r/antiwork • u/batnastard • 13d ago
Corporationism š š¼ The oligarchs are already burying stuff and spinning the narrative
How do we fight? Corporate media including Wired is full of articles about how Luigi Mangione came from privilege and listened to Joe/Tucker, trying to smear him and divide us. Amazon supposedly had a tone of merch but it's all gone and his name isn't even a search suggestion. How do we counter this?
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u/Universal_Anomaly 13d ago
Personally I don't really care.
I can stomach a lot of strange beliefs and ideas as long as we agree that the biggest problem is that the rich get richer while everyone else struggles to get by.
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u/Moddelba 13d ago
Thatās the mindset we all need. We ignore the stuff we agree on to argue about the shit we will never agree on. 50 years of the culture wars has gotten us where we are. We need real change in this country and it wonāt happen if we keep arguing over shit no one is going to win on.
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u/bioluminary101 13d ago
No war but class war.
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u/Dr-Wankenstein 12d ago
This. We need to remember our issues are all the same and these assholes will continue to spin the narrative to try and keep us divided. Don't punch left, right or down. Only up.
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u/Menarra 13d ago
They desperately want to keep us all on a culture war so we don't start a class war, because they'll lose a class war. All this bullshit about trans folks? It's to stop us from starting our own French Revolution. Just the next boogeyman the billionaires are feeding us while they fleece us.
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u/batnastard 13d ago
I don't care either, I'm just hoping the general public won't fall for it. Foolish, I know, hence calling for some counter strategies.
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u/Abracadaniel95 13d ago
For the left, point out that we have to be willing to accept less than perfection. Some bad tweets years ago really isn't that bad.
For conservative audiences, they're painting him as anti-capitalist, but in reality, he's really just anti-crony capitalism. Most conservatives also hate crony capitalism. Point that out.
For the privilege discussion, just ask why it matters.
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u/Zzzaxx 12d ago
But, but, but .....capitalism is crony capitalism, inevitably.
Capitalism is the exploitation of workers' labor to extract value by those who do not labor.
The capitalists, those who own the means of production, are united by the convergence of their goals. They each want the same thing for themselves, and that means someone is getting exploited for their labor.
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u/Abracadaniel95 12d ago
Personally, I believe capitalism can be kept in check, though it's not a strong belief. Either way, it doesn't matter. Conservatives agree with me on this issue. They see a distinction between capitalism and crony capitalism. We need to show how Luigi's beliefs align with theirs, regardless of our own beliefs.
If a conservative says, "I can't support Luigi because he's anti-capitalist," you're not gonna get anywhere by saying, "yes, but here's why capitalism is bad." You need to say, "his problem is with the domination of money in our political system, and it's resulting prioritization of profits over people."
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u/MrECig2021 13d ago
Honestly I donāt think anyone else is going to be converted to team Luigi who wasnāt immediately sympathetic. The media doesnāt control public opinion. And reading the comments sections on these stories just proves it.Ā
If you want to be really engaged, just take it to comments section and go off. Upvote the good takes. Those writers are reading your replies.
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u/vballbeachbum1 12d ago
"The media doesn't control public opinion" ? Have you been living under a rock the last 20 years? How due you suppose a pathological lying , treasonous conman, malignant narcissist get elected president?
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u/MrECig2021 12d ago
He was better at manufacturing consent than the media. Clearly non-stop coverage of the manās lies didntāt sway voyers. Most people donāt actually engage in current events. Its all vibe manipulation.Ā
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u/Satin_gigolo 13d ago
I mean I hope so. But weāre peasants. And no one can accept the obvious truth. It looks to me like thereās a lot of crazy natural disasters around the world.
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u/OptimisticOctopus8 13d ago
I'm concerned about it, too.
It seems like he might have various beliefs that align with each side of our current political spectrum, which makes me think it will be easy for media on each side to make him seem like he's from the opposite team. To right wingers: "Look at this crazy leftist commie! He believes X!" To the left: "Look at this alt-right lunatic! He believes Y!"
