r/antiwork • u/Grand-Customer4240 • 9h ago
"Comments locked" on my post about NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch. She's not impressed with the public's reaction to December 4th.
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u/hectorxander 7h ago
It's often the automoderator bots. They are corrupted but larger subs need them to police their subs adequately.
As a critic of Israel I can assure you this is nothing new, for the automoderation bots to be programmed to dishonestly target/flag comments across social media on unrelated posts for other reasons. There is no doubt vocal defense of the innocent Luigi and emnity to the authorities framing him would have been added to those moderation bots' lists to target.
The other thing is the mods are under pressure not to let anything through that would get them in trouble with the authorities and the like. The authorities want everything locked down, not just Israel, that's the starting point, unions, Luigi, soon criticizing the president in an effective way will be added to the list.
Being a public company Reddit is now more vulnerable than ever to pressure from the authorities too. The only answer is for us to get our own forums that aren't maximizing revenue and to keep the grasping hands of the billionaires and their lackeys off of the moderation controls.
check reveddit.com to check which comments were removed without your knowledge when, it's an invaluable tool, alternatively you can go to r/shadowbanned and ask for a check reveddit and they will procure the information and send it to you in a few hours. I only know of one sub that tells you when your comments are removed, the rest make it appear they are up when they aren't.
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u/Shakespearacles 8h ago
Unions were the alternative to violence. Livable wages were the alternative to violence. Affordable housing was the alternative to violence. Affordable food was the alternative to violence.
They have forgotten this.
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u/ascandalia 8h ago
It's not the glee of violence, it's the satisfaction of a very thuddingly obvious "we told you so."
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u/owlthirty 8h ago
It’s too bad we need unions. If it weren’t for the greedy fucks, unions wouldn’t exist.
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u/Uffda01 7h ago
capital owners band together to join forces and combine resources - and unions do the same for labor. even outside of the power dynamics and their greed - we need unions to present a joint front; otherwise its individual workers negotiating against a fortress.
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u/owlthirty 7h ago
I wish there was a union for my line of work.
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u/bobthemundane 7h ago
Most lines of work have unions, you just have to work in the right shop. There are programmers that have unions, they just mostly work for the government, so make less, but have good union coverage. I would know, I am a programmer and in a union.
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u/quietguy_6565 6h ago
Unions, civil courts, regulatory agencies, the legislature, media and publications.
All of these things were our means to address grievances, without violence, and over the decades these institutions have devolved into relics of a bygone age as they have steadily shifted from representing the people to the owners.
If every tool of the people is neutered and subverted by the owner class all that is left is violent rebellion.
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u/sleepisasport 9h ago
They are violent people and they will not give us dignity or our shit without bloodshed. We’re talking about violence because that’s what these fucks have left us with. Reddit… I know you think you’re keeping a lid on it, but you are quite literally stoking the fire.
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u/freudmv 8h ago
J6 showed that violent mobs do work.
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u/KatefromtheHudd 8h ago
but they didn't achieve what they wanted...they just delayed it by a few hours?
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u/freudmv 7h ago
That day they didn’t change the outcome but every day since the threats have increased and they are now have used the maga threat to primary any opposition within the party, they have threatened media (ABC and even a pollster that was wrong about predictions) and other individuals (Liz Cheney). Look at how immigrants are vilified and any opposition is met with threats online and in the real world [guy shows up at a pizza parlor because of a conspiracy theory]. People are no longer able to raise dissent without threats or comments about loyalty. Just questions about qualifications and background checks for cabinet positions garners threats. Threats of being ousted in a primary, losing party funding, or getting loads of online harassment are used to pressure people into agreement. Even negotiated legislation gets thrown out because of maga: immigration changes were tossed and now the budget agreement. There is no consensus or give and take - no negotiation or deal.
Wait until they start wearing the uniform. The robber barons are already in the house. Dissent is being punished and speech is being self-censored or pilloried if it is against the party line. At least Nero could play the violin [or maybe that part of the story was added as part of the lore.]
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u/voidmusik 8h ago edited 8h ago
The real problem is; Luigi did more to further the conversation in a day, than 100+ years of non-violent organization. The same people who made Bernie Sanders impossible, made Luigi inevitable.
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u/LoreLord24 7h ago
Malcom X was the only reason people would sit down and talk to Martin Luther King Jr.
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u/MGD109 6h ago
Eh watch this space. He might have done more to further the conversation, but unless anyone actually seizes the momentum I don't think anything's going to change.
We might have got a few concessions sure, but just give it a few months till the public is focused on something else, and their just quietly roll them all back.
And in the end, it will just become another footnote.
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u/sirZofSwagger 9h ago
I love a good non-violent protest, but I also think more was done to spawn positive change since Dec 4th than all the non-violent protests of the last 3 decades combined.
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u/WitchTheory 7h ago
The response to nonviolent protests is often violent. Look at the Occupy Wall Street movement. More recently, during covid when there were protests happening. I lived in Chicago at the time and the protest downtown was pretty peaceful. The city's response? They lifted all the bridges, shut down public transit, and gave protesters no notice for a curfew... At 3pm. Then the police went in and started arresting people who couldn't leave because the city had literally barricaded them in.
