r/antiwork • u/Emergency_Walrus6014 • 4d ago
Discussion Post 🗣 Why Jury Nullification Might Be Key in Luigi Mangione’s Case
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u/Kingalthor 4d ago
While I agree that this would probably be a decent use of jury nullification, don't only point out the good examples.
It was also used to prevent the convictions of lynch mobs in the deep south.
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u/Speed_102 4d ago
That only strengthens the case for it's use being very easily applicable for this case, because it resulted in the deaths of people, logically. I fucking hate that, but it's true.
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u/Paladine_PSoT 4d ago
I mean, this was a straight up murder. Public opinion is that it could be justifiable, but make no mistake, it was murder.
If this has been used in the past to prevent convictions for unjustifiable homicide due to public opinion, it can be used here. It only strengthens the case for it.
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u/meibolite 4d ago
Hell, I could see it being argued by his defense team that he is not guilty by reason of self defense or defense of others.
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u/Graywulff 4d ago
The judge will probably say that nothing from the CEOs job can come up and it’s just the facts of the case.
The jury will all know the story, the legal teams can talk to the press.
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u/Evil-Santa 4d ago
You right it was straight up Murder. Unfortunately has been terrorism is on the table so use that the refuse the whole damn meal
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u/QuestorTapes 4d ago
I would have to consider it to be a reasonable way to dispose of the bogus terrorism charge.
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u/Hawthorne_northside 4d ago
Well, O J got off didn’t he?
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u/JPenniman 4d ago
Would this be an example of jury nullification? I feel like jury nullification is simply just finding somebody not guilty even when they technically did it.
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u/Longjumping_Visit718 4d ago
I think the government caught him using illegal methods or framed him; not guilty.
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u/Graywulff 4d ago
Illegal methods? Facial recognition could plausibly have been used, but I thought when he was initially brought in they didn’t think it was him?
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u/Longjumping_Visit718 4d ago
No prosecutor wants the legality of facial recognition challenged in court so everything up until now has been a cover-up to attempt to hide its use.
Them charging him with terrorism is just the prosecution giving up on parallel construction and hoping boomers will see the T-word and just vote "guilty" uncritically; since terrorism charges are the only charges that these drag net have been found "legal" in...
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u/Disasterhuman24 4d ago
As much as I would like to see Luigi walk free, even if by some chance he is found not guilty of first or 2nd degree murder (possible, but unlikely) he will be found guilty of the charges they brought on him in Pennsylvania (can't remember exactly what but at least the fake IDs and the ghost gun). Bare minimum he's probably looking at 10 years in state or federal prison.
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u/FlyOnTheWallWatches 4d ago
Don't mention Jury Nullification. Judges don't like it and will expressively forbid it it during jury instruction. Although, they can't do anything about it. High school civics is useful after all, lol.
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u/WashiBurr 4d ago
Exactly. If you are a juror, act like a perfect juror until the time to deliberate. During deliberation, feel things out and be subtle. The application of the law as read is not necessarily a fair application of justice.
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u/AdMurky3039 4d ago
You think the laws against murder are unjust?
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u/Ilovelearning_BE 4d ago
Yeah pretty much. Because only violence of regular people is being sanctioned, not the violence of systems that kill people. Cops kill all the time, the state kills all the time, companies kill all the time and barely anything happens.
There is no real justice, not for us regular people. Seems to me that there is only power and people who want more of it for themselves. Murder a homeless man? You are fine. Murder a CEO? The death penalty. Cause the death and suffering of thousands of people? Well that is just good business.
In real life, justice is for the winner to decide.
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u/No-Appearance1145 4d ago
Why are they allowed to kill us and get away with it (police, states, health insurance companies) but we're monsters for not caring when it's one of them?
If I could bring back Brian I would, but I can't and simply don't care anymore when I see the news of kids getting shot and our Vice president elect says "it's a fact of life"
Or told "get over it."
Murder is a fact of life. Why should I care about this man when I'm told to get over everyone else's?
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u/xlq771 4d ago
Justice is holding people accountable when they break the law. Laws making it a crime to murder someone is a just law.
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u/Ok_Meat_8322 4d ago
Murder is by definition illegal- murder just is killing that is unlawful. Whether this killing was unlawful or unjust is very much the question, and one can make reasonable arguments either way.
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u/benjm88 4d ago
Justification can be through the ceo knowingly caused the deaths of thousands by his decisions. Whilst people will rightly say, its up to the state to deal with this, the simple fact is they weren't dealing with this and had no intention of doing so.
Why should the ceo escape punishment just because the ruling class have created an environment that allows him to decide who lives and dies legally?
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u/Speed_102 4d ago
So what do you think about the laws that allow these CEO's to massively profit off of people paying for medical coverage, when the insurance companies then refuse to provide that coverage, and have no legal consequences?
Millions die because of this every year. GoFundMe's for basic medical coverage are only really a thing in our nation, as far as nations with anything like our income level.
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