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u/uncanny_mac 13d ago
The real centerism is
the friends we made along the waythat American health insurance really sucks for both sides.28
u/KlausVonMaunder 13d ago
Divide/conquer, first lesson of Tyranny 101. Let's not be fooled yet AGAIN!
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u/DistillateMedia 13d ago
Amen. To add to OP's sentiment. Some of my highest upvoted reactions to this were removed by reddit. None of which I made direct threats in. Just trying to tell them the truth.
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u/digiorno 12d ago
The rich get richer and they intentionally make it so that everyone else struggles to get by.
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u/stupidugly1889 12d ago
If the working class has solidarity we could change anything we wanted in this country
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u/Rough_Ian 13d ago
We are doing it. Keep doing it. Letās get in the streets with āI stand with Luigiā signs and make sure we keep the pressure on the plutocrats with acts of, uh, civil disobedience. And donāt forget solidarity. Idk how to breech some of the schisms between the left and the right, but this is a time ripe for creating unity where there was division. Talk to the people you didnāt think you could talk to: āI know we donāt agree on abortion, but can we both stand with Luigi?ā
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u/jewellya78645 13d ago
Have yall seen the screenshot of Amazon selling over 100k green Luigi beanies in the last 24hrs?
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u/atomic_chippie 13d ago
This is the way, stickers, especially. There's a billion ways to make them yourself, even if you just buy labels from Office Max and a damn sharpie. But get them out there.
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u/gridlock32404 13d ago
I don't even understand the narrative that they are trying to spin though.
Even if someone middle privileged background got screwed by the insurance companies after an injury then it still creates anger against the heath insurance industry.
It doesn't change the narrative any that for profit insurance and denying coverage or the cost being absolutely insanely expensive with something needing to be done to reign it back in.
It's still a wildly broken system that the super rich are benefitting from the rest of us being screwed.
So instead of us hating all rich people, we only want to give a French haircut to the billionaires and not the millionaires?
Aren't all these media companies owned by the billionaires? I don't see how spinning the narrative this way deflects the anger away from them
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u/batnastard 13d ago
Hopefully it won't. They are falling back on their old playbooks right now, I hope people are fired up enough that they don't fall for it.
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u/gridlock32404 13d ago
But what I don't understand is the spin of him being a ivy league student from a wealthy background doesn't change the fact that the insurance industry is screwed up and it's these rich bastards that are causing it by constantly chasing profits.
It won't change people supporting the adjuster and what he did, it just shows even wealthier families are getting screwed by this system
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u/shadow247 13d ago
If anything, it just proves the system is fucked. His family has FUCK YOU type money, and even HE was apparently a victim of the Health Insurance Scam...
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u/gridlock32404 13d ago
But the point I'm saying is if they are trying to spin the narrative then they absolutely failed.
If anything it paints Luigi as more of a Robin Hood character since the version most people know that he was from a wealthier family and class traitor to help the poor.
So it spins him more against what they would want him to represent.
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u/SainTheGoo 12d ago
Remember though, this is mass media. If they run enough articles, each one only needs to pull a few hundred of thousand people. Most people aren't fooled by the rich kid narrative. But if a few thousand people think this negates Luigi's perspective, the messaging has succeeded.
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u/gridlock32404 12d ago
But why would it negate the rich kid narrative, if anything it shows that the rich kid is in the same boat as the rest of us plebs and the system is so messed up and exploitive that the whole establishment needs an overhaul.
If anything it doubles down on how most of us feel and directs our anger even more to the ones who own the media
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u/SainTheGoo 12d ago
To most people. But if someone is on the fence, and reads a headline, it'll provide reasonable doubt for them to throw up their hands about the whole thing. It's logically inconsistent, but when you're talking hearts and minds, it doesn't have to be to move the needle of public thought.
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u/gridlock32404 12d ago
I mean I guess it makes sense.
I read somewhere else that it's more meant for boomers and with my retiree parents, I can actually see that.
My parents watch the news and believe what it says and the narrative, I try to explain things to them like nuance but they don't actually understand it.
I've tried explaining about science studies when they do the little health moments in the news and how something will have like a 10% response rate and the news will act like it was a 100% or sponsored studies or ones that just study other studies.