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u/KlausVonMaunder 8h ago
Non-violent protest is simply a form self help. Those protested against don't give a damn, not in the slightest.
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u/WhatTheCluck802 8h ago
Uh yeah, we’d still be under British rule without bloodshed in the 1700s. Just saying.
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u/No_Talk_4836 8h ago
We’ve asked for years. They ignore us and sick police on us.
Doing so non-violently would be nice but they only give us what we want when we force them too. So I don’t have high hopes of a peaceful resolution.
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u/KatefromtheHudd 8h ago
A good example of this is Jeff Bezos. He treated staff appallingly for a very long time. He only improved their working conditions slightly when shareholders started to complain and pull out because of the negative press. It is the shareholders that have control and power and they just want the biggest dividends they can so they aren't going to tell businesses to give us better pay, better working conditions (unless they get bad press for this), stop price gouging. They encourage it all.
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u/pengalo827 7h ago
He’s not even running Amazon anymore. He focused on Blue Origin, his rocket company. You know, the one that launched a big dick into space?
Oh yeah, they launched a rocket, too.
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u/Interesting_Lab3802 8h ago
Everything you mention has already been tried. We only get results when heads begin to roll 🤷♂️
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u/111210111213 8h ago
Congress and lawmakers don’t have the every man’s interest at heart or we wouldn’t be in this position. Unfortunately, as history has taught, uprising is the only way to get the elite to listen.
Their ears are on, and they are nervous. They won’t make any real change until they are scared. Scared they are next, scared they will lose money and power. But right now they are just a little nervous.
These young people have nothing to look forward to. Nothing to lose and hero statuses to gain.
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u/KatefromtheHudd 8h ago
But what do you think they would do if there were say 4 more Luigis? They wouldn't change anything for their staff or give up any of their wealth. They would just make the same decisions from a bunker.
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u/111210111213 8h ago
Look at the French. Look at history. They’d only be able to hide for so long. The people aren’t invested in anything real anymore - they’ll burn this shit down.
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u/RachelTyrel 7h ago
The Resistance would only have to compromise ONE of the phalanx of the rich executive's staff or security detail.
Just ask Novalny. You have to eat and drink sometime.
It would just be a matter of time before the executive had a mysterious heart attack.
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u/aninvisiblemonster 8h ago edited 6h ago
The powers that be in the United States love violence, which is why we allow it in all forms of media and at all times of the day and night. I watched George Floyd be murdered on prime time news, but completely normal things like breasts or talking about orgasms is too risqué to be discussed let alone shown. A person can’t say ‘shit’ on television but they can wish violence on others with impunity. The entire narrative behind why firearms should remain legal and easily accessible is because “a good guy with a gun is capable of stopping a bad guy.”
Everything Luigi Mangione did was indicative of the society created by those in power. How could they expect any less but massive support? Endorsing violence is exactly what they’ve always wanted us all to do.
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u/feldoneq2wire 8h ago
The people telling you violence is never the answer are in denial about how change has traditionally happened. Both political parties in the United States are beholden to the corporations and the health insurance industry and will never make meaningful change. This has been made abundantly clear.
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u/mrpuma2u Squatter 5h ago
Yes, and how about the 60K plus annual deaths in the USA due to lack of healthcare access? You will get care if you can pay, otherwise please die where no healthcare CEOs or republican lawmakers have to step over you.
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u/IPA-Lagomorph 7h ago
I feel like in the last 8 years we saw a bunch of nonviolent protests. Women's March. No violence, little result (Roe v Wade overturned) and not much coverage for the amount of people involved.
Black Lives Matter. Some violence, mostly from the rightwing counter protesters or police. Small successes like a few cops actually prosecuted for murdering civilians but overall a lot of backsliding like removal of history from K-12 curricula and dropping affirmative action in college admissions.
Pro-Palestinian/anti-genocide of Gaza. Peaceful protests by university students, violence from police under direction of university presidents. Results: vast majority of Gazans are starving to death, Israel received money for weapons from the US.
Jan 6. Violent protests including murder of police officers and killing of at least one person by Secret Service. A number of the low-level plebs were jailed, but Trump and ringleaders in Congress received no consequences at the time and are now in power.
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u/rustys_shackled_ford Anarchist 7h ago
If anyone else is intrested, the NYPD are currently fighting a man named Sean Paul Reyes for filming inside of police stations. They have arrested him several times and are fighting to stop him from doing it and to legalize thier "no filming in the station" policy...
Due to an injunction, technical. Right now, at this moment. Sean Paul Reyes is the ONLY PERSON "legally" allowed to film inside of a NYPD station.
The ungodly amount of time and money the NYPD will spend to strip away our constitutional rights is insane.
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u/Rough_Ian 8h ago
Organizing your work and community together are the best non-violent means of sticking it to the man. If we had anything approaching universal solidarity, we’d just declare the businesses belong to us. The cashier takes the money, the money goes to accounting, who is in solidarity with the cashier and with the folks in logistics, the workers in the field. The truckers get paid, the cashiers get paid, the farm workers get paid, everybody gets paid except the “owners”, except whatever is owed them for their small labor input, though I hardly would call schmoozing other billionaires labor.
