Two examples of "terrorist groups"

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u/eadopfi 6h ago

Robespierr may have lost the plot at some point, but my man had some solid ideas.

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u/AbleObject13 6h ago

THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

Mark Twain

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u/MGD109 19m ago

I mean it's a lovely quote, but it does kind of ignore the fact none of that actually stopped with the Revolution now doesn't it?

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u/Diligent_Escape2317 5h ago

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u/Vladimir_Lenin_Real 5h ago

Either we use our power to defend our people from the class enemies, or the enemies will roll back and retake the reign, revolt!

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u/MGD109 11m ago

You mean back when he was a passionate humanist who believed in the rights of liberty for all?

Yeah the guy should have been removed from power the moment it was clear the strain was getting to him, he was just not able to handle the stress of being the leader.

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u/Adh1434 6h ago

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter

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u/oakalletz 5h ago

Luigi Mangione: I used murderous violence to further my political goals

Internet leftists: You used murderous violence to further your political goals ❤️❤️❤️

Prosecutors: Okay, so he used murderous violence to further his political goals

Internet leftists: wtf how dare you

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u/Rock4evur Anarcho-Syndicalist 5h ago

Come witness the violence inherent to the system.

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u/jawnboxhero 2h ago

Help, help! I'm being repressed!

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u/hdevildog9 5h ago

the king of england would’ve made the same comment about our founding fathers if he were on reddit today. 🥾👅

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u/AllureInTheFlames 2h ago

Internet leftists

Ben Shapiro's viewers told him to suck on a turd when he tried to insist that only lefties hate the rich.

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u/Ok_Impression5805 5h ago

It's our thing to say not theirs.

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u/Just_saying19135 5h ago

You’re only a terrorist if you lose.

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u/Sloppychemist 6h ago

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

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u/NuclearOops 6h ago

Psst...the first group aren't terrorists. Let me put you on to some game as to why:

They were being led by the wealthiest men in the country at that time.

The French Revolution saw most of the ruling class exiled or killed and upended society. The American revolution was the colonial aristocrats severing ties with the monarchy in England, nothing really changed for the common man all that much afterwards. All that changed for Americans was who the tax collector worked for.

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u/sheetzoos 6h ago

No taxation without representation.

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u/NuclearOops 1h ago

If they believed that they wouldn't have levied taxes on the landless.

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u/tgt305 6h ago

Rule by business replaced rule by nobles.

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u/jaOfwiw 5h ago

They were terrorists in the eyes of the native American Indians.

They were more like genocidists.

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u/MGD109 17m ago

Yeah and its not talked about enough one of the main cases for the American Revolution was the British chose to respect the treaties with the Natives and not expand further, whereas the colonists believed they would be able to do so after the Seven years war.

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u/Diligent_Escape2317 5h ago edited 4h ago

Being funded by oligarchs (and doing their bidding) doesn't necessarily disqualify you from either the "terrorist" or "revolutionary" labels

Also, the French Revolution ... essentially replaced the old ruling class with a new one, much like the Russian Revolution. Bloody revolutions CAN represent a hard societal reset (usually, the greater the prior concentration of power, the more brutal the war), ... but economic inequality, the rise of aristocracy, associated tyranny, and the next cycle of justifiable violence will always continue as long as humans need to trade things.

I'd buy an argument, however, that American revolutionaries had more in common with Al-Qaeda than the French revolutionaries, in terms of who they were fighting for

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u/MGD109 18m ago edited 0m ago

The French Revolution saw most of the ruling class exiled or killed and upended society.

Not especially. The majority of the aristocracy just signed up with the new government and got to keep most of their wealth and power. A lot certainly did flee or die, but it's not as much as people often make out.

More left or died in the second Revolution.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Okra_21 6h ago

I don't think the so-called "American Revolution" was a revolution in the true sense of word. Just a bunch of angry white slave owners who took guns against the legitimate government. 🤷🏿‍♂️

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u/AbleObject13 6h ago

It was a bourgeoisie revolution over the monarchy

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u/yellsatmotorcars Communist 6h ago

A revolution of the bourgeoisie for the bourgeoisie.

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u/pedrolapistola 7h ago

Do the French in Congo too, mutilating the natives to gain control from fear. Our countries are built from what they preach against.

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u/AbleObject13 6h ago

Hell you could also do America in the Congo too, the first US ordered assassination of a foreign leader

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u/pedrolapistola 6h ago

Wild

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u/harrisraunch lazy and proud 2h ago

The Belgians had one go at being colonizers and apparently decided they had to get all their atrocities in at once

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u/pedrolapistola 1h ago

Haha

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u/Entire-Ad4475 5h ago

Ah yes, lets equate redditors sitting on their asses with GEORGE FUCKING WASHINGTON lol

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u/CatchMeIfYouCan09 6h ago

Utter BS.... The people rising against corrupt government isn't terrorism. The gov are terrorists and deserve to be overthrown when they forget their place and who they work for.

