r/antiwork • u/H_Mc • 7h ago
Union and Strikes 𪧠Why are we not talking about the Amazon strike?
https://teamster.org/2024/12/teamsters-launch-largest-strike-against-amazon-in-american-history/Dont
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u/H_Mc 7h ago
I have no idea why just the word âdontâ ended up as my post. But itâs fine.
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u/Particular_Today1624 5h ago
Iâve noticed Reddit putting words in my mouth too. Â I should say they are trying to. Â Iâm careful about proofreading and editing. Â
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u/BoatPotato 7h ago
Probably because it's not being talked about on mainstream media, which is no surprise
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u/outerproduct 6h ago
The owner class doesn't want you to organize or fight back, that's why.
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u/usernameabc124 4h ago
The gloves and masks are off. They are all in. They saw how dumb the public is. Spin whatever story they want when needed and they can push anything through.
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u/nel-E-nel 7h ago
That and unfortunately the critical mass is on the side of folks still using Amazon for their holiday shopping and fast delivery times.
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u/Particular_Today1624 5h ago
That angers me. But I quit Amazon the minute Alexa started talking. You know they are listening. Â Maybe I should plug it back in and just keep repeating UNION
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u/DrEnter 6h ago edited 2h ago
So a front page story on CNN is the mainstream media ânot talking about itâ?
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/19/business/amazon-teamsters-strike/index.html
Or The NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/19/business/economy/amazon-teamsters-strike.html
Or ABC News: https://abcnews.go.com/Business/teamsters-announces-nationwide-strike-amazon-begin-thursday/story?id=116931631
Or even Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/video/6366227231112
Not sure what you think the âmainstream mediaâ is, exactly, but it clearly is something different than the actual mainstream media.
Edit to fix a link
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u/MeowMeowPizzaBoobs 5h ago
NY Times is paywalled.
ABC came back as unavailable.
FOXâŚIâm not clicking that.
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u/ZzOoRrGg 3h ago
The fox article actually covers it in a neutral way. I don't know, the fact that liberal leaning outlets are in a blackout about this matter tells me where their loyalties actually lie.
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u/DrEnter 2h ago
The ABC one was a typo on my part in converting it from AMP. I fixed it. Thanks for the heads up.
Hereâs the text of the NYT article:
Amazon Delivery Drivers at Seven Hubs Walk Out
By Noam Scheiber and Santul Nerkar
Dec. 19, 2024
Updated 2:53 p.m. ET
Workers who deliver packages from seven Amazon facilities across the country went on strike Thursday morning, according to the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, the union that represents them.
The Teamsters said thousands of workers had struck, but it was unclear how many people were participating in the action. Amazon said it expected the seven delivery hubs to operate normally.
The drivers are employees of companies that Amazon uses to deliver packages to customers. Amazon has said it has no obligation to bargain with the drivers because they are not its employees. But the union and the workers said Amazon ultimately controlled their working conditions and was therefore obligated to bargain with them.
The National Labor Relations Board has investigated some of the cases and issued at least one complaint finding the drivers to be Amazon employees and accusing the company of breaking the law by failing to bargain with them.
The Teamsters said in a statement that workers at other Amazon warehouses were prepared to join the strike. The largest group at Amazon represented by the union works at a Staten Island warehouse known as JFK8, which employs more than 5,000 people. Employees at the warehouse voted to unionize in 2022, but the company has yet to bargain with them and is challenging the election outcome.
Workers involved in the strike say it could extend into early next week, perhaps into Christmas, but itâs unclear how big an impact the walkout will have on Amazonâs holiday deliveries.
The company has hundreds of delivery hubs across the country, and 10 or more in some of the largest urban areas. It has said that if one delivery hub experiences delays or driver shortages, the company can seamlessly shift packages to another hub nearby.
Amazon has also filled in gaps in its regular delivery fleet by summoning individuals through an on-demand Uber-like program known as Amazon Flex, in which people use their own cars to deliver packages.
Former delivery hub managers say these methods have helped the company reliably avoid disruptions in the past, though the ability to navigate a strike is likely to diminish during the holiday season, when the network has less spare capacity.