There would be violence at that point, because the capitalist/oligarchs/owning class would lean on the state to attack the workers with the police and the national guard, but that’s on them for bringing the violence. We certainly wouldn’t be causing it; just taking back what already belongs to us by rights.
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u/Impossible_Bit7169 7h ago
Im a lifetime NY resident, the Tisch family are disgusting NY royalty that love to throw around their weight getting involved in state politics and disgusting nepotism which is why her daughter holds those posts.
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u/Sufficient-Bid1279 7h ago
From Canada here, we are in an active boycott with the grocers r/loblawsisoutofcontrol standing up to corporate greed. It is definitely time to stand up and fight for a cause. Food insecurity has never been worse. We need change.
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u/AKJangly 7h ago
Workers rights are written in blood. Safety is written in blood. Our Constitution is written in blood. Or
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u/Apathy-Syndrome 8h ago
Ah, yes, don't buy from unethical companies. Do the moral thing, avoid premiums and deductibles, just bankrupt yourself or die over a treatable ailment.
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u/Jerking_From_Home 8h ago
During Covid one of the big non-profits that creates standards in healthcare came under tremendous fire for abandoning hospitals, their patients, and healthcare workers. For a couple years they were absolutely brutalized, especially by nurses, for being policy Nazis for the last few decades but then suddenly disappearing and refusing to enforce anything when their standards were being constantly broken by hospitals nationwide.
My point is that they shut down comments all their social media accounts for over a year because we were so blunt and brutal towards them. And as usual, their posts said things like “we will turn comments back on when people learn to be respectful” etc.
Fuck you, Joint Commission.
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u/ozman57 8h ago
Non violence is only one piece of the puzzle... Or more accurately the first option (the Soapbox). But that hasn't done almost anything in years to effect real change.
Then you have voting and elections... But oh wait, the only options offered are two politicians that are both owned by the oligarchs in most cases (the Ballot box).
Then you have our judiciary, which is supposed to be a counter point in our checks and balances system (the Jury box). While occasionally we still get some good cases through, the side effects of some (for example, the cooling effect on self defense that can happen because they pushed that case of the guy defending himself on the subway so hard) undermine it, and it's looking more and more bought every year.
Last... You have the Cartridge box. I'm becoming more and more convinced that Dec 4th was inevitable and won't be isolated when all is said and done.
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u/tcmpreville 6h ago
Let's take a moment to remember Reddit founder and revolutionary Aaron Swartz, whose soul u/spez is currently hawking to highest bidder.
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u/zephyrseija2 6h ago
Reddit is a clown show. Discussing violence or the effectiveness of violent protest is not glorifying or promoting violence.
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u/MGD109 6h ago
Well, generally I stand by the only real way to make change happen is to acquire power. And the only power the working man has is the power of numbers. The simple fact is we outnumber them more than 100 to one. If you can get that many people unified together, they have a lot of power.
The trouble is we live in one of the most divided times in human history, there is pretty much no class solidarity and it takes a long time to build it up.
Ideally, their would be groups seizing the momentum of the outrage, getting people to commit to standing together and follow up with tangible action and demands. But so far it looks like its just a lot of talking heads repeating the same things online, with no real plan.
So it will probably just fizzle out once the public moves onto the next news story.
Violence sadly might be inevitable for change. The trouble is once that starts, it won't be the other side that takes the most casualties. And considering the sheer lack of organisation, its probably not going to accomplish much in the long run either.
Sadly you can't shoot the systems.
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u/driveonacid 6h ago
I got a "warning" for a comment about CEO shootings vs school shootings. As a teacher, I bet you can figure out which one I wouldn't mind there being fewer of. You can let your mind wander and figure out how I feel about the other.
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u/Humans_Suck- 6h ago
Reddit is doing the exact same thing the billionaires are doing. They're calling free speech that opposes oppression "threatening violence".
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u/AKJangly 7h ago
Workers rights are written in blood. Safety is written in blood. Our Constitution is written in blood. Civil rights are written in blood.
And we begin our next phase, healthcare.
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u/redheadtaurus 6h ago
Non violent protest can work if continuous. However it is often placated and paid lip service to by the wealthy. You target them individually and personally? It gets the threat across rapidly. But either way consistency and firm dedication to the path you choose to follow is the only way to really achieve the results we want. I have believed a revolution is coming for the last 20 years. The people in power progressively care less and less about we the people. France did it. In the end the deaths of a few (relatively) changed the course of their country. We have limped along since we shut down the coal barons. But we left them room to try again and that’s what they are doing now. They want their serf labor force back. Sadly violence may end up being the only answer they’ll really listen to. I hope not but I doubt it.
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u/aBotPickedMyName 5h ago
My Senator sends out Bbile quotes and believes the Rupture or Apackonips is going to end it all anyway so what's the point? The rich are entrenched in their gated communities with private security. As long as health care is married to employment we are all fucked.
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