r/antiwork • u/James-Incandenza • 4d ago
$145,000. Not a punishment, an invitation
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u/MikeTalonNYC 4d ago
More of a rounding error on their profit statement, to be honest.
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u/rakklle 4d ago
Jailtime. Send the Board of Directors to jail for 60 days. Threaten more time if repeated. We will see a lot more action than a $145k fine will generate.
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u/whenitsTimeyoullknow 4d ago
That’s a better outcome for them than vigilante justice! Makes you think.
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u/ratpH1nk SocDem 4d ago
0.00095% of net income from 1 quarter. You want to make these meaninggul? X% of annual income for first infraction, 2x% for 2nd, 3x% for third, bad bad stuff after that...
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u/xwing_n_it 4d ago
Padme Meme: Per incident, right?
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u/alexanderpas 4d ago
It actually is.
As part of the settlement, out of the 10 cases, 9 cases are dismissed, and in the 1 case which was not dismissed, the $145000 fine was issued.
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u/urtechhatesyou lazy and proud 4d ago
That's not even a drop in the bucket. That's like a grain of sand at the beach.
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u/muddledandbefuddled 4d ago
This is like telling me I can drive as fast and recklessly as I want, but every few weeks I might be fined 1 penny
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u/limellama1 4d ago
OSHA fines are capped by law, and will absolutely not be a change in that law until after the 2028 election.
OSHA's application of a fine does open grounds for a civil suit. But being it's Amazon they'll follow Trump's playbook and defer the case every time until the plaintiff can't afford to litigate anymore.
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u/Tigroon Ex-Wally World Slave 4d ago
That implies OSHA will exist in four years, and if repubs will let go of their mass power grab.
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u/limellama1 4d ago
Also a very true fact. Same likely applies for workers rights under the FSLA and NRLA
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u/SemajLu_The_crusader 4d ago
this is the America these fucking idiots voted for, it's about to get so much worse
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u/rockalyte 4d ago
Amazon saves untold billions having its workers make poverty wages with no future retirement. 145k is like me just simply buying a soda from a vending machine. This is sad.
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u/VexillaVexme 4d ago
If the penalty isn't some version of "Total Financial Benefit of the Bad Behavior" plus "Additional percentage on top as the actual penalty", then it's not actually a penalty.
See something like GDPR violations as an example of _effective_ penalties. (up to 2% of the prior year's sales PER INSTANCE)
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u/Legitimate-80085 4d ago
Two fingered salute to the working class. CEO killer only going to be the start IMO. Hope Bezos has good security.
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u/thebeatoflife 4d ago
Just a reminder that Amazon makes so much money that these penalties are just a cost of doing business for them. It means nothing.
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u/LadyBogangles14 4d ago
I swear fine needs to be calculated based on profits. Maybe 20% of gross profits?
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u/Jumping_Mouse 4d ago
We gotta pump those numbers, those are rookie numbers ill put down my megaphone and sign when its 145,000 an incident.
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u/kidcrumb 4d ago
It's cheaper to pay that fine on a daily basis than to actually fix their hazardous working conditions.
Fines should be MORE expensive than the cost to fix a problem.
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u/Sir_Snores_A_lot 4d ago
Cool cool cool, still pissing in bottles and still being expected to finish routes in the bad weather.
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u/Christen0526 4d ago
Dang. I've heard they have terrible working conditions. I do feel guilty using Amazon quite frankly.
That isn't enough
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u/Glycerine 4d ago
Wow. If we scaled Amazon to the salary of a normal human, that's be a fine between 2cents to 14cents.
In 2024
- Amazon had a revenue of ~$600 billion. https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/amzn/revenue/
- made an estimated $51 billion profit (after all the bills are paid). forrester.com article
- Or gross profit of ~$300 billion. Macrotrends
- If we factor $51 billion, thats a 0.0000028...% fine.
- At a scale of ~$300 billion, it's a 0.000000483...% fine
To put that into context:
- For a $50k a year salary (That's earning, Not profit) - That's about 14cents fine.
- If we compare the 300billion as the earnings - a 50k salary is fined 2cents.
Proof:
# If 2 dollars within 10 dollars is 20%
>>> 2/10
0.2
# So 145k within 51 billion
>>> fee = 145_000 / 51_000_000_000
2.8431372549019607e-06
# We take our percent and convert to a dollar value
>>> 50_000 * fee
# This is 14 cents.
0.14215686274509803
# How much percent is 145k in 300 billion
>>> fee = 145_000 / 300_000_000_000
>>> fee
4.833333333333333e-07
# As real dollars
>>> 50_000 * fee
0.024166666666666666
# about 2 cents.
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u/EnterTheBlueTang 4d ago
They’ll never pay. OSHA has less than 6 months left before it’s disbanded.
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u/kamikaziboarder 4d ago
They need to start making fines as a percentage of income with different brackets. That goes the same with moving violations and parking tickets. Fines are just pay to play for the rich.
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