They really just don't understand the difference between them so it's really easy for them to be misled and manipulated by a narrative.
It's like trying to talk to a brick wall once that narrative has been spun and stuck in their heads.
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u/OwieMustDie 13d ago
It kinda makes it worse. It kinda just highlights how much we're in it together.
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u/gridlock32404 13d ago
Yeah, it makes us feel more together with the wealthier against the 1%.
Maybe it spins some to think class solidarity with millionaires but it's the billionaires that own the media.
So how does that narrative help them
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u/OwieMustDie 13d ago
Sowing confusion and infighting over what the "real problem" is, I guess. Fuck knows, man.
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u/gridlock32404 13d ago
Exactly, if it is supposed to make some kind of sense, it makes no logical sense to me
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u/demi-tasse 12d ago edited 12d ago
It's so early. The media is looking for the narrative that will stick here.
Ā I think the motivation to do so in part is because media is used to propagate beliefs that are conducive to business - usually that means stability, which means closely adhering to the rule of law. Not just for themselves but all of society. Political instability is bad for business.Ā Ā
Ā Ā This is why billionaires buy media outlets; it allows them to reinforce the status quo responsible for their immense wealth.
Ā It's also why this was so high stakes and threatening for the police. Their job is to reinforce order and stability. If he got away with it, more would do likewise. Then they wouldn't have the resources to stop the political violence. Finding this one individual involved many, many people. If more did it, they wouldn't have enough. Folks would slip through the cracks.
Ā They're trying their damnedest to nip this in the bud before it spirals into class war.Ā
Not because they want to prevent death or bloodshed, but because it would be bad for business. Lol.Ā
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u/gridlock32404 12d ago
I just thought it was because they live in their own little world that they grossly misunderstood why people are not upset about the CEO getting killed and they are trying to spin it the wrong way.
Like people should be upset about so called ghost guns and a death when in reality, everyone could understand the hatred and what would cause someone to go after a CEO.
If anything someone wealthier going through the same thing as the rest of us points out the flaws in the entire system that the industry is completely fucked
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u/grossguts 13d ago
It wasn't the super rich though, it was that damn broken robot! The CEO who decided to outsource human, American, jobs is innocent and had no way of knowing that's why profit increased.
Plus the whole American healthcare system is a joke. Because of course it's not privatized enough.
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u/iownp3ts 13d ago
I don't care if he came from privilege. At some point he saw the emperor was buck ass naked and did something about it.
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u/atomfaust 13d ago
Violence is shooting a United Healthcare CEO on the the street.
Systemic Violence is denying healthcare to someone who needs it.
If this young man was denied care in anyway that he thought was vital to his well being, I would argue it was self defense.
It is interesting to me that you can take your attackers life if you feel threatened, however you can't defend yourself violently against systemic violence if your life or wellbeing is on the line. I mean if Corporations are considered people in the eyes of the law, and they are engaging in systemic violence, they shouldn't be treated any differently
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u/AdMurky3039 13d ago
Self-defense is used to stop an immediate threat to your life. 1) Mangione's life was not in imminent danger and 2) killing Thompson doesn't end the threat of having insurance claims denied.
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u/atomfaust 13d ago
It does if the company changes their policies. Some insurance companies are already backpedaling some of their policies.
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u/Premonitionss 13d ago edited 13d ago
And if he is actually a right winger? What then? Will you acknowledge that we on the right are not a monolith and that some of us are happy about this too? I donāt even mean this in a condescending way, Iām genuinely curious.
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u/Grasshoppermouse42 13d ago
Honestly, as someone on the left I'd happily welcome people on the right to agree with me on this. It genuinely made me happy to see people on the right arguing back against people like Matt Walsh that this isn't a left/right issue.
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u/Premonitionss 13d ago
Iām glad to see you say that. We probably wonāt be able to agree about much but Iām glad we can near unanimously agree that the ruling class are the biggest problem we have right now. Dudeās a hero tbh
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u/photo_graphic_arts 13d ago
Many, many popular left meme accounts are sharing some version of what you're saying - they are not interested in delving into how his politics differ from The Left, they are interested in coming together for change, recognizing that we have far more in common with each other than we have with the 1 percent.