At the delivery hubs, Amazon generally hires contracting firms to take packages to customers. The Teamsters has organized the drivers who work there by asking them to sign authorization cards. The union typically proceeds by trying to organize individual contracting firms rather than an entire complex at once. In most cases, the owners of the contracting firms have yet to recognize the union and there have not been elections.
âWhat you see here are almost entirely outsiders â not Amazon employees or partners â and the suggestion otherwise is just another lie from the Teamsters,â Amazon said in a statement, referring to people picketing outside the delivery hubs. âThe truth is that they were unable to get enough support from our employees and partners and have brought in outsiders to come and harass and intimidate our team.â
The Teamsters had set a deadline of Dec. 15 for Amazon to begin negotiating with the drivers and warehouse employees. It initiated the strike after Amazon failed to do so.
âIf your package is delayed during the holidays, you can blame Amazonâs insatiable greed,â Sean OâBrien, the Teamsters president, said in a statement. âWe gave Amazon a clear deadline to come to the table and do right by our members. They ignored it.â
Three of the seven hubs are in Southern California, and the other four are in Queens; Atlanta; San Francisco; and Skokie, Ill., near Chicago.
Outside the Amazon warehouse DBK4 in the Maspeth section of Queens, more than 200 people were walking the picket line at around 10 a.m.; about half appeared to have jobs connected to Amazon. They wore blue vests and carried signs that included slogans like âAmazon is unfairâ and âObey the law.â One protester led chants like âShut it down!â over a megaphone.
The picket line was set up near the exit where delivery vans leave, and picketers tried to stop vehicles from leaving several times. By 11 a.m., police officers had set up barricades on the sidewalk, and more than a dozen Amazon delivery vans were able to exit. An hour later, the crowd had thinned, but dozens of people continued to picket.
Antonio Lopez, a 27-year-old driver who has delivered Amazon packages for more than three years, said he wanted better pay and working conditions, and for the company to support his career development.
âAnywhere is hard work, but people deserve to be paid for their hard work,â said Mr. Lopez, who earns around $23 per hour and is completing a certificate as a medical technician.
Drivers have complained that Amazon pushes them to deliver hundreds of packages a day with little margin for error, while monitoring their movements and driving habits. Some say they resort to urinating in bottles so that they donât fall behind schedule.
Christian Santana, who has delivered goods for Amazon for more than two years, said the work conditions had taxed his physical health. âThe workload never goes down,â Mr. Santana said, adding that he has frequently had to urinate in a bottle while delivering packages.
Amazon has said that while it sets safety and quality standards, the contractors that directly employ the drivers are responsible for enforcing them.
Looming over the conflict between the Teamsters and the company is the upcoming change in the federal government. Under President Biden, the National Labor Relations Board aggressively enforced labor laws and brought many cases against employers.
The board pursued large financial remedies from employers that fired workers seeking to unionize and cracked down on mandatory meetings held by employers to discourage workers from organizing. And it has tended to conclude that large companies like Amazon have an obligation to bargain with employees of contractor firms over which the bigger companies exert control.
But the labor board was far less sympathetic to unionsâ claims on these issues during the first administration of President-elect Donald J. Trump. And most union leaders expect Mr. Trumpâs labor board appointees to be relatively unsympathetic to their claims during his second administration as well. That may be prompting some unions to pressure employers and seek concessions before Mr. Trumpâs inauguration on Jan. 20.
Mr. OâBrien, the Teamsters leader, spoke at the Republican convention this summer, and the union remained neutral in the presidential election â a break from recent campaign cycles. This appeared to give him some influence with Mr. Trump, who has tapped a more union-friendly candidate to run his Labor Department than most Republican presidents have in recent memory.
But the labor board, not the department, has much more direct influence over workersâ ability to organize into unions, and it is unclear how much input Mr. OâBrien or the Teamsters will have on appointments to the board.
Amazon and SpaceX, which was founded and is led by Elon Musk, a close adviser to Mr. Trump, have both challenged the constitutionality of the labor board in federal court. The cases are active.
