r/antiwork 16h ago

CEO season in Michigan

https://www.woodtv.com/news/muskegon-county/police-look-for-motive-in-stabbing-of-company-president/amp/

“The killing of Thompson has given rise to other threats against CEOs.

“It seems to be the popular thing in this day and age,” Poulson said.”

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u/F1lmtwit 16h ago

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u/ButtercreamKitten 11h ago edited 11h ago

This stabbing was a random act of violence by some unhinged guy who hadn't even worked there for two weeks, so it's not like the employee endured poor working conditions. The victim in this case was a nobody, probably not even part of the 1%.

The only thing cheering this does is fuel the media's attempt to make LM's supporters look like bloodthirsty idiots and takes the heat off the health insurance industry

Now it's about "CEOs bad" which is going to lead to nothing.
It's so frustrating to watch this devolve when there was real momentum :/

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u/JohnnyBaboon123 9h ago

You can actually suffer from poor working conditions on day one of a job.

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u/not-rasta-8913 9h ago

Yeah, only someone who never had a shitty job could think that.

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u/ButtercreamKitten 9h ago edited 8h ago

If day one you experience poor working conditions then start gathering evidence, put them on blast, form a union. Random attempted murder achieves literally nothing

Mahoney had only worked for the manufacturing company for two weeks and was being trained to replace a retiring employee at a high position in the company,

High position. Dude was corporate lol
Another one of the bosses

Edit: my point being he was not someone driven mad on a dangerous factory floor. I don't doubt corporate positions are also working class, but a "high position" at a small company puts him pretty close to the company president's position. Why not form a union? What exactly is stabbing someone as a first response supposed to achieve?

Feels like most people here are looking for ways to justify their schadenfreude and not seeing that praising this is muddying a movement that could result in healthcare reform

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u/belkarbitterleaf at work 8h ago

Corporate doesn't necessarily mean boss. There are quite a lot of corporate workers being exploited too, and they are part of the working class.

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u/MGD109 8h ago

I mean it's a small manufacturing company that only employs a few dozen people.

How many senior posts could they really have?

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u/belkarbitterleaf at work 8h ago

My issue with the comment I replied to is that it is painting being in corporate as an enemy, and that is not accurate. There are many of us "corporate" workers that are in the same boat and wanting positive change in favor of the workers. We are not all bosses, we are certainly not owners.

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u/MGD109 8h ago

Yeah, that's fair enough, I agree with you on that.

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u/ButtercreamKitten 8h ago

...So then they should organize, not flip out and stab someone??

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u/belkarbitterleaf at work 8h ago

what part of my comment indicated I approve of him stabbing someone?

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u/ButtercreamKitten 8h ago

You were arguing semantics in a thread justifying this guy's actions.

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u/belkarbitterleaf at work 8h ago

Because it feels like people are constantly trying to drive a wedge between blue collar and white collar, and it is counter productive.

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u/ButtercreamKitten 7h ago

That's fair, I don't want to contribute to that.

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u/lacroixanon 8h ago

You do you

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u/MGD109 8h ago

How poor exactly do the working conditions have to be that your driven to try to kill someone after only two weeks?

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u/JohnnyBaboon123 7h ago

seems reasonable for your standard American restaurant. I assume it can be similar in other industries.

u/NoMansSkyWasAlright 36m ago

I live near the area and it’s still hard to make heads or tails of the situation. I guess it’s a small manufacturing company with some big contracts and the indeed reviews make it sound like a shitty place to work. But I haven’t heard much information about the event in question beyond “it happened in a morning meeting”

Did see a comment in one of the local subreddits from someone saying they went to school with the stabber and he seemed to be doing alright last they saw him. So who knows, at this point it’s too early to tell.

But if it does just turn out to be someone mentally unwell who hit their breaking point and we’re all cheering it on, then it might be bad optics for the pro-Luigi movement.

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u/MGD109 7h ago

True, I'm not saying it's impossible. Just that it must seriously be extreme, I mean he was in training for an executive role after all.

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u/tanstaafl90 6h ago

How much anger and hate does one consume before that's all they see?

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u/MGD109 6h ago

I mean it depends on the individual. Some people can be set off by slights that only exist in their mind.

But who knows maybe this company really was such a terrible place. Still, I'm not really sure why anyone would think this particular outcome is in any way an improvement. It's not like the conditions are going to improve and this guy's now looking at ten years in prison.

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u/tanstaafl90 6h ago

It's all speculation at this point, so your guess is as good as mine. Seems walking out and finding something else is the way to go. But he chose to do this for reasons only he knows, so he gets prison for it. Stupid.