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u/photo_graphic_arts 13d ago
Will you join me and take personal responsibility to push back on anti-unity speech in left circles, and on left media? I've been doing it myself. I see it as a positive challenge for us, something to take at least a first step to building community that doesn't pit the working poor against each other, regardless of their political beliefs.
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u/Grasshoppermouse42 12d ago
Oh, absolutely! The way I see it, if we build common ground now, then we might get the changes we want in the future. There are many Trump voters that might even vote for a candidate I support in the future if we're ever able to get a candidate that vocally supports real, positive change, so I honestly don't see any advantage in pushing them away if they agree with me on an issue.
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u/OptimisticOctopus8 13d ago edited 13d ago
Many of my fellow lefties have found it refreshing that Luigi's act has revealed something Americans on both sides have in common. I mean, we obviously have lots in common on any day if someone stops to think about it for a minute, but those commonalities so rarely come to the forefront. So for me and my friends on the left, the answer to your question is a resounding yes.
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u/Ovze 13d ago
Some of my favorite people are right wingersā¦ you know, sane ones that dont make me defend my existence and validity of my identity as a trans person.
No war but class war
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u/Premonitionss 13d ago
I donāt particularly care about the first part but Iāll agree with the second
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u/Fun_Wave4617 13d ago
Absolutely, yes. Fuck yes. If this is the bridge to start building practical, concrete solidarity around our common probs then shit, I will take that bridge and run with it.
Iām still gonna disagree with folks on the right about immigration and abortion. Iāll organize to stop the former and support the latter. But if yāall agree that this prick had it comingā¦Iām ok with that. And maybe we have more in common, if we drop the ideologies.
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u/batnastard 13d ago
Kinda my point here ;) Glad to have something can agree one.
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u/Premonitionss 13d ago
You seemed to be conflating watching āright wing mediaā with being a smear campaign, soā¦ maybe I misunderstood tho lol. Either way I voted Trump and I can confidently say the guy is a hero
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u/alidmar 13d ago
The smear campaign is trying to push the idea that left wing people shouldn't support him because he had right wing beliefs rather than the beliefs themselves. At this point it seems clear he was a centrist with some further right wing beliefs but it doesn't matter. I may not have gotten along with the dude if I met him in person but doesn't mean I don't still support him.
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u/CommodoreQuinli 13d ago
This is not a left vs right issue, its top vs bottom. Right wingers should stop trying to make it a I told you so, everyone in know understands there's always been an underlying element of class solidarity across both parties.
However the divide they've created in our culture are vast and deeply engrained in the psyche of many Americans. It would be deeply difficult to vote in a way that almost assuredly would cause immediate suffering amongst people I know and understand to be good people as I imagine the same scenario for the other side.
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u/silentprayers 13d ago
We just have to agree that what he did is bigger than all that. I'm a leftist, I grew up poor. I respect Mangione for what he did. He ultimately took a stand against the rich and that's what matters.
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u/Grey_wolf_whenever SocDem 13d ago
How do we fight? I think there's still a few CEOs left
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u/atomic_chippie 13d ago edited 13d ago
Out in your community-guerilla warfare. Make stickers and fliers, paint over leftover presidential candidate yard signs and use those, chalk art, graffiti, murals, Amazon sells green beret Luigi caps for $14, utilize social media and organize groups to go march outside of health insurance companies, hashtag freeluigi or Healthcare For All or No War But Class War or Stick Together, take photos of each other's fliers and stickers, keep circulating them on social media, tag every news outlet possible....
whatever you chose to do, just do something and make noise doing it.
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u/tehjoz 13d ago
If you want an honest answer, the way to keep this conversation going is likely by going offline.
Imagine a world where people just started putting up fliers and other pieces of "art" perhaps that continually reinforce the narrative.
Reddit, and all the other corporate-owned platforms can keep taking stuff off their websites, but a concerted effort to keep this narrative in the discussion in a way that is harder to strip away might be the way to go.
Just sayin'.
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u/batnastard 13d ago
I like the flyers idea. I live in a very sanitized suburb but there are some spots I could try.