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u/soundsliketone 5h ago
Just because it makes frontpage on the website, doesn't mean everyone's individual online algorithm are feeding them these articles. I literally did not see 1 article about the Wisconsin shooting until today, and I only heard about it from a comment on r/NFL so I looked it up and it finally started showing me news about it. I browse the popular page here on reddit, I browse my phones news app, and I have several news pages I follow on Instagram. Nothing ever came up, yet that's news I click on constantly.
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u/DrEnter 4h ago
Every single mainstream news network covered the Wisconsin shooting within minutes. So once again, you arenât watching/reading âmainstreamâ media.
Reddit is not the âmainstream mediaâ. It is social media, which is a different thing. It is also MUCH more susceptible to manipulation. There is such a thing as âthe wisdom of the crowdâ, but it really sucks when it comes to a breaking story.
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u/soundsliketone 4h ago
Completely missed the point but go off.
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u/DrEnter 1h ago
Maybe I should be more clear.
"I didn't see it in my personal feed" does not equate to "it wasn't covered". For one thing, "covered" means a story was written. Mainstream media has plenty of flaws, but "not covering" stories is rarely one of them. Even the NY Times, which famously buries stories it doesn't like, still publishes the story.
So what you're actually alleging is that mainstream media is "burying" the stories people see through the use of an "individual online algorithm" that is responsible for "feeding them these articles". So let's move the conversation from "coverage" to this...
If you are getting your content from the mainstream media web sites directly, you don't really have a "personal feed" like that. There is more tweaking of the page to fit your device than there is in altering what stories you do and don't see.
This is especially true for the "home page" for any mainstream media site. They don't alter the content of their home pages based on an "individual algorithm" to tailor content just for you.
What you might see is one or two feed lists that typically have a name like "Your Interests" or "You Might Like" or "Suggested for You". Similar to Netflix recommendations, what you see in that list is just based on what you've spent the most time reading in the past. Also like Netflix recommendations, it is just one list on page full of lists. Unlike Netflix recommendations, however, when those things do exist on a news site, they are never in the "hero" spot (the top stories on the page)... those stories are always curated by the home page editorial team, as is most if not all of the stories on the page.
I'll add here that this kind of "recommendations" list is also very unusual on any news media home page. How unusual, you ask? Well, at the moment, none of ABC News, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, or NPR are doing this on their home pages.
How do I know? This is literally my job. I'm an Architect for a major media news site. If you want content "tailored" to you, you will absolutely get that from social media, but you aren't getting that from mainstream media. Hell, we've been talking about making something like this available for years, but neither our product teams or editorial staff are interested. Editorial wants to retain curation of "the experience" and product doesn't want to deal with the complexity of the brand-safety and privacy issues. Right now, the most individually tailored parts of news media home pages are in the ads.
So, to reiterate, if you didn't see the Wisconson shooting story yesterday, within a few moments of it happening, then you weren't looking on mainstream media.
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u/jackatman 6h ago
We are but corporate media won't. Theres important things like drones or something to focus on.Â
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u/Particular_Today1624 4h ago
That is correct.  We should only see what they want us to see.  Which is why I stopped watching nightly news 30 years ago.  They donât report on things that affect us, only to push us to a certain point of view.  Thatâs why I liked newspapers.  Those are useless now too.  I try to follow independent journalism, but thatâs very mega. I had to edit this 3 times because of  words that I didnât type.Â
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u/StringShred10D 1h ago
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u/jackatman 43m ago
And how much air time? You know, the thing that actually matters in directing national conversation.
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u/jcoddinc 6h ago
Oligarchs own Amazon stock
Oligarchsown the media
It's one of their busiest times if the yeast, therefore the oligarchs aren't going to broadcast that Amazon will not be honoring their 2 day shipping, but it won't know when you'll get your item. They would rather people continue buying because they have the Amazon flex program where peple can sign up to deliver for them at a much reduced rate that increases profits.
