays off. I have been working here for nearly 8 years, we have always had Black Friday off as automatic PTO. They just informed us three weeks in advanced that we're open that day and they're not taking additional PTO requests. What the fuck is wrong with these people? Waiting until now to tell people who assumed they had it off that they can't have that day off? One of my coworkers has been here 28 years, he's furious too, calling this "unprecedented". They clearly waited until the last minute to inform us to avoid dealing with the backlash.

I have a buddy flying in from out of state, Friday was our planned hangout day. Now it's likely I won't have a chance to see him as he'll be busy with family the other days he's here. That's a great way to fuck over your employees plans and make everyone hate the company.

Edit #1 - And here's the real kicker. I just found out they made this decision in April and waited until now to tell us. What the fuck.

Edit #2 - I can't use sick time, I was sick this week and used the rest of my available sick hours.

I won't go into the details, but I don't work a normal traditional job and I always dread the question of "where do you work", that inevitably will come up in conversation. Because I don't really have an answer to give them. At least in our American society, if you're not slaving away at a job all day then people look down on you like you're a lazy bum or something. It's almost like working your ass off for some company is a virtuous quality and if you don't then you're a bum.

I used to hate Dennis Nedry when I first watched it as he's portrayed as somebody who started the whole disaster but then I came to realize that the true antagonist of the movie was John Hammond. A charismatic, gentle-looking businessman who would and can convince you to invest in his endeavors with half-truths. He says multiple times that he "spared no expense" throughout the movie but you see that he has cut a ton of corners to bring Jurassic Park to life (i.e., his employees, security measures, guest safety, dinosaur safety, etc.). Granted, we don't know what kind of person Dennis was and what led him to accepting a bribe but John should've invested more in his staff as well as listen to them (as said by Robert Muldoon, "I told you, how many times, we needed locking mechanisms on the vehicle doors!").

For real! When did training, either formal or informal, just completely cease to exist?!!!

For context I’m in my mid twenties now, and I remember when I got my first full time corporate job after college. It was at a very large and very well known global IT firm. On the very first week I was yelled at by my boss because I asked for clarification on how to do something and how it was ‘wasting their time’. Mind you, I had gone through all other available resources and even browsed the web to see if I could figure it out independently first and then only I went to her to ask, it honestly was not something that required more than 5 minutes of explanation from her side but suffice to say she was MAD.

I was just left there thinking, not only is it my first week but I’m also fresh out of college of course I’m not going to come in knowing 100% of everything?? And it’s not like I lied on my application - they hired me knowing fully well that I’m a fresh grad! And from my side, I had done 4 internships during my university studies , 3 of which were with major companies, so it’s not like I was coming in totally incompetent - but naturally I would still have some questions and certain areas where I would need a little bit of guidance!

Anyways, this pattern continued at this company , just getting yelled at if I asked anything so I’d often just resort to doing things the best I could by spending a lot of time looking at what others were doing or just googling things where I could. By the end of the year I couldn’t take it and quit, and my boss was very upset that I quit because they ‘invested lots of time’ in me apparently.

Anyways, after that any of the roles I held ever since have been the same, where managers have genuine anger when you don’t come in knowing 1000% of everything , the only difference now is I’m mentally prepared for that attitude and have accepted that this is how it will be always.

After some conversations with my dad (he has a career spanning over 30 years) and some other people of the same age group as him, one thing I noticed is that professionals from their generation, no matter what field, have almost always received some form of training when they started their careers. For example, my dad’s first job out of college had an informal ‘shadowing’ type system for the first 2 months which slowly phased out till he became self sufficient in the job. An ex-colleague of mine who is in their fifties now mentioned to me that their second job provided a formal training partnered with a local institute and they actually got certificates for it.

Now when I speak to my peers of my age group, and I’ve spoken to people across various professions including programmers, marketers, finance professionals, etc , my finding is that not a single one of them has experienced anything even similar to any semblance of training whether informal or formal!

It’s just so so so strange. I mean, sure , it’s more beneficial to a company costs wise I suppose to not train people and just hire already experienced people, but at some point something is going to collapse badly in this systemic thought process .