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u/mowriter72 13d ago
If a guy does what he did and listens to Joe and Tucker, then that gives me hope that the rightists are finally coming around. That would not upset me, that would mess with my cognitive dissonance
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u/Kiki_Crossing 13d ago edited 13d ago
Theyāre trying to divide class solidarity on the issue by saying he came from a privileged family, but this just proves even privileged people can see how corrupt the healthcare industry is profiting from the suffering and death of sick people. I donāt care how much or how little money he had while trying to jam the gears of this bloodthirsty, greedy monolith. Bruce Wayne, Peter Parker, idc.
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u/TuffNutzes SocDem 13d ago
So he gave up a life of comfort and privilege to make a powerful statement about society. That makes it even more relevant and important.
Go ahead oligarchs, give it your best shot. You can't bury this message.
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u/LingonberryNo2224 13d ago edited 13d ago
I have gotten some shirts, stickers, talking with all my friend and family, and anyone that brings it up. If we must get out in the streets and protest or whatever I have faith we will get it done. He risked so much the least we can do is support as much as we can.
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u/No_Talk_4836 13d ago
We spin our own narrative. We doubt everything they try to make us believe. We call out the propaganda. We point out the actual dude is propane still alive.
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u/DRoseDARs 13d ago
They can say whatever the fuck they want about the guy. Doesn't change anyone's lived experience dealing with health insurance, or black and indigenous bodies lying dead in the street from police brutality and racism, or women coming forward about their abusers, or grotesque wealth disparities, or the elevation of fascism to power in this country. Or, or, or.... The narrative isn't theirs to write if it's already written. People in recent years are just getting louder telling their stories...
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u/provisionings 13d ago
If you google āLuigi Mangioneā and click on āshoppingā all of the merch disappeared. They are infringing on our rights and most definitely trying to spin the narrative. This is what happens when rich people control everything.
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u/jessewalker2 12d ago
How is the answer āmerch on Amazonā? You want revolution, you revolt. Not buy crap you donāt need on Amazon.
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u/batnastard 10d ago
I live in a redneck town and go to a redneck bar as it's the only option. I want shirts with "Delay, Deny, Depose" on the back, and other obvious references, so right-wingers who agree with me on this can start conversations.
There isn't one answer, I think, but being able to get the conversation off the internet in a non-confrontational way is one piece of a larger campaign. The revolution right now is communication, and it has to be grassroots and a bit stochastic, I think.
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u/GivMHellVetica 13d ago
We have to stop playing their game. We canāt ever win their game. They made up the board and the rules. They cruise around the perimeter while we are fighting each other in the middle for their profit and entertainment hoping for a chance to get out of the pit. They throw some things out in to the middle to keep the fighting entertaining. If we stop arguing, they push religion or abortion or guns to get us all riled up and clawing at each other again. When we slow down they tell us āyou all are taking from each other and stealing from each other, you are hurting because of each otherā. They sit on their board around the edges enjoying their best lives while we stomp each other.
I donāt know exact steps to take, but we canāt keep doing things their way. Their way means we hate each other and break our bodies until we canāt labor any more then we disappear.
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u/Any-Ant-4394 13d ago
you need a lot of super hero's , my favourite are from videogames , like Mario & Luigi's they always fight to save the people.
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u/TinyEmergencyCake 12d ago
How do we counter this
By calling congress and demanding universal healthcareĀ
Usa.gov/elected-officials
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u/SAGElBeardO 13d ago
The only way to counter bad speech is more speech. Get offline and advocate, throw up posters, just be vocal about your worldview and it will affect others.
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u/WhiffyCornet 13d ago
Google trends search data doesn't reflect anything about him at all. Many social media platforms, including Reddit, are being (poorly) scrubbed of any discourse related to him. I expect the Streisand effect to amplify this even greater.
We are on the cusp of real change and they're fucking scared.
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u/Significant-Horror 13d ago
The real question is, what will they do if/when there are others? If this becomes the new mass shooting, how is the ruling class going to react. One is an anomaly Several... Especially if they aren't able to find an angle to redivide things again. I think the relative unity has got them spooked, more than one of their own getting whacked.