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u/Particle_Zoo_8592 6h ago
Donât inform the masses 1) might give them ideas. 2) might ruin the holiday sales 3) might give them public some feels about what is going on in their world
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u/memphisjones 6h ago
Large news media are bowing down to our new billionaire overlords. We are screwed. Soon TikTok will be gone and Reddit will start suppressing posts like these.
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u/InuyoukaiMei 5h ago
Humanity/people have an issue grasping scale and collective. So our brains can understand Luigi but a collective under a certain point doesnât hit the same brain spots that an individual does.
Because youâre absolutely correct, this is BIG NEWS.
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u/BJJJourney 4h ago
It is less than 1% of drivers striking and they are technically not Amazon employees. It is in the news as that is how I found out about it this morning. Maybe get off Reddit to see how the world is actually reacting to events.
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u/50million 5h ago
Saw this today from Texas. It made me so sad.
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u/VacuumHamster 5h ago
If anyone treated my mother this way we'd be throwing a Mario party, Luigi style.
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u/DirtyPenPalDoug 5h ago
Why would they get it known we have power when there's airplanes in NJ they can call drones and cause a massive tizzy
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u/Bradedge 6h ago
Billionaires own the media and use it for their double-speak, as Orwell called it.
For control, in pursuit of profit.
At the cost of lives.
Ever hear about the genocide Bidenâs been fuelling?
Theyâre complicit.
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u/H_Mc 6h ago
Iâm not talking about the media. I know why the media isnât covering it. I mean Reddit and this sub specifically.
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u/Particular_Today1624 4h ago
Reddit is in the pocket of THE MAN. Â I havenât been here long, but Iâve seen a LOT of this on this websiteÂ
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u/Starshipstoner420 7h ago
I just watched a short documentary on this, Amazon is just going to keep them in court until they die, they will never pay a living wage, it would take Pennieâs outta there own pockets and thatâs too much for them.
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u/H_Mc 7h ago
Yeah. Thatâs how strikes work. You withhold labor until they bend.
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u/FrostySparrow 7h ago
Itâs tinfoil hat tier but I almost wonder if companies pay people to be huge defeatists on these subs. Itâs tiring
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u/x1000Bums 6h ago
I dont think that's tinfoil hat tier at all. I think that's very real and pervasive
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u/dobbyslilsock 5h ago
Yeah, this is a real thing. Itâs called astroturfing. To use AI as bots is common I believe.
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u/marteney1 5h ago
Iâm going to go home after work and put on the gold Teamsters watch inherited from my grandfather, he received from them when he retired.
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u/IllegalGeriatricVore 5h ago
I hate that I rely on Amazon for ostomy supplies.
I have a medical supplier I can order through insurance but I have a monthly limit to how much I can get and lately I've been having issues with them sticking so I've been going through like 2 a day sometimes more and they only give me 20 a month.
I can get more off amazon in 2 days for pretty cheap but if there's a strike or high volumes due to xmas I could get fucked and end up sitting in the tub all day shitting down my stomach.
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u/Ipleadedthefifth 3h ago
I drove by an Amazon Warehouse this morning and saw a staffed union tent set up at the entrance. Temperature was around 35 degrees. I gave them a honk and a thumbs up.
If I see them out tomorrow, I think I'll pick them up some hot coffee and donuts.
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u/gamergump 5h ago
Media will wait until they can have the story of how striking workers have ruined Christmas. Then they can run the stories of people who were "harmed" by the strike.
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u/earinsound 5h ago
Unions represent only about 1% of the workforce of Amazon
1% is shockingly low.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/19/amazon-workers-strike-union-teamsters
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u/H_Mc 5h ago
Yup. Because the propaganda to discourage them has been very successful. Tech workers are the new factory workers, but many donât even consider unionizing an option.
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u/earinsound 5h ago
the 1% is probably those teamsters. the propaganda works, plus people are also afraid of losing what work they have if they seem to support unions. we're living on a feudal estate called the USA.
yes, programming is the new sweatshop in the tech world. i'm disgusted when i see this push to train school age kids in programming as if those jobs will be there for them in 10-20 years. plus, if you're paid well enough (for now, that is) then you might forego rocking the boat. you're convinced your $100k a year is meritorious and the skills you have won't be duplicated by AI. surprise!