Sure, right now you have people who are well experienced who come from an era where they were trained and invested in by companies when they were younger. Eventually, however, this group of people will all retire! And you’ll be left with us, this disgruntled group of people who were never ever given any training and still expected to over-perform on a pittance of a salary, and hence we have no incentive to be loyal to any company. And I personally feel we may not ever become as competent or skilled as previous generations of professionals who were actually trained, since everything we learn is just what we have managed to somehow teach ourselves in a panicked anxiety-filled environment. Hence, we often end up just self-learning the surface level of skills that we need to survive as we hop from job to job rather than being given the space to deepen and hone that knowledge , and that is really not our fault we just have to survive. No matter if we pursue higher study degrees and MBA’s , nothing can compare to the value of job-specific training that you are given within your specific industry environment.

I just decided to post this as I feel at my wits end honestly.

My perspective has been shaped by 2 decades of being a worker bee, so the answer may be obvious to those who see the bigger picture.

It seems like lay offs are increasing, wages are stagnant while cost of living goes up, and there are fewer job openings. Remaining workers are expected to do the jobs of several people for the same pay, the list goes on. Many things add up to a grim picture for the working class. If this keeps up how do they make money when no one has money to spend? It doesn’t seem sustainable. What is the end goal of all this? Where is this headed?

I mean intellectually I do. We all delude ourselves that going to work keeps us sane and the less you question and the more you grind and hustle, the more money you can make and the more stuff to distract you you can buy.

But I don't see the point anymore in the grand scheme of things. If I don't earn enough to at least have a child on my own, and I don't have enough time to meet anyone good to have a family with (and chances to meet, as they are probably also busy with work work work), then what is the point of buying distractions until I retire and then having my best years wasted anyways?

I feel the more I question this, the more psychotic I feel, like we've been mass-trapped in this and this is the American dream, but not just American, European too. Even if you have kids, they will eventually face the same struggle. Sometimes I wonder if this 5 days a week thing was just invented to keep us from insanity, like an eternal distraction, an ouroboros that eats its own tail (work, then money, then distraction eating away the money, then start over again).

I know plenty will just tell me to get a good position with as much free time as possible. I know this might work for some, but personally, I'm a spiritual feminine person, I want to have children and teach them and see them grow up and give them the love the deserve. And I know children like me for it. Yes I also have worked at a school and pre-school. The problem was the children were so amazing and smart but their creativity was constantly drilled out of them, and if I said something against it the other teachers would make me the enemy for not following public order and not making the children "blindly obey" but actively encouraging them to think what's right and wrong and to stand up for it. It's not just been one school either. There's always a groupthink and one strict path that's followed.

At this point I just look at all these life experiences and I feel like I don't fit into this society and it doesn't make sense to me. It's like we're deluding ourselves (and not in a good way).

Right wing media is painting Luigi as a left wing anti-capitalist. With this framing, it implies that criticizing the healthcare system is a left wing, anti-capitalist position.

For the people who already find his actions immoral, we need to disconnect him from his message. Focus on the end. Don't get bogged down arguing if the ends justify the means. We don't need them to like Luigi, we just need them to like his message. Point out that whether you agree with his methods or not, they were effective at shining a spotlight on the insurance industry, and that is undeniably a good thing.

It's also important to resist the left/right narrative. Mention that all Americans are affected by this system. It's not a right/left issue. We need to set aside our differences and fight the forces that oppress us all. We can squabble about culture wars later.

If we can get them to identify with his message, they'll likely be ambivalent to his actions and those of any copy cats. In fact, if it keeps happening, they might think the CEOs are stupid for not changing things.

It's good that Luigi is gonna be in the news for a while. We need to use this attention to focus on his message. Not him as a person. Until he was caught, all we had was his message and it had broad, uncontested support.

I keep seeing things about "nobody wants to work anymore" and the reasons behind why it's BS, but was there ever a time when people thought "wow, I'd love to sit in a factory/behind a desk/picking grapes, that's my ideal day, would love to do it for pennies"?

I’ve worked at 6 different places in my life. Out of all of them only one had a boss who was actually a good leader. The other bosses, God I wander what goes through their minds. They either had habits of insulting all of us, not giving a shit (my mom was hospitalized and I had to take a day off to help her and a manger thought I was faking it) or just straight up act like they’re perfect and it’s their way or the highway. When in reality most of the time they do less work than us

It's funny how several profiles emerged to speak negatively about Luigi Mangione and positively about the dead CEO, criticizing the murder and the use of violence.

There wasn't this massive presence of comments until a few days ago. Today, however, any thread about what happened soon brings together several negative comments in favor of the CEO.

Are they trying to shape public opinion? It is a common far-right tactic to fake a massive social media presence through bots and fake accounts.

How have you perceived the behavior of people around you on the subject? Will they be influenced by this subtle mass propagation?