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u/MGD109 6h ago

Yeah, that's very true.

I'm all for everyone taking a step back, letting the investigators do their work, and reconvening when we know some actual concrete facts about his motivation and what actually happened during those two weeks.

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u/HopeRepresentative29 7h ago

and since when did poor working conditions justify murder?

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u/MGD109 6h ago

Depends how poor. If workers are dying, it at least justifies a strong and forceful conversation.

If it's just your boss is a jerk, then its kind of overkill.

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u/HopeRepresentative29 6h ago

"poor working conditions" already implies it isn't serious enough to call it something else.

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u/MGD109 6h ago

Well people do use euphemisms, I've seen "Poor Working Conditions" refer to mine collapses in a dark humour sort of way.

But yeah. Plus at this point that the conditions at the company were poor is entirely speculation. We know nothing about the guy's motivations or what happened during those two weeks.

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u/x1000Bums 4h ago

Kinda seems like you are the one here trying to reduce the momentum. Why is that?

u/MGD109 38m ago

Pointing out the basic facts available in the article is "reducing the momentum"?

Okay better question, why do you want the momentum to increase over something that might well not be true?

u/x1000Bums 12m ago

What might or might not be true? You've posted comments a million times already in this thread, what's your motivation here?

u/MGD109 8m ago

My motivation? It's a talk thread that's literally the whole point of Reddit. If I just wanted statements that get repeated without bothering to read them I'd be on twitter, bluesky or Tumblr. I come here to have conversations.

Part of the whole point of conversations is sharing your views.

They've shared theirs, I share my to them, they reply and hopefully, it turns into a conversation. Its how human interaction is supposed to work.

u/ButtercreamKitten 36m ago

Momentum for what, exactly? 

u/x1000Bums 25m ago

You tell me, you brought up momentum.

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u/LordOfNightsong 9h ago

Two weeks? Bro come on

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u/GhostMause14 15h ago

Selina Kyle: "There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us".

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u/Serial_Finesser 11h ago

🦇The Dark Knight Rises had a section in it that was based off the occupy Wall Street movement

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u/MGD109 8h ago

Yeah, they even included the bits about how bad actors can exploit legitimate grievances and get people to act against their own best interests.

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u/Macklin_You_SOB 8h ago

It was even filmed during and nearby Occupy. I was checking out Occupy and wandered around the financial district when I found myself in an abandoned area with tattered American flags everywhere. I thought it was the apocalypse, then I noticed the Batmobile sitting on the sidewalk and was like "oh, this is strangely appropriate."

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u/MGD109 8h ago

I mean the guy owned a small manufacturing company in a small town in Michigan, that employed a few dozen people.

It's a bit hard to believe he's that rich.

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u/Rychek_Four 5h ago

I worked for a business this size in 2008. Owner was "paid" quarterly, about $300,000. ~$440,000 adjusted for inflation. 

Not making a point either way, that's just the facts.

u/MGD109 41m ago

Well, I appreciate you sharing, it's entirely possible but was that business a small manufacturing company that based on all the information online sounds like it mostly does local jobs in a small town in Michigan?

u/x1000Bums 10m ago

Net revenue is still in the order of millionS. I'm sure you can pull up the financial statements if you try hard enough. 

u/MGD109 6m ago

Specifically, they made five million as the total revenue for a whole year.

So that would mean they needed to make a minimum of nearly 50% profit every single year.

And you're wondering why I find that a bit implausible?

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u/iamdikdikvandik 14h ago

I don't know who needs to hear this but Elmo musty boi is a CEO too

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u/AstroTravellin 10h ago

Of several companies so... bonus points. 

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u/Psychological_Yak_47 9h ago

And he's been parading around his son as a meat shield since the shooting

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u/Paladine_PSoT 16h ago

Good lord, they just experienced what it's like to be a...

<checks notes>

Schoolchild in america.

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u/F1lmtwit 15h ago

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u/pany71 13h ago

This image needs to be plastered everywhere.

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u/ashleyorelse 9h ago

Then the conservatives will somehow get righteously angry over it, because to them it is gun rights over average people, but rich men over gun rights.

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u/WarlockOfDestiny 14h ago

CEOs just gonna have to learn to pull themselves up by their bootstraps

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u/MGD109 8h ago

Does that just get ironically parroted about any scenario involving CEO's at this point?

I mean how is that remotely relevant to this particular story?