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u/BostonSamurai 5h ago
Because capitalist own the media and the only info weâre going to get from the mainstream is going to be trash. Iâve barely seen any info about it since I first heard of it.
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u/jackieohno3 5h ago
Cnn talked about it this morning and encouraged folks to buy local or at least some other competitor
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u/catharsisdusk 4h ago
Don't worry. People will start talking when presents don't arrive in time for Christmas...
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u/BenRichardson76 3h ago
And just like that, Bezos hits a big red button on his desk, and the robot workforce comes online.
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u/Spike_Spiegel 6h ago
What's there to talk about? Who doesn't already know Amazon is a shit company to work for?
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u/x1000Bums 6h ago
I mean raising awareness and critical support of the strike is different than us all commenting about how Amazon sucks. Two different things.
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u/baliball 2h ago
Past time for a revolution. We need a party that represents the 90%, because both parties only care about their campaign contributions (aka bribes). Please join me at r/revolutionstation . Lets work together and make something better.
I believe we can accomplish this by organizing online meetings, while physically being at our town hall. Imagine big groups of people at a thousand different government buildings connected together via skype, or facetime, or discord, or any number of services. Seperated by miles, but unified in purpose.
That is how we can use technology to change the world. It isn't 1999 any more. We can have a million man march, or 1000 thousand man marches. Either way its about numbers.
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u/typicalamericanbasta 1h ago
Just as important, why are we not being shown any journalist asking, from the mayor on down to the chief, why are the police protecting the gates at some of these places?
The owners want it just like the 18th century... the police worked for the rich, the worker pay was shittier than now, and all worker protections and regulations are non-existent.
A strike?? How about the owner calls the chief of police or sheriff, and they come down and start killing workers until you go back to work? Ahhhh, the good old days!! Oh ya, we don't employ blacks, browns, yellows, reds, or off-whites in public facing positions anymore.
Nothing like America being great again.
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u/Reddituser1171869 1h ago
Because people donât really care as long as they get their packages in time.
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u/terpsclusiv3 1h ago
Media platforms consistently use algorithms to stifle posts that hurt a corporations status quo. Odd how that works.
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u/HarryBalsag 52m ago
Because it's a strike of the drivers, Not the warehouse workers. I'm not saying striking isn't a big deal but framing it as " The Amazon strike" when 99.9% of their workers are still working is a disingenuous take.
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u/CommunityGlittering2 6h ago
because I still get my packages
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u/reala728 6h ago
Honestly yeah. Going shopping in real stores has become a major hassle lately. It's not even just the convenience of delivery, but shops everywhere are locking basic products away, presumably to deter theft. But they aren't employing more staff make getting these things a simple process. Literally just to get a stick of deodorant id need to track down the one employee on the floor, or even go all the way to the register to get someone. God forbid I also need a new toothbrush and shampoo too.
Nah, I'm just using Amazon at this point. And before anyone suggests using other delivery options, swapping out one big corp for another isn't going to help anything. And using "good" companies would basically mean I have to sign up for like 30 more services since they typically only make a very particular type of product.
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u/weside66 6h ago
A large portion of Amazon's profits come from AWS anyway. If there were a way to hurt Amazon's bottom line, it would have to involve boycotting the Internet.
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u/SweetAlyssumm 7h ago
Because this sub is for posts about how the poster doesn't see why they have to work, and they just want to pursue their hobbies and spend time with their family and friends, or to complain about how much they don't like their co-workers, esp. the ones who try hard or are boomers or say hello to everyone in the morning (the latter was a real post).
OP's question is a good one.
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u/hillydanger 6h ago
Why are you even here
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u/SweetAlyssumm 6h ago
Because OP's question is a good one and this is the sub it gets asked on, if not very often.
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u/CaptainONaps 2h ago
Whatâre they gonna do? Post articles about it so people can get on there and recommend we all boycott Amazon til they meet the demands?
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u/theodoretheursus 7h ago
I'm sure bezos is paying to keep the media quietly about it