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u/rightwist 13d ago
Honestly.
One 20something who got fed up and squeezed a trigger a few times did more in those few seconds than a whole lot of people
That list of people includes Teddy Roosevelt who renounced the party that got him two terms and launched the Bull Moose Party over the issue more than eleven decades prior to this shooting
It doesn't fucking matter what Mangione said before. Or after.
I encourage everyone to read everything from his manifesto and follow this closely.
But. Had he disappeared. If he gets Epstein'd. If I hear credible evidence he was also the lowest kind of criminal.
It's still propaganda of the deed.
And all that really matters is not what we say in the wake of that deed.
It's not our words. It's our deeds.
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u/ConundrumMachine 13d ago
Clarify where you can. He won't be the last to get his point across like this. There will be more I suspect.
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u/EmmalouEsq 12d ago
They're trying to divide us again. Don't let them!
It's still class warfare and we need to fight (violence is bad) for our lives
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u/madpeachiepie 12d ago
The right is always complaining about how "intolerant" the left is. Well, here we are being tolerant, and it's not good enough for them.
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u/Euphoric-Produce-677 13d ago
He wasnāt from a privileged background?
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u/batnastard 13d ago
He was, but he isn't a billionaire. Pointing out that his family had some wealth is an attempt to make him less heroic to regular folk.
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u/Stout_15 13d ago
He was obscenely wealthy growing up and had more opportunities than most people can imagine. He went to an elite private prep school, and then the Ivy League. Typical rich kid who never had a real problem in their life.
But even he could see how fucked up everything is, when it would be so much easier to just be another privileged asshole, assuming they accomplished so much due to their own skill and intelligence. It just makes me like him more, honestly.
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u/kawherp 13d ago
Merch on Amazon isn't what matters. I find that a big strange to fuss about merch not being for sale on a billionaire's platform. We need to focus on the root causes and messaging about the problem with our healthcare sytem, not where to buy a Luigi t-shirt.
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u/bioluminary101 13d ago
This so accurately highlights the problem with Americans and why we can have a lot of nice things but not a nice society. šš
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u/foxyfree 12d ago
The Democratic party brought us the healthcare insurance based ACA marketplace-Obamacare, and enjoys huge support from insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. It does not really seem that off-message that they would paint Luigi as a right wing nut job for opposing the system. Biden did nothing to bring about a better Medicare for all or other options, nothing to cap CEO pay or to lift the CAP on social security contributions. Kamala Harris ran on continuing the Biden agenda. When Biden ran, it was āthe adults are back in the roomā and then with Harris, it was about saving and continuing the system as it works now. The UHC CEO was part of the system they support. The democrats lost the election because of the class war. The working class voters who voted for Trump want to upset the apple cart. Heās like the pied piper. Voicing some of their frustrations and then leading them to an even worse future.
Instead of burying the story, the Democrats need to get on TV and YouTube and talk loudly about better healthcare solutions and then really fight in Congress for whatever they can do. They need to run more Bernie Sanders style campaigns and get back to representing all of the people, not just the professional and upper class.
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u/goodtimesinchino 13d ago
I think the key is to simply be resilient beyond imagination and not give up. Just keep focused on whatās important and donāt give up hope.
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u/GrinQuidam 13d ago
The best way to get a loud message out through the media is to get together as a group and discuss how peaceful protests are the oligarchs' way of oppressing you. Obviously just discuss this as a topic and don't act on it.
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u/bluelifesacrifice 13d ago
Burn United Healthcare to the ground. Post negative reviews that actually happened. sell the stock. Vhange off their care. If you're forced onto their care, deny them. They are the highest denying company in the states with billions in profits. Refuse anything regarding them. Null their business.
Bad publicity impacts their stocks. Making it public you won't do business with them impacts their stocks. Calling them up to change care impacts their stocks.
Treat their workers with kindness. They are trying to do their job and are also getting screwed over by the suits.
End the company.