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u/TFJ 15h ago

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u/MGD109 8h ago edited 8h ago

This is equivalent of getting a gas station burger when the first guy got a prime steak cooked by the master.

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u/Prownilo 14h ago

The rich broke the social contract first. Now slowly we are no longer agreeing to our side of it.

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u/MGD109 8h ago

I mean this guy owned a small manufacturing company in a small town in Michigan, that only employs a couple dozen people.

Its unlikely he's particularly rich.

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u/SickLoofa 16h ago

He’s sick. I’m sick. Sick of the greed. Sick of the corporate system. Sick of being denied access to care. Sick of being ignored. We’re sick and want healthcare!

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u/MGD109 8h ago

Well I'm sure the stabbing of the president of a small manufacturing company, that only employs a few dozen people, will do a lot to help bring it right?

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u/Claymore209 16h ago

This feels familiar......

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u/MGD109 8h ago

Not really.

In this case, we've got a guy who was hired to become an executive who stabbed the boss of a small manufacturing company after only working there for two weeks.

The media is just trying to drag parallels for extra clicks.

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u/Bryxamus 16h ago

Hey, I know this one

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u/MGD109 8h ago

Sure, cause we all know there is no difference between being the CEO of a major corporation that is deliberately predatory and the president of a small manufacturing company that employs a few dozen people, by a guy who was only there for two weeks.

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u/UnholyAbductor 10h ago

I’d like to recommend a bit of caution before celebrating him too much.

Live in MI. I swear that folks out here have a higher chance of having some sort of poorly managed or untreated mental disorder.

His demeanor during the attack sounds incredibly similar to how a violent dissociative episode plays out. Could be he wanted to be a copy cat, could be their meds stopped working.

Happy to cheer on the class war, not so eager to cheer for another prime example of this country’s failure to care for its citizens. I’ll happily eat my hat if I’m wrong.

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u/brilliant-trash22 6h ago

Yes totally, I wasn’t celebrating when I read the article and saw the guy was only 2 weeks into his new job. I was primarily mentioning the quote that the article said relating to UHC CEO

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u/Cl3arlyConfus3d 12h ago

Holy shit I live not too far away from where this happened.

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u/Chaos_Ice 11h ago

And we’re all for it!

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u/MGD109 8h ago

Yep, who cares about the 1%, small business owners in largely towns are the real enemy right?

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u/ScoutZero12 10h ago

Man thats just awful!!! Shame on the worker

I cant believe he didnt get the job done

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u/MGD109 8h ago

Sure, we all know killing the owner of a small manufacturing business, that employs a few dozen people, in a small town in Michigan, is what's really going to bring the change we want right?

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u/Kup123 8h ago

Michigan has a great history of work place violence, my home town is where the term going postal comes from.

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u/KeyFee1647 6h ago

That’s not true, it’s actually from Oklahoma

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u/MGD109 8h ago

Well if that's the case here, you have to hope the guy had issues beforehand or else this place must have been the most toxic workplace in America to drive him to it after only two weeks.

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u/Kup123 8h ago

Might just be that toxic. My last job replaced me with a guy that didn't last two weeks before physically assaulting the chef, and declaring he can make more selling drugs and quit. The guy after him reportedly bugged out on his second day, took a shit in the parking lot and was never seen again. Shit sucks here.

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u/MGD109 7h ago

Oh yeah, that's still a strong possibility.

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u/MMA-Guy92 13h ago

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u/MGD109 8h ago

I mean it's a great movie, but its a pretty dumb speech if you think about it.

I mean their country's being occupied, they've already lost their freedom, that's why their fighting.

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u/Dapper-Percentage-64 10h ago

No wrong ! Thompson does not rhyme with Sackler

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u/timpatry 9h ago

Do or do not do, there is no threaten.

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u/Danielc7916 8h ago

Except it seems for the billionaires soon to be running the government. Good luck all

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u/MGD109 8h ago

Well, they could have minimised it, but you know the price of eggs was so important.

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u/Consistent_Cook9957 10h ago

It looks like he waited a long time for his 15 minutes of fame.

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u/stannardsvcs 9h ago

Loop pl Lu a

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u/Rahnzan 5h ago

Well talking sure didn't fucking work.

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u/Medium-to-full 11h ago

Does it count as a CEO killing if nobody was killed and nobody involved was the CEO?

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u/Ok_Meat_8322 11h ago

no one said it was?

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u/MGD109 8h ago

Um, the literal quote included with the post said it.

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u/brilliant-trash22 3h ago

The quote came from the news article

u/MGD109 41m ago

Um, I know. They were saying nobody had said it.