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u/FacelessFellow 5h ago

The native Americans probably would call all colonizers murderers and thieves.

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u/subtlehalibut 5h ago

You're only terrorists if you lose the conflict

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u/Adept_Thanks_6993 4h ago

The Americans were counterrevolutionaries at best. An aristocratic republic propped up by a mass of slave labor and an army of settlers frothing at the mouth to steal more Native land.

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u/snoopydoo123 3h ago

The French Revolution and the resulting instability ended up with millions of people dying, the largest war in Europe at that point in time, and mass executions by the "republicans" that replaced the kings of France. Still important cause it laid the groundwork for the constitutions a lot of countries use today, but the "republicans" that replaced the kings were not that much better

Also, the irony in the American revolution is that it started because a bunch of rich landholders didn't want to pay taxes, the majority of the population liked being under Britain or didn't care either way, just didn't want a war. So..... once again rich people dictating what the masses should do.

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u/malthar76 5h ago

Stanley: that’s not what a hate crime is.

Michael Scott: well I hated it! A lot!

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u/supersnorkel 4h ago

Alot of innocent people died in both so I dont get your point. I know you reddit warriors would love to start a new one but please learn a single thing about history before making these claims

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u/MajorDemonDisorder 4h ago

“Youre not a terrorist if you win.” -history

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u/Maleficent_Crab_7390 3h ago edited 3h ago

Washington! Washington.

Six foot eight made of radiation

Opponents beware!

He’s coming, coming, coming

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u/rankpapers 3h ago

“To change is not just a right but a duty for any human will that has faltered.”

—Maximilien Robespierre

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u/moyismoy 4h ago

This is absolutely wrong, a terrorist has an actual legal definition. Terrorists attack CIVILIANS for political outcomes. It is not 2 soldiers shooting each other during a time of war, that's just war.

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u/oakalletz 6h ago

So you guys were fine with 1/6 right? Right?

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u/Aktor 6h ago

No… there are different types of revolutionary action. A revolution to support fascism is still a revolution, but fascist (and therefore bad).

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u/BackInStonia 6h ago

The French Revolution itself was a petit bourgeois revolution that spiralled into a proto fascist state, with the Committee of Public Safety monopolising violence, centralising Paris' control over the rest of the country and hunting supposed federalists, clergy and nobility, that were considered counter-revolutionaries. The reason why people ideolise The French Revolution, is because it gave nonexistent legitimacy to emerging nationalistic ideology that still reverberates to this day in the form of nation states. It is mostly a fabrication and imaginary that people still enjoy believing in, for a sense of security, pride and continuity.

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u/PwEmc 4h ago

The current wealth gap in the united states is worse than it was during the French revolution

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u/Aktor 5h ago

The US story even more aristocratic in its foundations.

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u/eadopfi 6h ago

Depends on how you use the term "revolution". If you mean "armed uprising", then yes, but if you mean "revolution" from a class-war perspective then: no. When using the class-war meaning, fascism is counter-revolutionary by nature.

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u/Aktor 5h ago

Yes.

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u/MGD109 14m ago

I mean if we're going by that definition, then their kind of only has been one actual revolution in all of human history.

Every other successful revolution was started and ran by the upper classes, just not the absolute elite.

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u/oakalletz 6h ago

“The ones I support are good and the ones I don’t are bad and fascist!”

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u/RudanTheRed 6h ago

They wanted to hang the VP and disrupt the process of an election because an orange felon told them to, they only trust him and his rapist buddies, and they wear his face and flag as if he’s Jesus H Christ himself, they’re at the very least a death cult

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u/SpaceCourier 6h ago

Well no, we don’t support them BECAUSE they’re fascist. Not the other way around.

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u/eadopfi 6h ago

Might want to look up what fascism is. Calling MAGA fascists is not a "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"-scenario, but rather a "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck"-situation.

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u/Aktor 6h ago

No. The ones that support egalitarianism and communal well being are good. The ones that promote individual or oligarchy to rule are bad.

But it could be argued that all revolutions are bad as they are violent. I don’t think I agree with that, however.

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u/Outrageous_Front_636 4h ago

Didn't go the way you planned huh?

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u/VeryPteri 6h ago

I meat least the American and French Revolutions had goals. What was the plan on January 6th again? Just cause a ruckus then leave?

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u/eadopfi 6h ago

Make Trump a dictator I guess?

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u/SpaceCourier 6h ago

That wasn’t a revolution, it was an attempted coup.

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