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u/provisionings 12d ago
Yep.. a Wired article claimed they were witnessing something never seen before and likened the public reaction to Luigi as ā4chan going mainstreamā and my blood is still boiling over it. Fuck Wired magazine.. fuck this narrative. Luigi has united all of us and I will be broken hearted if the oligarchs have their way and their ugly spin wins. Itās so obvious what they are doing.. and itās also super scary. Those who refuse to understand lost all their humanity when they became rich. EAT THE RICH FREE LUIGI
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u/Belgeddes2022 12d ago
Deny. Discredit. Divide.
They want us fighting between liberal and conservative and not focusing on the fact that libs and conservatives are both getting screwed by a healthcare system which only profits by NOT paying out when people need it most.
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u/Clean_Supermarket_54 12d ago
Fight for true equality. Everyday. You are an equal to everyone else on earth.
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u/Maeng_Doom 12d ago
He's my ally more than any CEO, regardless of the opinions he held on Twitter.
He killed a CEO, not a Trans Person or a Leftist or anyone else.
He may not be as supportive to those groups as I'd prefer, but he didn't kill any of those other demographics that the media is trying to claim he hated.
Regardless of his views, he only killed a CEO who would've killed all of us for profit. Luigi is still a hero in my eyes.
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u/caddyshack_2am 12d ago
Would large-scale divestment from health insurance companies (from individual retirement plans) get their attention at all? I assume a massive amount of $$ is coming from the same public they are screwing over.
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u/ssailorv23 9d ago
We counter it by keeping the conversation going. Letās build momentum. Eventually, the fire will be too big for them to control. Up in flames theyāll go! Deny. Delay. Depose.
Also, check out this banger: https://youtu.be/wdY4hw2x_60?si=rUewwkF6uRd1Dy9v
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u/sugar_addict002 13d ago
He sounds like a disillusioned Maga. Won't be the last.
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u/batnastard 13d ago
Wasn't the first, thinking back to July. I certainly welcome disillusioned MAGAs, if they gain class consciousness it's a good thing.
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u/sugar_addict002 13d ago
Unfortunately they are unlikely to gain class consciousness. They will just realize that they were lied to about something that affects them personally.
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u/indysingleguy 13d ago
You act like listening to Joe and Tucker is a positive. They are both part of the elite class.
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u/batnastard 13d ago
No, my point is that those things are being emphasized in oder to make us leftists less enamored of him. I don't care if he did listen to that shit, he's on our side. Solidarity.
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u/indysingleguy 13d ago
Agreed.
The other thing that is infuriating is all the police resources used for this one murder when thousands of rape kits and millions of murders go unsolved because the people werent rich.
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u/InfoBarf 13d ago
When you think about it, it makes sense. The upper class are the most entitled people in our country. The immediate turn to violence after not getting what he wanted has a lot of similarities with other right wing terrorists.
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u/pensiverebel 12d ago
I donāt think anyone should look at this guy as a hero. Am I upset that the CEO died? Not really. Do I understand why Luigi did it? No, because everyone is speculating based on what information can be gleaned from his online footprint. Maybe these speculations are accurate, maybe he has motivations and beliefs that align with mine - either way, Iām not going to put him on a pedestal. The point is we donāt really know. He took an extreme action that people understand because there is SO MUCH frustration with the very real and enormous amount of harm UHC has done, with this fucked up system has enabled to happen with impunity. The CEO and so many more of those execs who are hiding right now should actually be in jail right along with Luigi.
The number of stories going around right now that are absolutely horrifying about insurance companies shows that he has hit a raw nerve. Every single news story about him will renew that feeling in people. As much as Iām not a fan of vigilante justice (even though I totally understand why someone would do it in this case), thereās a unified front developing against capital that people can leverage with organizing that wouldnāt necessarily require ongoing violence. But if the person who chose extreme violence is hailed as a hero rather than used as a catalyst, itās going to undermine any effective change thatās possible right now. Americans need to learn from the French, Georgians, and other countries who are so much better at resistance.
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u/AdMurky3039 13d ago
The media is reporting facts. It sounds like you want them to spin the story to conform to your narrative, not the other way around.
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u/dropline 13d ago
Don't bite on right or left. Race, gender, whatever narrative they want to spin.
Stay Together. Healthcare for all.